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MoldyFrogToe
nicce hmk!
ParadigmShift
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susantidad
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MoldyFrogToe
Is it just me or is calling a ti pad a vape a little misleading?
I guess you could consider it a vape if you kept the pad around the right temp but no one really does that, ppl like their oil to combust
By those standards a joint is a vape too..
I guess you could consider it a vape if you kept the pad around the right temp but no one really does that, ppl like their oil to combust
By those standards a joint is a vape too..
people like their oil to combust? im not sure which people you know,. sounds feaky.
the smaller a joint, the more material that is vaporized in its combustion, but the ratio is very small. several factors i dont have time to go into right now indicate that the hot knifing style of toking, especially if the pad is left to cool, gives a vapor percentage of close to 90% or greater.
the smaller a joint, the more material that is vaporized in its combustion, but the ratio is very small. several factors i dont have time to go into right now indicate that the hot knifing style of toking, especially if the pad is left to cool, gives a vapor percentage of close to 90% or greater.
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MoldyFrogToe
Far as I can tell ti pads/hot knifing is a form of combustion
I need to follow people around with a thermocouple on their pad to see and record though.
My feeling is that if we left a pad to 400F or so we'd see a big residual puddle of oil remnants
Most people I see try to avoid that and aim to have no glistening puddle of residual oil, that's what I was getting at I suppose
To do this you need to combust, even if low level smoldering it's still not quite vaping, I'd say.
Anyways, the thermocouple needs batteries, so I can't say much more.
It'd be nice to take some pics of someone taking oil dabs @ diff temps and record the process
We could see the smoke/vape plume and how it differs, as well as residual leftovers
And if you're bored:
That being said, howd you get the 90% figure, a guestimate?
Also would be interested in your thoughts on what you think is a common level of 'residual oil'on your pad after hitting it.
It must vary from strain to strain and hit size but...if those are kept constant.....
And, have you measured temps of your pads before using them? What's your preferred temp or range of temps, if so?
Later!
I need to follow people around with a thermocouple on their pad to see and record though.
My feeling is that if we left a pad to 400F or so we'd see a big residual puddle of oil remnants
Most people I see try to avoid that and aim to have no glistening puddle of residual oil, that's what I was getting at I suppose
To do this you need to combust, even if low level smoldering it's still not quite vaping, I'd say.
Anyways, the thermocouple needs batteries, so I can't say much more.
It'd be nice to take some pics of someone taking oil dabs @ diff temps and record the process
We could see the smoke/vape plume and how it differs, as well as residual leftovers
And if you're bored:
That being said, howd you get the 90% figure, a guestimate?
Also would be interested in your thoughts on what you think is a common level of 'residual oil'on your pad after hitting it.
It must vary from strain to strain and hit size but...if those are kept constant.....
And, have you measured temps of your pads before using them? What's your preferred temp or range of temps, if so?
Later!
my extensive testing indicates otherwise. feel free to do your own research, i am satisfied for myself.
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MoldyFrogToe
Wasn't trying to offend you or anything, just not satisfied with dubbing this oil use as vaporization.
I'll take some aftermath pics of a 400F ti pad, never really broke out the thermocouple on these things, should be interesting.
Peace
never said i was offended, just said that i didn't agree 
i think you need to test the temperature of the oil being cooked actually, as opposed to the titanium temperature. they wont be the same. as the oil is applied to the pad its cooled on contact, and also the airflow cools the oil as well as it is being vaporized. i know if i pull very gently on an oil hit its hotter feeling than pulling much more rapidly, with more airflow added to the oil as its vaporized.
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MoldyFrogToe
It's all good :thumbup:never said i was offended, just said that i didn't agree
True, I was considering the effects of this to be negligible considering the oil is such a small mass.
Kind of like assuming STP conditions with no friction in a perfect world. =P
Who knows though. Wish I had access to the toolshed of NASA or something.
The real problem I've noticed is the time it takes for the mass of the thermocouple tip to equilibrate with whatever temp it's surrounded by but this too becomes relatively negligible, however only after you get it heated up somewhat before using it....because that ti pad does cool down quickly...any time lost is error ontop of the error that can't be avoided as it is! Ah, o well. Later!
hellinahilux
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since i dont have a hmk unit but i have used glass on glass or hotknife to do my oil... and you can tell by the taste that its vapor not smoke..
the vape is just a creammy hit that explodes in your lungs... i can get these hits with my herbal aire too... you know that kinda that you need to be sitting down cause you know your bell is about to get rung.....
i have one of hoise things where you point it at something and it tells you the temp.. even though the ti paid is blazing hot the oil will cool it instantly and the oil wouldnt be the exact temp as your glowing ti as its sucking the heat from the ti and the ti is such a good conductor. which is why i assume we use ti instead of just sheet metal or iron..
if you smoke just oil in a clean pipe... say on some ashes.. you can taste more of the smoke in it then a hot knife...
the vape is just a creammy hit that explodes in your lungs... i can get these hits with my herbal aire too... you know that kinda that you need to be sitting down cause you know your bell is about to get rung.....
i have one of hoise things where you point it at something and it tells you the temp.. even though the ti paid is blazing hot the oil will cool it instantly and the oil wouldnt be the exact temp as your glowing ti as its sucking the heat from the ti and the ti is such a good conductor. which is why i assume we use ti instead of just sheet metal or iron..
if you smoke just oil in a clean pipe... say on some ashes.. you can taste more of the smoke in it then a hot knife...
"Combustion or burning is the sequence of exothermic chemical reactions between a fuel and an oxidant accompanied by the production of heat and conversion of chemical species"
You can't call it combustion and without splitting hairs HMK's technique leans more towards vaporizing because there is no direct flame. Now true vaporizing would be using hot air....like when I smoke my oil from a volcano. That being said I don't see why you can't call heating a Ti pad vaporizing.
You can't call it combustion and without splitting hairs HMK's technique leans more towards vaporizing because there is no direct flame. Now true vaporizing would be using hot air....like when I smoke my oil from a volcano. That being said I don't see why you can't call heating a Ti pad vaporizing.
hellinahilux
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gimme a hmk over a volcano for extract anyday!
yeah and there is no carbon in the resin that is in the gong bell..just oil... so i would assume if vapes very clean to prodouce clean oil from just he vapor..much like my herbal aire gets plugged with gooey honey oil type resin mmmmmwhile a normal pipe i use a flame with the resin is black with carbon
yeah and there is no carbon in the resin that is in the gong bell..just oil... so i would assume if vapes very clean to prodouce clean oil from just he vapor..much like my herbal aire gets plugged with gooey honey oil type resin mmmmmwhile a normal pipe i use a flame with the resin is black with carbon
good point, i never really thought of that.
kushkid420
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If you're looking for authenticity, get the kutpipe.
If you're looking to vape some oil, get the curve+Ti pad or a globe and attach it to your bong or bubbler.
It's amazing how wild people get over pictures of glass. Just because it's not a kutpipe doesn't mean it's something made in India by some 9 year old. No offence, but some people need to get a life.
If you're looking to vape some oil, get the curve+Ti pad or a globe and attach it to your bong or bubbler.
It's amazing how wild people get over pictures of glass. Just because it's not a kutpipe doesn't mean it's something made in India by some 9 year old. No offence, but some people need to get a life.
watching the vids got me thinking... these guys are all using torch lighters that can get above 2000 degrees fahrenheit, and they are holding it directly against a piece of metal for minutes at a time and putting the oil directly on the metal... wouldnt that make the oil burn hotter than just using a plain old lighter?
edit* im not saying this product isnt capable of or designed for vaporizing, im just observing ppl using it on youtube and wondering if they are using it right.
edit* im not saying this product isnt capable of or designed for vaporizing, im just observing ppl using it on youtube and wondering if they are using it right.
hellinahilux
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yeah ti cools quickly so getting it cherry hot is so you have enough time to do a huge hit... i havent gotten my hands on a setup yet but i imagine you could maybe even do 2 quick tokes.. but ti gets rid of heat well which is why its used in car parts and heat sinks and electronics
