LED GROW TEST. 126W hydro grow led VS. 180W pro source LED LIGHT

[Capital G]

If you can show me more than either one of these two who are unhappy with their grows, please bring it to my attention.

These individuals account for 2 testers in a sea of hundreds. We have tons of repeat customers, and the biggest majority of people growing with our product online express their happiness with our products. Most of them rate our products very high and would never go back to HID growing. On the whole though, the VAST majority of our customers are happy and posting good reviews. Please don't overlook the hoards of happy journals because of 1 that was inconclusive, or 1 pissed off customer who doesn't like to follow our policies.

As far as a 600W panel, no we do not have one planned soon. We have our 205W that was just released, and we are currently arranging another version of the same panel using 336W. When used within their recommended coverage areas, the 205W will supply about 33W per square foot, and the 336W will supply about 54W per square foot. We've produced plenty of coke-sized colas and larger using 50W per square foot of LED, as can be seen in our 1512W grow, or the 504W grow my friend did.

i really don't care about people's opinions i try and look at the facts. this same thread on another forum is a lot different. anyway, do you have a projected release for the higher watt units you referenced, i.e. third quarter, fourth? a credible high watt unit would definitely get hid growers that grow for volume attention.

 

[Black Thumb]

here are some pics the day before 8 weeks.

That is a whole lot of leaf and branching.
Is this Led driven or your strain?

In these pictures it looks like a plant flowering in its 3rd or 4th week.
Did something happen?

 

[irishboy]

That is a whole lot of leaf and branching.
Is this Led driven or your strain?

In these pictures it looks like a plant flowering in its 3rd or 4th week.
Did something happen?

i am guessing its the strain? couldn't tell you never grew these strains before under HID.

as far as they look like their on week 3-4, well it is what it is, nothing happen actually these where some of the healthy plants ive grown. i didn't have any problems. i would say they look pretty ripen when i look at them, the pics make them look less ripen (keep that in mind) as far as bud growth it is what it is. we will see what happens on the scale.

 

[Hank_Moody]

Continued posting of information without evidence to back up your claims (like the 50W HID or 40W LED thing I just deleted), will end up in your suspension from this forum.

Still looking for a grow that shows a 126w = 400w HPS.

Also I remember you being ULTRA confident that 1 - 126w would destroy 1 - 180w prosource.

It works. Every one of her customers has had a great success.

Define great success? Your results were about .89 g/w Is that great success for a $400+ light?

To my knowledge we have 1 unhappy customer who goes by Warbux, and a second who is possibly unhappy that goes by scumbragger/ledtester. LEDtester performed a grow using 3 x 126W panels over an area which I recommended 4. According to his grow journal, he also did a bit too much pruning on the LED plants at 3-4 weeks in bloom, resulting in stunted growth from there-on out. Until he does a grow where all variables are equal between the two sides (including temperature), it will be hard to view his experiments as conclusive.

Funny his journal specifically says YOU told him to prune the fan leaves. I've also seen you recommend that in other threads where others have said not to. People can read the journal for themselves if they are interested.

As per Warbux, he's just pissed to be pissed. He received his lights in a snap, and then waited several weeks to get an aero unit that I was waiting on parts for (of which he was informed). He was refunded for items he changed his mind on, and sent extra items over and above what he paid for as a nice gesture from our company. His impatience and inability to adhere to our company's policies, have resulted in him becoming angry and aggressive towards us, spreading twisted and misleading information on the web wherever he is allowed. If you can show me more than either one of these two who are unhappy with their grows, please bring it to my attention.

Funny I've talked to him since before he went on the warpath and he tells a very different story that hasn't changed from the beginning. I won't speak for warbux he has enough posts for people to see.

These individuals account for 2 testers in a sea of hundreds. We have tons of repeat customers, and the biggest majority of people growing with our product online express their happiness with our products. Most of them rate our products very high and would never go back to HID growing. On the whole though, the VAST majority of our customers are happy and posting good reviews. Please don't overlook the hoards of happy journals because of 1 that was inconclusive, or 1 pissed off customer who doesn't like to follow our policies.

You can make me 3. You ask more of everyone else than you give. Show me an independent grow that gets your results? Ok, forget that let's make it easier. How bout one that shows the results you refer to on your website? I'm guessing it's just a coincidence that your new model comes out just as your old one, which you said would beat a 180w, loses to said light. Oh, and it doesn't stop at 3. Trust me.

Well i Could look here oooor my garden, and trust me my garden looks/produces alot better than some of the 400-600w hps grows ive seen.

Also the lights arent even exspensive lol!! there some of the cheapest in the market!! Every light I buy will pay for itself in 1 grow..

try wraapping that thick melon of yours around that!

Cammie must have you on the payroll, I watched you defend her with no evidence elsewhere before now.

Let's go over some facts here. You produced about .89g/w. I'll handicap your side and say 1g/w. Now what would a 400w HPS have to produce to get your yield? .31 g/w (.28 w/o the handicap) You've seen HPS grows that bad huh? And you rely on the results? Tell me your joking right? What would the growers on this site consider an average result for a 400w HPS? .5g/w? .75g/w? How bout cfl's which cost a whole lot less?

 

[LEDGirl]

LEDGirl...I've been checking out your aero units...top notch gear btw.I'm a bubble bucket dude, but recently my interests have been in aero.Yours look pretty damn serious.I'm not the most experienced hydro grower...hence the bubblers, but what I was wondering is how user friendly your units are for the inexperienced aero grower.BTW-keep up the good work, we're not all haters out here.

The aero units are extremely user friendly. The 12" chamber depth provides plenty of space to keep your roots from becoming too entangled. The 3" grommets help to hold plants firmly in place, restricts them from falling into the chamber, prevents water from escaping, and light from entering. The tops of the chambers make a tight seal, meaning no water leaking around the edges. The units are easy to clean, and the sprinklers don't clog regularly. We aimed for our units to be simple to maintain even for the elderly, as many of our customers for those units are older medical patients.

i really don't care about people's opinions i try and look at the facts. this same thread on another forum is a lot different. anyway, do you have a projected release for the higher watt units you referenced, i.e. third quarter, fourth? a credible high watt unit would definitely get hid growers that grow for volume attention.

The 345W model that we chose for the final production light, will be available in about a week. It will be on our new 19" x 19" panel, supplying over 50W per square foot to it's coverage area. We will be doing a demonstration using autoflowers from MDanzing with these lights, once they arrive.

 

[MeanBean]

Define great success? Your results were about .89 g/w Is that great success for a $400+ light?



Cammie must have you on the payroll, I watched you defend her with no evidence elsewhere before now.



Let's go over some facts here. You produced about .89g/w. I'll handicap your side and say 1g/w. Now what would a 400w HPS have to produce to get your yield? .31 g/w (.28 w/o the handicap) You've seen HPS grows that bad huh? And you rely on the results? Tell me your joking right? What would the growers on this site consider an average result for a 400w HPS? .5g/w? .75g/w? How bout cfl's which cost a whole lot less?

SECOND GROW EVER DUDE IN A CABINET. The Mods Already deleted my first comment to you hahaha!

Besides I will get more next time around, still learning.

Also not sure on yer friggin math up there,

First you get my gram per watt based on 120 watts of led.

So to compare it per watt to a 400 watt hps you would need to divide your 400w / 120w = 3.3

Now you have equal wattage.

Now take you 400w hps yield and divide it by 3.3 OR multiply my yield times 3.3 to equal out the wattage, get it?

So you said I got 126 grams. So 126 * 3.3 = 415.8
One pound is 448 grams

So is getting nearly one pound from an average strain good for a second grow using a 400w hps?

Also I just defend HydroGrowLed because I enjoy all the help she has given me and the other entire enthusiast groups to grow!! I am hear to talk with other LED grower to share and learn not deal with you types a people! but theres more of you than me i guess hahaha

All this has been explained before but hey why not one more time, for one more A whole...

 

[LEDGirl]

Still looking for a grow that shows a 126w = 400w HPS.

Then do one. Considering you did your first grow with LED, and you have no experience with a 400W HPS (at least from what I've gathered in your postings) with marijauna, how would you even know personally what your own 400W grow would look like? Please don't start comparing yourself to the likes of people who are able to pull 1 gram per watt with HID consistently, they are FEW and FAR between, and have much more experience.

Also I remember you being ULTRA confident that 1 - 126w would destroy 1 - 180w prosource.

If you talk to Irish, who has been more informed on this grow than anyone else since the beginning, he will tell you that in all of our discussions I expected our light to match or slightly beat the 180W. I said that even if we yielded a small amount less (say 1/4 ounce) that it would still be a win in my book. The finaly weight isn't in yet, so we don't actually know who's gram per watt values are higher on this test.

Define great success? Your results were about .89 g/w Is that great success for a $400+ light?

.9 grams per watt is nothing to laugh at, especially when its your first grow ever with LED, and your second grow period. Most HID growers would be ecstatic to hit those kinds of numbers at that stage in the game... Even highly experienced and well known HID growers like Rumple, produce 10 ounces under a 400W HPS (.7 grams per watt), and there are tons of people who look up to him. So are you wanting to go take up your fight against all HID growers who aren't hitting at least .7 grams per watt with consistency?

Funny his journal specifically says YOU told him to prune the fan leaves. I've also seen you recommend that in other threads where others have said not to. People can read the journal for themselves if they are interested.

Yeah, that is funny. I did tell him that pruning of SOME of the fan leaves would be beneficial, but that there is also a method to doing so. Funny how he only prunes the LED plants, making the test completely useless from that point on (even though the plants were dead even up until then). He didn't just prune a few either, which ended up stunting his plants. So while I did recommend pruning, he certainly went beyond what common sense would tell you is ok with his plants. Perhaps he should re-do the test and make it completely even next time.

You can make me 3. You ask more of everyone else than you give. Show me an independent grow that gets your results? Ok, forget that let's make it easier. How bout one that shows the results you refer to on your website? I'm guessing it's just a coincidence that your new model comes out just as your old one, which you said would beat a 180w, loses to said light. Oh, and it doesn't stop at 3. Trust me.

Amazing how this is the first I've heard of you being unhappy. I don't get any phone calls, emails, or anything else from you, but magically out of nowhere you're on the hate train. All of this after you first loved your lights, and then decided you wanted 2 more for your garden. Seems like a contradiction to me, but then again it does sound like you're losing confidence in yourself based on warbux and ledtester, neither of which did anything decisive.

AGAIN - the test against the 180W is not complete. Funny how you make decisions, claims, and even bashing comments, based on a test that is incomplete.

Cammie must have you on the payroll, I watched you defend her with no evidence elsewhere before now.

Sorry, no one is on payroll. You defended me as well, and did a nice job showing what you could do your first time around with LED's. Don't know where/when you changed into Mr. Hater, but you certainly haven't posted any reasoning for it.

Let's go over some facts here. You produced about .89g/w. I'll handicap your side and say 1g/w. Now what would a 400w HPS have to produce to get your yield? .31 g/w (.28 w/o the handicap) You've seen HPS grows that bad huh? And you rely on the results? Tell me your joking right? What would the growers on this site consider an average result for a 400w HPS? .5g/w? .75g/w? How bout cfl's which cost a whole lot less?

Actually yes, I have seen plenty of HID grows that bad from lots of first and second time growers. It is not uncommon whatsoever for them to get .3-.5 grams per watt. I think it is you who is being unrealistic, expecting everyone to grow like a HID pro, when I doubt you could even hit .75 grams per watt with HID if you tried.

By the way, if all you're going to do is run your mouth and attack people, you may find yourself absent form these forums. If you want to be a little more respectful of others, and voice your actual concern/unhappiness in a way that we can all understand, then please do so.

 

[irishboy]

just letting it be know i plan on pullint the girls on the 20th, i am not for sure on the hindu? ill keep any eye if she will be done by then. i wanted to get some feed back on this, i believe its fair to do the yield test on the blue dreams only since the hindu skunk is a small runt on the 180w side. i figure since i have 4 healthy blue dreams that would be most fair to compare each light, then the hindu's will just be a alone thing on its own. i would love to hear feed back on this? i am only going to get 3.5g on my little hindu if i am lucky, just dont see how it would be far to count all 3 plants on each side since its a runt. screw what was claimed with this grow; we can subtract the 30% diff in power if you want but just think is should be between BD's. please give ur feed back on this? + you need to make one more post because ur post count right now is 666.lol dont know how i just seen that? lol

 

[adrenachroman]

The aero units are extremely user friendly. The 12" chamber depth provides plenty of space to keep your roots from becoming too entangled. The 3" grommets help to hold plants firmly in place, restricts them from falling into the chamber, prevents water from escaping, and light from entering. The tops of the chambers make a tight seal, meaning no water leaking around the edges. The units are easy to clean, and the sprinklers don't clog regularly. We aimed for our units to be simple to maintain even for the elderly, as many of our customers for those units are older medical patients.

Thank you.Thats exactly what I needed to know.Thats cool you incorporated ease of maintenance in the design.I've only grown out 6 cycles..the first 2 were in soil.Since I went bubbler(hydro) method isnt even a matter of choice.Your aero-tables(the perpetual harvest pics) are what really got me interested in aero.What,in gods name, does your friend do with all that weed?I would get nothing done

 

[adrenachroman]

My favorite Iron Maiden album.But great job Irish, I'm sure as you fine tune your led grows the results will be only more impressive.Screw the negativity floating around man, do your thing, perfect your methods.And keep enjoying yourself.I mean, isnt that what this is really about?

 

[irishboy]

My favorite Iron Maiden album.But great job Irish, I'm sure as you fine tune your led grows the results will be only more impressive.Screw the negativity floating around man, do your thing, perfect your methods.And keep enjoying yourself.I mean, isnt that what this is really about?

bro i dont even trip what anyone says about my led grow, has nothing to do with me or my skills, its more aimed at the led company's then me. ive grown for many years under the sun and HID and i still learn something new every grow. i bairly read what anyone post on this thread about the lights, i know what i know and can see with my own eyes on my own grow to make up my own mind about these lights. i just keep to myself.

 

[LEDGirl]

just letting it be know i plan on pullint the girls on the 20th, i am not for sure on the hindu? ill keep any eye if she will be done by then. i wanted to get some feed back on this, i believe its fair to do the yield test on the blue dreams only since the hindu skunk is a small runt on the 180w side. i figure since i have 4 healthy blue dreams that would be most fair to compare each light, then the hindu's will just be a alone thing on its own. i would love to hear feed back on this? i am only going to get 3.5-7.0g on my little hindu if i am lucky, just dont see how it would be far to count all 3 plants on each side since its a runt. screw what was claimed with this grow; we can subtract the 30% diff in power if you want but just think is should be between BD's. please give ur feed back on this? + you need to make one more post because ur post count right now is 666.lol dont know how i just seen that? lol

The yield should be posted from all plants at some point. It's fine to compare the 2 blue dreams on each side preliminarily, but we're all going to want to know what the 126W did on total yield, and vice-versa on the PS side. Their Hindu plant certainly did not grow as tall, but early on during veg there was an issue with the plants in relation to light height, etc... which looked to me like it had quite a bit to do with the stunting. The hindu seemed more affected than the other plants, whereas all plants vegged fine under our light at 6". Everyone is entitled to make their own opinions, but when you follow that plant from veg (and all of them for that matter) the plants on the ProSource side are all smaller in overall size (not talking about buds here). Unless you're goal is to bias something, I would say post the results as they are. People are smart enough to draw their own conclusions.

 

[PetFlora]

Regardless of the topic there are always na-sayers, All I can say is my UFO 90 out performed the alternatives (outdoors vegged in July, or several attempts under 400 hps) for me. If you need visual proof, see my journal.

 

[irishboy]

The yield should be posted from all plants at some point. It's fine to compare the 2 blue dreams on each side preliminarily, but we're all going to want to know what the 126W did on total yield, and vice-versa on the PS side. Their Hindu plant certainly did not grow as tall, but early on during veg there was an issue with the plants in relation to light height, etc... which looked to me like it had quite a bit to do with the stunting. The hindu seemed more affected than the other plants, whereas all plants vegged fine under our light at 6". Everyone is entitled to make their own opinions, but when you follow that plant from veg (and all of them for that matter) the plants on the ProSource side are all smaller in overall size (not talking about buds here). Unless you're goal is to bias something, I would say post the results as they are. People are smart enough to draw their own conclusions.

my goal is not to be bias! i just cant say it was the lights fault for the runt their are so many diff things that could have made this happen, bad clone, stress, root damage when talking them apart in the rockwell cube. i cant blame the light because none of us are scientist and can tell for sure. yes it is true all plant are smaller in size but come on you can clearly see something real bad happen to her and she is a total runt. i will just post each plants weight and everyone can make their own mind up on how they want to do it. i never meant i wasn't going to post the weight of the hindus because i am, i was just saying i didn't think it was fair to add 3 of ur plants vs 3 of their plants, just BD vs BD and the hindus can be separate. it dosent bother me either way, i was just saying i dont think its fair to count the hindus because the runt will most likly be only 3.5g once dry,

 

[LEDGirl]

my goal is not to be bias! i just cant say it was the lights fault for the runt their are so many diff things that could have made this happen, bad clone, stress, root damage when talking them apart in the rockwell cube. i cant blame the light because none of us are scientist and can tell for sure.

I know your goal isn't to be biased, but that's why you present the information as is and let people make their own decisions. Just like you can't blame the stunting problem on a bad clone, stress, root damage etc... (as you're unsure), you can't rule out the light either. So while I'm certainly not going to say the light is 100% to blame for the runt issue, I also can't say it wasn't fully to blame or partially to blame. For this reason you should present the facts as they are, not try and give ProSource the benefit of the doubt for whatever unknown reason caused the problem. All of us know that the conditions, growing medium, and feeding schedules were the same amongst all the plants, with the only real variable being the light, so let them draw their own conclusions. In the end I'm interested in total yield under each light (and I'm sure I speak for many), not subtracting one from the mix because it lagged for whatever reason, as that tends to create a bias. I have no fears that you will post all the info Irish, just wanting to establish a point, and that point is that you've presented all of the facts so far without making excuses for either side, and I feel you should keep it that way.

 

[irishboy]

I know your goal isn't to be biased, but that's why you present the information as is and let people make their own decisions. Just like you can't blame the stunting problem on a bad clone, stress, root damage etc... (as you're unsure), you can't rule out the light either. So while I'm certainly not the one saying the light is 100% to blame for the runt issue, I also can't say it wasn't. For this reason you should present the facts as they are, not try and give ProSource the benefit of the doubt for whatever unknown reason caused the problem. All of us know that the conditions, growing medium, and feeding schedules were the same amongst all the plants, with the only real variable being the light, so let them draw their own conclusions. In the end we're all interested in total yield under each light, not subtracting one from the mix because it lagged for whatever reason, as that creates a bias.

i am not trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. it would be bias if i did say it was the light. the conditions and feeding have nothing to do with it being a runt, but maybe it was a more stressed clone? maybe the roots got damaged when sperating the rockwell cubes? i cant blame the light and nor can anyone els because their no way to prove it. if one of ur plant were a runt would you say it was because of ur light? or some other reason. all the data is going to be their up and front, i just wanted to make sure other took this into consideration. i would be real bias of me to blame their light for somthing i cant say for sure, so i just wanted to clear that up.

what i am trying to get at their should be two ways of testing this out not only one. bd vs bd and then all 3 vs all 3. i think thats most fair. i think two ways of testing the weight is most fair IMO

 

[LEDGirl]

i am not trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. it would be bias if i did say it was the light. the conditions and feeding have nothing to do with it being a runt, but maybe it was a more stressed clone? maybe the roots got damaged when sperating the rockwell cubes? i cant blame the light and nor can anyone els because their no way to prove it. if one of ur plant were a runt would you say it was because of ur light? or some other reason. all the data is going to be their up and front, i just wanted to make sure other took this into consideration. i would be real bias of me to blame their light for somthing i cant say for sure, so i just wanted to clear that up.

Again, since you cannot pinpoint the problem that caused the runt issue, you can't rule the light out either (still haven't blamed it for causing the problem). It is simply one of the variables that must be considered. To answer your question: yes, if all of our plants were shorter I would definitely be looking at my light, not elsewhere. If 1 plant that was a different strain stressed under our light when the others did not (similar to how some plants bleach and others do not), then I would likely come to the conclusion that the strain in question is less resistant to certain types of stress or environmental factors. If that same strain was placed under 2 different lights and only stressed under 1 of them, then I would also look at my light as being more of the cause of the issue.

what i am trying to get at their should be two ways of testing this out not only one. bd vs bd and then all 3 vs all 3. i think thats most fair. i think two ways of testing the weight is most fair IMO

I have no problems with this. As I said, I have no fears you will present all of the information. As long as I see total yield from each light, I'm happy.

 

[turdbird]

If you grow vertical, I don't think this light can replace a 400. I used to grow in a horizontal cylinder scrog with a 150. Not a vertical grow but it was similar. Using 360 degrees of an HPS basically triples it's footprint. 1g/watt is not even a challenge in this situation. In my opinion, someone has to get 400g out of this light for the "equal to a 400" claim to be true. I hope to see it happen. I would like to see someone try a scrog. I gotta get my life back on track; start growing dope again. I will probably buy one of these anyway someday whether it proves to equal a 400 or not.

Edit: sorry, I just read this and I guess it's kind of OT.

Edit: just a test edit to see if it says "this post edited by turdbird at xxx AM"
hmmm, interesting. I guess it only does that when mods edit posts

 

[LEDGirl]

If you grow vertical, I don't think this light can replace a 400. I used to grow in a horizontal cylinder scrog with a 150. Not a vertical grow but it was similar. Using 360 degrees of an HPS basically triples it's footprint. 1g/watt is not even a challenge in this situation. In my opinion, someone has to get 400g out of this light for the "equal to a 400" claim to be true. I hope to see it happen. I would like to see someone try a scrog. I gotta get my life back on track; start growing dope again. I will probably buy one of these anyway someday whether it proves to equal a 400 or not.

Anyone can claim what you just did as well, but seeing as you have 7 posts and no grow journals online, I guess we can't verify your claims huh? Your opinion doesn't matter much if you have nothing to show for it. I'm in no way implying that someone can't do more than 1 gram per watt with a 150W HPS in a vertical garden, but in order for it to be fair (apples to apples) you'd have to compare a SOG or SCrog 150W HPS grow to any of the LED grows you've seen. It usually requires a lot of experience for a HID gardener to hit 1 gram per watt with these methods (less so with scrog), not to mention doing so consistently, but 1 gram per watt is more or less where people START with our LED panels. Also, very few people actually grow vertically (never met one in person), and those who are, generally are not amateurs. It is certainly a very efficient method of growing with HID, but it's not an apples to apples comparison.

 

[irishboy]

i haven't to this date seen one led grow from any led company beat HID. i would love to see this but out of all the led grows ive seen in my time i haven't seen this yet. cant wait untill i do, that will be a happy day for me. especially if i am the one to do it.lol
not trying to talk shit but its the truth from what i have seen from all the led grows i have seen so far. but i haven't given up on leds just yet, just not going to buy any until i see this happen.