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Hi grasper. IMO, OGA did their homework on ZV. Based on thread posts and my experience, there are only two expressions. One is a significant yielder and that's the one I kept. I want to make some f2s after the current run and DG's MM test. Thanks for stopping by.
grasper
Member
awesome, can't wait. thanks for the input. hey - i came across some older
pics where you ran ZV earlier i believe and were having a problem with leaves being
pale/lighter than usual.... curious if you found anything to correct this? was it a low PH problem because my i have a current plant that is looking the exact same.
let me know if you recall what i'm speaking of
pics where you ran ZV earlier i believe and were having a problem with leaves being
pale/lighter than usual.... curious if you found anything to correct this? was it a low PH problem because my i have a current plant that is looking the exact same.
let me know if you recall what i'm speaking of
grasper, I was using lucas 5/10 with no supplements. If it was due to something else, I haven't figured it out yet. I'm no expert but I don't think it was strain related. All the other growers in the test were very green
IME, I had an N def going into flower and a possible Mg def after ~3 weeks. I guess it's possible my pH was a little low and this might have contributed to Mg problems. Your plant shouldn't have any trouble absorbing N unless the soil is consistently moist and or the pH is below 5.5.
Now I use Floralicious Plus at 1 teaspoon per 5 gallons of water. I'm not an organic farmer and can't give you the correct details but FP has acids that help nute absorption.
When I used Flora and no supps, I could pretty much count on micro problems down the road whenever the runoff dipped below 6.4. With FP, I'm getting runoff as low as 6.0 with no visible signs of deficiency.
If FP isn't available, look for a micro with humic and/or fulvic acid like Liquid Karma.
IME, I had an N def going into flower and a possible Mg def after ~3 weeks. I guess it's possible my pH was a little low and this might have contributed to Mg problems. Your plant shouldn't have any trouble absorbing N unless the soil is consistently moist and or the pH is below 5.5.
Now I use Floralicious Plus at 1 teaspoon per 5 gallons of water. I'm not an organic farmer and can't give you the correct details but FP has acids that help nute absorption.
When I used Flora and no supps, I could pretty much count on micro problems down the road whenever the runoff dipped below 6.4. With FP, I'm getting runoff as low as 6.0 with no visible signs of deficiency.
If FP isn't available, look for a micro with humic and/or fulvic acid like Liquid Karma.
ghostsamurai25
New member
DiscoB, I must say that your grows are one of the best grows Ive seen, a real pleasure to read. You have me interested in the oga strains now, I checked out their site and saw a few interesting strains I might have to purchase, ZV being one of them.
I run a cab with a 150hps and veg/clone/mother in another two chamber cab.
Last run wasnt so great I ran an indica strain from a friend that was the biggest pain in the ass and only yielded 20g, not worth the time and energy. Before that I pulled over 2.5oz with 5 plants in solo 16oz cups
That was the best run to date, could of been better but I kept burning the damn things, it wasnt till this run that I figured it wasnt due to too much nutes but to ph drop that would cause lock outs and whatever else associated with a ph under 5. Now that I know things should be better, Im hoping to end the cycles with the plants as green as yours. Im organic with Botanicare and quanos, blood and bone meal and epsom salt worm castings, and molasses. Ill be following you for thread from now on.
I run a cab with a 150hps and veg/clone/mother in another two chamber cab.
Last run wasnt so great I ran an indica strain from a friend that was the biggest pain in the ass and only yielded 20g, not worth the time and energy. Before that I pulled over 2.5oz with 5 plants in solo 16oz cups
That was the best run to date, could of been better but I kept burning the damn things, it wasnt till this run that I figured it wasnt due to too much nutes but to ph drop that would cause lock outs and whatever else associated with a ph under 5. Now that I know things should be better, Im hoping to end the cycles with the plants as green as yours. Im organic with Botanicare and quanos, blood and bone meal and epsom salt worm castings, and molasses. Ill be following you for thread from now on.
I wish I could be some help but I've never grown organic. Is the under 5 pH reading runoff or feed? If it's runoff, adding more dolomitic lime will raise the pH. I would recommend pH up if your feed water is 5 but I don't know whether it's OMRI or not.
Hardwood ash is a good organic buffer. I'm not sure about amounts, it depends on the pH you start with.
I hear pH and organic farming isn't the issue it can be with salt fertilizer but don't know the specifics. I know that humic acid products like Liquid Karma will improve the window of absorption. I hesitate to recommend in your case because I don't know if it's organic.
It's good to have you along for some broader perspective. If you're considering more from OGA, I hear the Sour Puss is noteworthy.
Hardwood ash is a good organic buffer. I'm not sure about amounts, it depends on the pH you start with.
I hear pH and organic farming isn't the issue it can be with salt fertilizer but don't know the specifics. I know that humic acid products like Liquid Karma will improve the window of absorption. I hesitate to recommend in your case because I don't know if it's organic.
It's good to have you along for some broader perspective. If you're considering more from OGA, I hear the Sour Puss is noteworthy.
Hey boom, hope it's nice down there. Glad to hear you're gonna go viral on us, you'll love that stuff. Almost made a friend puke and she's a bigger fiend than me!
I've got a mess, guys. My plant is stretching under the screen and stretching the plastic up in the middle. This particular cross throws large "praying" fans and they cover the stacks. I'm hoping the stretch in the mid section of the plants trends toward the growth tips so I don't end up with a bush.
I'm not sure what to do at this point. I never worry over cut lower (even mid-level) fans on SOG plants. But I'm reluctant now as this is my first SCROG and 90% of the fans are at the screen and above.
I'm not too worried about light penetration because I have over 62 wpsf but all these fans may cut down on air circulation. The little circ fan is helped by the exhaust pulling air through the canopy. Temps aren't any higher, did my homework cutting all the trash fans underneath the screen throughout the grow.
I don't what to do at this point, leave the fans and see if the tips stretch through or start culling. I basically have 3 options:
don't trim
trim every other fan
trim only lowest fans (above the screen) and leave mid and top fans
I've seen a million threads over whether to cut fans, lol. Now I'm in he same boat. I'm open for info, let me know what you think.
I've got a mess, guys. My plant is stretching under the screen and stretching the plastic up in the middle. This particular cross throws large "praying" fans and they cover the stacks. I'm hoping the stretch in the mid section of the plants trends toward the growth tips so I don't end up with a bush.
I'm not sure what to do at this point. I never worry over cut lower (even mid-level) fans on SOG plants. But I'm reluctant now as this is my first SCROG and 90% of the fans are at the screen and above.
I'm not too worried about light penetration because I have over 62 wpsf but all these fans may cut down on air circulation. The little circ fan is helped by the exhaust pulling air through the canopy. Temps aren't any higher, did my homework cutting all the trash fans underneath the screen throughout the grow.
I don't what to do at this point, leave the fans and see if the tips stretch through or start culling. I basically have 3 options:
don't trim
trim every other fan
trim only lowest fans (above the screen) and leave mid and top fans
I've seen a million threads over whether to cut fans, lol. Now I'm in he same boat. I'm open for info, let me know what you think.
Hey DB I didn't realize this was your first scrog. Don't get freaked Bro. Over the course of a few days, cut out all fan leaves that you can't tuck under and are shading bud sites. There will be a LOT! Don't worry about it. Any fan leaves below the screen that are even slightly yellow from getting little or no light should also be removed.
Next time you plan a scrog, this is how you fix your screen problem. drill a hole through the bottom-center of your container, put an eye bolt through the hole, and tie a small rope to the the eye bolt. Transplant, and pull the rope up next to the main stem of your plant and when you're ready to scrog, tie it to the center of your screen.
I lean towards 1 plant/sq ft, and individual screens. Hence the "scoop away scrog" LOL
Hope that helps. Stay safe n stoned Bro
Next time you plan a scrog, this is how you fix your screen problem. drill a hole through the bottom-center of your container, put an eye bolt through the hole, and tie a small rope to the the eye bolt. Transplant, and pull the rope up next to the main stem of your plant and when you're ready to scrog, tie it to the center of your screen.
I lean towards 1 plant/sq ft, and individual screens. Hence the "scoop away scrog" LOL
Hope that helps. Stay safe n stoned Bro
Not much underneath to yellow but I'll keep that in mind. I'll also try the snip n tuck, thanks.
I wish I'd kept an estimate of how many fans I've removed. 3 to 4 days later and another batch goes. I'd estimate 5 to 6 inches of growth above the screen, almost 84 squares of tips and many squares with multiple tips. I bet I could chop a couple hundred fans over a week, easy. I'll try not to get too carried away, lol.
That helps a bunch. I pressed down on the top to see if it would compress a little, was gonna tie it down but the trunk and main stems laughed out loud. Way too strong to budge and I don't want to mess up and break anything. Thanks again.Next time you plan a scrog, this is how you fix your screen problem. drill a hole through the bottom-center of your container, put an eye bolt through the hole, and tie a small rope to the the eye bolt. Transplant, and pull the rope up next to the main stem of your plant and when you're ready to scrog, tie it to the center of your screen.
I lean towards 1 plant/sq ft, and individual screens. Hence the "scoop away scrog" LOL
Hope that helps. Stay safe n stoned Bro
I'll get a couple pics up tonight, starting 3rd week in flower.
Good, Like I said, don't get freaked by how much greenery you keep taking out of your flower room. LOL. You can also just trim the fans down like you do when you clone. Yeah, it's way to late try to anchor your plant down now. I forget who taught me that trick.
On a side note, just received testers from Dutchgrown Seeds. Merlin's Magic (Acapulco Gold x C99.) They'll be posted in Dutchgrown's thread, I'll leave a link in my signature if anybody wants to check 'em out. The thread has to be approved but here's the link.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/newthread.php?do=postthread&f=65645
The thread has to be approved but here's the link.http://www.icmag.com/ic/newthread.php?do=postthread&f=65645
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Hello, Che. Me too, buddy. 
Thanks, vintner. Now I feel safer.
Thanks grasper, I just hope it doesn't take forever to finish. I'll probably go back to bottle sog for the test grow. That way I can throw in some early finishers and avoid the compulsion to snip a few immature buds.
Update - Day 15 - 12/12
Update - Day 15 - 12/12
Alright, here's what I started with.
The last shot here is minus 50 fans. I trimmed up the perimeter and thinned the largest and most crowded fans. Doesn't look much different except the outside edges. I'll probably wait another 4 to 5 days before I take more.
I threw the pile fans in the disposal and clogged it pretty good. Reefer leaves stared flowing up through the other sink drain, lol. Had to get a plunger to unclog the disposal. Didn't dawn on me that the fiber would be tougher to chop than typical greens.
Thanks for checking me out.
Update - Day 15 - 12/12
Alright, here's what I started with.
The last shot here is minus 50 fans. I trimmed up the perimeter and thinned the largest and most crowded fans. Doesn't look much different except the outside edges. I'll probably wait another 4 to 5 days before I take more.
I threw the pile fans in the disposal and clogged it pretty good. Reefer leaves stared flowing up through the other sink drain, lol. Had to get a plunger to unclog the disposal. Didn't dawn on me that the fiber would be tougher to chop than typical greens.
Thanks for checking me out.
Damn bro, looking green and beautiful, you reckon she is going to stretch alot upwards?? She has filled out that screen nicely mate, very full, I think what you are doing so far with the excess fans is fine, it's exactly what I would be doing 
ya got to get the light to those lower branches somehow. Those under the canopy shots are awesome, those trunks remind me of the big curtain fig trees back where I used to live in the tropics. 
Peace.
ya got to get the light to those lower branches somehow. Those under the canopy shots are awesome, those trunks remind me of the big curtain fig trees back where I used to live in the tropics. Peace.
Wow, thanks boom! Thanks again for weighing in on the fans. Most of the remaining fans are at the tops of the shoots.
Not sure about the stretch. I've had 6" veg plants (same cross) stretch as much as 4x but I believe it's because the plant's weren't close enough to the light and maybe other operator factors. Best I remember this thing stretches in week 3 as well, maybe it'll get longer tops.
I love the large stems but hope the shoot (stems) don't get too fat, will be hard to get an accurate weight at the end. I'll probably weigh the budlets whole and chop the mush from the stems completely.
I'm gonna venture a guess for shits and giggles:
3.5 ounces of dry, manicured bud and an ounce (maybe more) of mush. That sets the bar pretty high for me so we'll see if I can manage. Thanks for the info and good to see you again.
Not sure about the stretch. I've had 6" veg plants (same cross) stretch as much as 4x but I believe it's because the plant's weren't close enough to the light and maybe other operator factors. Best I remember this thing stretches in week 3 as well, maybe it'll get longer tops.
I love the large stems but hope the shoot (stems) don't get too fat, will be hard to get an accurate weight at the end. I'll probably weigh the budlets whole and chop the mush from the stems completely.
I'm gonna venture a guess for shits and giggles:
3.5 ounces of dry, manicured bud and an ounce (maybe more) of mush. That sets the bar pretty high for me so we'll see if I can manage. Thanks for the info and good to see you again.
