Seeds from 1972 what should I do?

[zlock]

I really hope you can get a few of these to pop man... I've got my fingers crossed for you!
My father has some seeds from 1978 he's going to let me try and grow once I get my box up and running. Colombian Gold and Panama Red :-D
He's got a good amount of them all neatly put away in a box, as well as a bag of misc seeds from around that same time. I'm excited to try growing them, and REALLY hope I can get a few plants growing and maybe make some more seeds!
Anyway, I'll be checking back to see if you have any luck, be on the lookout for my thread in a few weeks hopefully!
Good luck!

 

[Kush Dreams89]

I've got my fingers crossed for ya M. I had a few theories, but it looks like everyone has said what needs to be said. I've had some seeds taking 1-2 weeks to germ (those were just over a year old.) Give em some time, keep temps at 90, and let em germ for a bit before introducing any nutes. I was thinking that if they're as old as you say the interaction with nutes right away might shock them, but I'm no expert. Best of luck, and if you get anything you'll have all of ic trying to catch a peek.

Haha and I think someone...somewhere, has to have RKS.

 

[olddrifter66]

Did the few that did germ survive?

 

[Rose56]

.Hi, Have you tried germinating them in your aero?

 

[webguy]

gibberellic acid has been used to germ 1000 year old seeds of extinct species.

 

[Guest]

hi, can you give your source about that, i believed gibberellic acid was used for making femenised seeds...thanks

 

[I N Hail]

Sorry to hear of your loss bro. So i guess every cloud CAN have a silver lining i sure hope u get some to pop.I was giving some seed's from about the some time 1972 i'ved tried to germ alot of them with no luck .Your post might help me with that so thank you and good luck.



I N Hail

 

[Che]

I think he gave up on these, I've had big batches of exciting seeds that didn't germ too. It's really defeating when you try and try and try to germ seeds to no avail. Especially if the odd one pops open and gets your hopes up, but never goes anywhere.

 

[Botanist]

its sad that some one has past on. sorry about your father. But we can all learn something. Tobacco is bad. I need to stop smoking myself. and always label your seeds. I bet he is kicking himself in heaven for not labeling. But he must be glad they have ended up in good hands.

 

[KindHypnos]

Gibberellic Acid for Fruit Set and Seed Germination
John M. Riley
The following information is taken from a article by John M. Riley that appeared in the 1987 CRFG Journal (vol. 19, pp. 10-12). See the back issue information for price and ordering information.
The Germination Process
The first stage of germination consists of ingesting water and an awakening or activation of the germ plasma. Protein components of the cells that were formed as the seed developed, became inactive as it matured. After an uptake of water, the system is reactivated and protein synthesis resumes. Enzymes and hormones appear and begin to digest reserve substances in the storage tissues and to translocate the digested substances in the storage tissues to the growing points of the embryo. The sequence of the metabolic pattern than occurs during germination involves the activation of specific enzymes at the proper time and regulation of their activity.

Control is exercised by four classes of plant hormones: inhibitors such as abscissic acid which block germination; auxins which control root formation and growth; the gibberellins which regulate protein synthesis and stem elongation; and cytokinins that control organ differentiation. Ethylene is also believed to have a control function in some plants. Sometimes the last three controls are used together to crash through dormancy in germinating difficult seed.
Gibberellic Acid
Gibberellic acid (actually a group of related substances called gibberellins) was discovered as a metabolic byproduct of the fungus Gibberella fujikuroi, which causes the stems of growing rice to elongate so rapidly the plant collapsed. Synthetic forms of gibberellic acid are available commercially.

Gibberellic acid (GA) is a very potent hormone whose natural occurrence in plants controls their development. Since GA regulates growth, applications of very low concentrations can have a profound effect. Timing is critical: too much GA may have an opposite effect from that desired; too little may require the plant to be repeatedly treated to sustain desired levels of GA.
Effects of Gibberellic Acid

1. Overcoming dormancy. Treatment with high concentrations of GA is effective in overcoming dormancy and causing rapid germination of seed. Concentrations of about 2 ppm can cause tubers to sprout earlier.
2. Premature flowering. If a plant is sufficiently developed, premature flowering may be induced by direct application of GA to young plants. This action is not sustained and treatment may have to be repeated. Formation of male flowers is generally promoted by concentrations of 10 to 200 ppm., female flowers by concentrations of 200 to 300 ppm. Concentrations of more than 600 ppm markedly suppresses initiation of both male and female flowers.
3. Increased fruit set. When there is difficulty with fruit set because of incomplete pollination, GA may be effectively used to increase fruit set. The resulting fruit maybe partially or entirely seedless. GA has increased the total yield in greenhouse tomato crops both as a result of increased fruit set and more rapid growth of the fruit.
4. Hybridizing. Pollination within self-incompatible clones and between closely related species may some times be forced by the application of GA and cytokinin to the blooms at the time of hand pollination.
5. Increased growth. GA applied near the terminal bud of trees may increase the rate of growth by stimulating more or less constant growth during the season. In a Department of Agriculture experiment, the GA was applied as a 1% paste in a band around the terminal bud of trees. Treatment was repeated three times during the summer. Walnut tee growth was 8.5 ft. for treated trees, 1.5 ft. for untreated trees.
6. Frost protection. Spraying fruit trees at full-blossom or when the blossoms begin to wither can offset the detrimental effects of frost.
7. Root formation. GA inhibits the formation of roots in cuttings.

 

[medmaker420]

Mdanzig are you doing this just to tease us? in all seriousness sorry for you and your sisters loss.... but you know whats to be done start popping those ASAP... all you can do is see if any pop and go from there..
Good Find

No kidding,

What would people suggest you do with them besides grow them? Throw them away????

I wish more seed hoards from the 70's would show their face and spread the love and strains to everyone else, if anything add them to your breeding projects Mdanzig.

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[medmaker420]

Well, unfortunetly nothing has worked to date. I still have a bunch left, so I will give it a few more goes, and then thats it.

I would try and run all of them but leave them to germ until you know for sure nothing will come of it.

I have seen too many times where I thought a seed was a dud, then tossed it back with my "new/used" soil container and it ends up popping 2 weeks to 1 month + later on.

All you can do is try plenty of different ideas

freeze them for a bit and then try would be one idea. Maybe get them back into the "Freeze and Germ" phase of their lives again because odds are they have been sitting in a warm area for a long time.

good luck for sure, sorry for your loss. That is something we all will have to face someday and it scares the shit out of me and try my best NOT to think about what "could" happen to either me or a loved one.

stay strong, pop those seeds and live for today, tomorrow and beyond.

 

[swishaman]

Seems like someone on Overgrow was in the same situation, except I think they just found about 100 or so... I forget how many germed, but it wasn't many.

Best of luck mdanzig, hopefully some of them have 'made the journey'...

 

[wwonka]

MD did you have any luck at all?

Peace
wwonka

 

[S_a_H]

Lets get this thread going again.

MD has sent me the last of these seeds and as soon as I get them I am just going to put most of them in to soak and we'll see if anything shows up.

S_a_H

 

[SevenSeeds]

Here we go S_a_H!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was reading this long ago, my condolences about the loss MD, Great find though....maybe S_a_H can spread his hard work and luck on these oldies and HOPEFULL well see some white taps Very Interesting thread! I would love to see this bloom!

 

[messn'n'gommin']

Lets get this thread going again.

MD has sent me the last of these seeds and as soon as I get them I am just going to put most of them in to soak and we'll see if anything shows up.

S_a_H

Don't mean to sound like I know anything, but as a suggestion, you might try adding a drop or two of liquid smoke to the water you soak them in. Then papertowels/rockwool/peat pellets and then under an incandescent light.

Effects of Smoke on Seed Germination of 20 Species of Fire Prone Habitat in Florida
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4060/is_200806/ai_n28083242?tag=rbxcra.2.a.11

Smoke Induced Germination
http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/128/4/1167

Germination Micro-Site Perception: the Role of Light Quality and Quantity
http://www.kew.org/science/directory/projects/EM_LightQuality.html

I think it would be interesting to see if they help in germination of 35-40 year old seeds. lol...ya, I know, just ain't what it used to be! Good luck!

Namaste, mess

 

[Megas]

this is interesting, out of curiosity was he in Nam?

 

[S_a_H]

Ok it is karma giving time...

Ok it is karma giving time...

Give me all the karma you can.....

I got these today and I squashed a good 25 seeds on the table and only saw one or two that had even a hint of any white or yellowish look to them most were black or rust colored inside.

I got a gallon of distilled water and warmed it up to 85 degrees a plastic type tupperware container some papertowels.

I placed the papertowels in the container and added however many seeds you seeds you see I didn't bother counting and added the warm water and placed another papertowel on top closed the lid and placed in a warm spot in the grow area.

S_a_H

 

[Che]

If you re-wet them, try using a mild dilute H202 solution. It's been documented that this improves germination rates.