Legendary cross made by mistake?

[JackSkellington]

whats mss and dnl stand for..

 

[chron conoiseur]

mss stands for massachusettes super skunk, forgot what DNL is

 

[TickleMyBalls]

uh yeah, I'd say any strain that goes on to be used in a massive breeding project and subsequently becomes a "hot" strain and strain of the year for high times, is a pretty special mistake. Sour Diesel takes it. I have the original clone and it's a gem.

 

[englishrick]

DNL = [Hawian x NL].........from what ive read

yeh man,,,,,,,imo, ECSD is a prime example of how FemOutcrosses are AMAZING,,,,,even a fugin accidental FemOutcross makes it to the topspot

FFA was deliberate an look at that,,,,same deal ,

FemOutcrosses are the beez kneez

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

Yet a other exemple on how mistake crosses can be powerfull!!!!!

Thx for the kind words everybody.

Starbud is a clone selected by us from a seed line we recieved from a private grower from the mid west USA. The exact make up is a mystery.

After having grown out 100s of seeds and clones from the Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, Denmark, Canada and also the USA (and a few other countries as well) we knew the "Starbud" is a winner.
This was confirmed by the judges at the 420 Cup as well as the judges from the "Berkley Patients Group" at the 22nd HTCC.

Personally I would describe the taste of the Starbud as a bit hashy, the smell as a more subtle sweet dankness which still reeks and has that "wow" effect for most people who get a whiff.

Please be aware that the person we received the "seedline" from, by NO means is a private breeder but a private grower who has been supplying himself and a small group of friends for a long time.

An accidental pollination from an overlooked male in his room (actually a modified shipping container), resulted in the seeds, we received and selected the "Starbud" from.

Currently we at HortiLab are working on a new batch of feminized seeds of the award winning clone, as well as a regular BX.

 

[EvilTwin]

Seems like both professional and private "mistakes" are of interest...

I'm growing out a few seeds that were an accident from pollinating it's neighbor. AfghanxC-99 They look vigorous and interesting with two different phenos. Vegging right now so won't know the end results for awhile. Kinda fun though...
ET

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^ nature doesnt make mistakes. the thinks these accidental crosses are just great. lol

 

[Hammerhead]

I thought BOG made Sour Bubble by accident. I believe I read that in one of his older threads.

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

^ nature doesnt make mistakes. the thinks these accidental crosses are just great. lol

Nature don't but grower/breeders do make mistake from their original plans, i never see this that way, interesting.

I thought BOG made Sour Bubble by accident. I believe I read that in one of his older threads.

I think u are exactly right hammer. I remember reading this somewhere, not to mention that sour bubble is his best strain!

 

[EvilTwin]

Nature don't but grower/breeders do make mistake from their original plans, i never see this that way, interesting.

Hey wait Lambs-bread...
Aren't WE part of nature too? lol

Hash, I think they're great too and have high hopes...
Cheers,
ET

 

[bombadil.360]

once it was real high and i got some peanut butter on my chocolate bar and the rest was history....

That worked out better than the time i put cheese on some donuts. really its not that bad.

if it is a strawberry jelly donut with cheese it would taste pretty good for sure.

 

[Dödsknark]

I may be way off here but wasn't the start of C99 a mistake?

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

Hey wait Lambs-bread...
Aren't WE part of nature too? lol

Hash, I think they're great too and have high hopes...
Cheers,
ET

ahah, yes we are a PART OF nature but not nature it self?!?
I dont know if that make sense lol

I may be way off here but wasn't the start of C99 a mistake?

Frankly i don't know
I'd like someone to confirm this one...
Is it bubba kush or OGkush a mistake cross too? not sure just wondering.?..

 

[Dödsknark]

I search for the thread about the origins of c99 but haven't found it yet.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

I search for the thread about the origins of c99 but haven't found it yet.

dude you are way off. c99 was a very intensive multi generation breeding project..

~*~The Cinderella Story ~*~

Princess is a female which resulted from a seed found in a Jack Herer bud I bought in Amsterdam near the Sensi Seed Bank at Coffeeshop Sensi Smile". The bud came in a 2 gr. Cello-pack with the Sensi logo; I expected sinsemilla, but it had about 10 seeds so I assume she's an F2 JH.

Her characteristics were so fine I wanted to create seeds that would "replicate" this plant. She has the KILLER Haze-influenced high with the most DELICIOUS pineapple/evil scent, 50 day maturation in 12/12, and incredible resin production, doesn't stretch - yet clearly Sativa-dominant! Last but not least: Never a hint of hermaphrodism after 2 years of cloning & many different styles of grow.

I wanted to "cube" Princess but add a little beef to her branches because the buds were always too heavy at harvest and branches needed staking to keep from flopping over. I crossed my ShivaSkunk female with one of the males from the same group of seeds that Princess came from.

THIS cross produced a male which was then crossed to Princess, creating "P.50" (using a shorthand notation I developed to indicate the fraction of Princess genes in the cross).

Each generation is the result of crossing a male from the previous generation to Princess herself (incestuous, I know).
Blow-by-blow description of the generations:

P.50 = Heavy, single-cola type plants with mellow high (too much influence from the ShivaSkunk) Sweet fruity scent/flavor. Unstable in most traits - for example, 10 days difference in fastest/slowest maturation period in a group of 20 seedlings.

P.75 = Plants leaning MUCH more in the direction of Princess in floral cluster and bud structure, scent/flavor turned more "tropical" like pineapple. The stability was becoming better - two major phenotypes; short & dense (potent too) or tall/HUGE (Not so potent).

P.88 = Renamed Cinderella 88 when first released on the market. It grows fast and produces excellent yields of FROSTY buds in 7 weeks! Generally uniform seedlings with minor differences in floral formation and some height variance, but the smoke is quite consistent from all plants - Dense, heavy nuggets of fruity scented & flavored (like wild berries) and covered in resin glands, the dried buds have distinctly ORANGE pistils.

And now P.94 = Cinderella 99. This project has been a huge success. The strain has been embraced by the "net"work of growers with rave reviews.

The Bros. Grimm too have been recognized for their excellent combination of quality products and unparalleled service after the sale. There's NO OTHER seed bank that has it's breeders on the net answering questions from "newbies" 40 hours/week, and the info is first-rate; even details of their breeding strategies are openly discussed so that the seed buyer can feel well-informed about the products BG offer.

I personally think the plants these Cinderella 99 seeds produce are every bit as good as a cutting from Princess herself (or better). I say better because the flavor of no two plants is "identical"; there's a personality to all living things. Like Princess herself, Cinderella is sweet & fruity to the palette and nose, and when you take a hit you're BLASTED...with the same "racy" high as Princess!
The improvement comes in the yield department; 25% greater yield and a stronger branch structure, which I accomplished by starting with some ShivaSkunk genes in the original father in the cubing process. I knew I'd blend out the majority of the traits from ShivaSkunk in the cubing process, but I was hoping to incorporate the ShivaSkunk's stronger branches because Princess had a tendency to need supports in the final two weeks of flowering. As it turns out, I got lucky and it worked. The name suits the strain IMO - it's a true Cinderella Story. - MrSoul




C99 is has more of the Haze type of high because the mother (Princess), has that kind of high and each time I back-cross to her the next generation gets a bit more of it. Smoking PURE Princess buds is a bit scary...it's too "speedy" and paranoia-inducing for most people. But she's so RESINOUS (see photo) and her flavour is just so delicious and fruity that I knew back-crossing her to her offspring over several generations would create a strain which is actually BETTER than the original mother in terms of a more PLEASING high. It was successful beyond my expectations.

The progression I went through was:

P.50 = Princess/(ShivaSkunk/Princess'Brother)
P.75 = Princess/P.50
Cinderella 88 = Princess/P.75
Cinderella 99 = Princess/Cinderella 88

Each generation exhibited a MAJOR jump in potency (P.50 was rather mellow)...P.75 has a well-balanced body/mind high with a citrus flavour, Cinderella 88 is cerebral & paralyzing with a tropical fruit flavour, and Cinderella 99 is "TRIP WEED"...with more of the fruity flavour and speedy effect from Princess. - MrSoul

 

[Dödsknark]

Thanks for clearing that up Tickle. Had a feeling I was off there. Hmmm... Then what strain was it...? I'll figure it out.

 

[kopite]

I thought Breeder Steve specifically used his ST#2 male and crossed it to a 30 yr old Cali Ortega...jay

just for clarity

LUI is a mostly indica variety derived from BC and Californian genetics, and was first produced in Switzerland as a collaborative effort between Red of Legends Seeds and Breeder Steve of Spice of Life Seeds. Red had been in Switzerland for a few months, working with Steve in the greenhouses and designing the SOL indoor-breeding facility where the latest version of Sweet Tooth was being produced. An especially resinous male had been chosen from the second generation of the ongoing backcross project to the famous BC indica Grapefruit. This study’s goal was to father the third backcross population, to be known as Sweet Tooth #3. There happened to be some unused space near one end of the expansive flowering room, and Red suggested filling the unused lighted area with the extra Ortega plants hanging around the vegetative room, in an attempt to hybridize his two favorite indicas. Ortega was a California indica clone brought to Switzerland by an old grow guru, and it had found a special place in the hearts and lungs of all those working at the SOL factory.

When the seed crop was harvested, Red flew back to BC and immediately set about starting some of these new seeds. He and the crew popped 100 beans to get a look at what variation had come from the test cross. He gave away hundreds of them to his loyal customers, eager to get unbiased feedback on this new line. Everybody’s results were the same: This was one beefy lady. Growers consistently found huge top colas of dense, frosty lime-green nuggets. Whether grown in soil or hydroponics, in Sea of Green gardens or larger tree-style grows, everybody seemed to have the same extravagantly yieldy results.

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