California Bill AB 390 possible problem

[pSi007]

Many medical clubs make over a million dollars a month. That is a buisness that you can start now.

ya i`ve been to blue sky and i`ve seen what they make in one day. what happens off the books looks like washing money to me. take a note......






dont fux us all, we want to smoke in peace and be part of the world. we want to be legal and smoke in peace.




I fucking, smoke cannabis!!!! I want to be legal.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

I want it to be legal too.

oh ya another way to give free bud to med patients is by making your own strains and dontaing the different generations of test buds.

You know how there is the world stock exchange? Well I want to make the world strain exchange. Where I would as many credibly identifed strains as possible. make mothers, and spread genetics. It would be cool to start a service where you desing a strain for the patient over a period of time. A custom medicine.

 

[antimatter]

The quality won't be lacking, the strains that are grown in big fields will be genetically modified so your gonna be looking at frost resistant, mold resistant, low fertilizer requirements, potent, auto flowering, fast flowering all in one plant.. and stable seeds, there will be no need for mothers or any of our childish breeding.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

The quality won't be lacking, the strains that are grown in big fields will be genetically modified so your gonna be looking at frost resistant, mold resistant, low fertilizer requirements, potent, auto flowering, fast flowering all in one plant.. and stable seeds, there will be no need for mothers or any of our childish breeding.

The strain might be good, but a lot of care and effort has to go into maintaning healthy palnts. protecting them from spider mites, and other predators.

Then comes the time it takes to get a good manicure, proper dry and cure. You can't brick it up. plus you cant just grow mass ammounts and store it away. THC starts to degrade after 6 months. this gives you about 4 month window to sell your product. Good pot comes from the care put into it. Gentics can only do so much. It works both ways. No matter how well I take care of shwag seeds that I grow out I cant get it to be as good as newer pro bred strains

Some big corporations will lose lot of money learning this the hard way. Some will hire experienced good growers like many ic'magers and learn from the already pros. If they are willing to that I'll work with them.

 

[mj82]

I'm not so sure big buisness would take over since its still illegal federally. I doubt most big corporations are willing to go to prison if it's only california that has it legalized.

I think it would be more like amsterdamn is now and how the medical scene is right now in cali.

 

[antimatter]

The strain might be good, but a lot of care and effort has to go into maintaning healthy palnts. protecting them from spider mites, and other predators.

Then comes the time it takes to get a good manicure, proper dry and cure. You can't brick it up. plus you cant just grow mass ammounts and store it away. THC starts to degrade after 6 months. this gives you about 4 month window to sell your product. Good pot comes from the care put into it. Gentics can only do so much. It works both ways. No matter how well I take care of shwag seeds that I grow out I cant get it to be as good as newer pro bred strains

Some big corporations will lose lot of money learning this the hard way. Some will hire experienced good growers like many ic'magers and learn from the already pros. If they are willing to that I'll work with them.

Pest resistance wont be an issue, its crazy the stuff they can do these days when they genetically modify plants. Drying/Curing will not be a problem, you can't think that there gonna dry and cure with jars, there's going to be facilitys built just for drying and curing and everything will be done in the perfect environment with perfect settings, we send people into space, drying and curing.... There will be expiry dates for obvious reasons

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Pest resistance wont be an issue, its crazy the stuff they can do these days when they genetically modify plants. Drying/Curing will not be a problem, you can't think that there gonna dry and cure with jars, there's going to be facilitys built just for drying and curing and everything will be done in the perfect environment with perfect settings, we send people into space, drying and curing.... There will be expiry dates for obvious reasons

You make good points, but the more they make it like a car factory the more quality goes down.

Look at organic food grown locally for famers markets, and look at what you get at big chains. The difference is drastic. Tomatoes are a great example. You can grow the same strain and have totally differnt results.

An example with pot is the guys that grow huge colas out of 20oz coke bottles. It is carfully maintained. they dont just let it go crazy.

After a while they might be able to invent machines that are smart enough to do a connessuir manicure, but they dont have it yet. everthing that NASA uses is invented by individuals who are usually rocket scientist and enginiers that went to like M.I.T. It takes them a while to think these things up and build them.

 

[antimatter]

You make good points, but the more they make it like a car factory the more quality goes down.

Look at organic food grown locally for famers markets, and look at what you get at big chains. The difference is drastic. Tomatoes are a great example. You can grow the same strain and have totally different results.

An example with pot is the guys that grow huge colas out of 20oz coke bottles. It is carfully maintained. they don't just let it go crazy.

After a while they might be able to invent machines that are smart enough to do a connoisseur manicure, but they dont have it yet. everthing that NASA uses is invented by individuals who are usually rocket scientist and enginiers that went to like M.I.T. It takes them a while to think these things up and build them.

Its always true in any industry that people growing organically are gonna produce better food, but if you think that the commercial market is already filled with chemically grown pot thats not flushed properly, not to many people grow organic pot in massive amounts. I think the biggest problem is going to be producing Sensimilla pot and not seeded maybe they will spray the plants with something to make pollen infertile I do not know, female seeds can be made fairly stable but if your talking hectares of pot theres gonna be a few strays but is that gonna be enough to ruin the entire crop I do not know, maybe there will be a big hash industry who knows. There will probably be a big corporate industry and a smaller connoisseur industry of growers to satisfy everyone.

 

[Thundurkel]

If the feds dont legalize for five to ten years from now then that gives us all time enough to take adavtage of the new "no limit" on medical plants. Then if the bill passes, california will turn into amsterdam of the west coast basically. We will all make enough money to start our own big (and ethical) corporations by then.

That way we can enforce quality control. and still help med patients for free.

Can you show proof of the new "No limit" on medical plants please?? That's news to me and as a HD SOG grower that is something very interesting to for me to find out... Thanks in advance

 

[stickyicky213]

nice bill. can't wait. however, unless i read it incorrectly, which i'm pretty sure i didn't, even if it passes now it won't be "activated" in a sense until the fed's get rid of their crazy rules. until then i'm glad i'm here in CA anyway

 

[stickyicky213]

Large scale cannabis dealers are part of the faction who disagree with prop 390.

They disagree because it will industrialize marijuana. Through the industrial and legalization of marijuana, the prices of cannabis will drop. For the illegal immigrants, gangs, and criminals who depend on selling hard and soft drugs, this bill will cause loss of the the enormous income they receive due to high prices of cannabis.




get this fucking money out of the hands of these worthless criminals and mexican gangs-bangers, DECRIMINALIZE NOW!!!!!!

i think quite a few people think the market would drop, and quite frankly as a grower and co-op myself, i hope it does. i try to provide meds as cheap as possible but until i'm able to grow just tons of LBs a month i won't be as cheap as i want. however, atm, i am a lot cheaper than most other places.

anyway what i was going to say was that there needs to be a state minimum price like many states do with alcohol imo, but it SHOULD NOT be the crazy prices that other co-ops are charging now (400+ an oz, and anything over 50 an 1/8 is absurd imo!).


however, i think that the man who introduced the bill will see this, if he hasn't already. they want the industry to be very, very big. they want 50 bucks an oz tax which means the prices will have to stay reasonably high. for general use i would guess/hope they hover around 200-300 oz but no lower than 200 and then let the stores decide if they have included the 50 bucks in their price or they tack it on after. personally, i would include it in my price of 200 or 250 or whatever.

 

[pSi007]

I grow 6 plants and to grow those plants I spend $100 bought from our wonderful, PG & E. The nutes are about $5 per grow, nothing else I can think of. My seeds or clones are usually gifts.



Anyway, I take $105 and turn that into something near 400grams.


Thats $1 per eight of ganja. Now, think how many assfuxn`-bastards are going to try to make 1million dollars this way. I dont like that idea. Its funner to grow my own and share it with my friends instead buying some over-the-counter like a pack of cigarettes. If this bill reduces the risk to small growers and smokers, then I say PASS!!!!!!

 

[Hydro-Soil]

The only other possible explanation I can see would be if the key word is "enforce" -- that you could grow and sell commercially, but the state would not enforce the laws governing those activities. Like there would be no regulation or taxation. And that makes no sense.

The whole point is that any business in California would be paying taxes to California.

After only one year, California will be able to point to the books and say. HAH! We just pulled in 3 trillion dollars last year in taxes and you, THE FEDS didn't make a dime. NOW will you legalize and tax it?

You really have to club the govt over the head with an overabundance of evidence for them to say "Gee, maybe we're wrong about this."

 

[stickyicky213]

I grow 6 plants and to grow those plants I spend $100 bought from our wonderful, PG & E. The nutes are about $5 per grow, nothing else I can think of. My seeds or clones are usually gifts.



Anyway, I take $105 and turn that into something near 400grams.


Thats $1 per eight of ganja. Now, think how many assfuxn`-bastards are going to try to make 1million dollars this way. I dont like that idea. Its funner to grow my own and share it with my friends instead buying some over-the-counter like a pack of cigarettes. If this bill reduces the risk to small growers and smokers, then I say PASS!!!!!!

5 bucks in nutes, what are you using miracle grow?!?!

 

[pSi007]

Kool Bloom, usually. $25 per 5 lbs.
GH grow nutes for veg, $15 per 5 lbs..


you like that? 1 dollar per eight.. an ounce of ganja for less than $10. hahahahahaahah

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

I'm not so sure big buisness would take over since its still illegal federally. I doubt most big corporations are willing to go to prison if it's only california that has it legalized.

I think it would be more like amsterdamn is now and how the medical scene is right now in cali.

Thats what im saying man.

Oh ya.... that part about it not being acted upon till federal compliance that is just in there to help it pass. It would be like medical pot where everyone just ignores the feds due to the their lack of recources to enforce it.