WEED PRICES CRASH!!!!!!!!!!

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If a caregiver is given a script by a patient, he is morally obligated to provide a certain amount of FREE cannabis to that patient, in exchange, usually an ounce per grow. The profit he makes off the extra cannabis covered by the script covers that expense. No need to ALSO charge the patient for that ounce. That's a complete rip-off and against the spirit and letter of the law (no profit from medicine!).

If you are part of a collective, you should be SHARING in any "profit" so that there is none overall for the collective. Your share comes out in FREE medicine. You may need to contribute something to the collective in exchange besides the script, like helping to harvest, trim, work in the collective garden, etc. Those who can't do anything can offer money within their means to pay for the collective's overhead.

But those who can't afford the medicine and cannot help out should NOT be ignored, but given FREE medicine. I would say every collective should allow say 10% of their members to be given free medicine as needed.

That is what COMPASSION IS ABOUT! And although very few public collectives work this way, and few big dispensaries, I have seen some that do!

 

[johnnyla]

Perhaps this was discussed earlier and I missed it. Sorry if that is the case.

Why, then, isn't every patient growing their own if it is legal, worry-free, and easy as you imply? I understand that some are disabled, but most patients are fully capable of driving to home depot, ordering seeds on the internet and growing a simple weed or two in their living rooms.

Right? Why so much pity for people who want it handed to them on a silver platter? If we growers are gaming everyone with our easy trade, why not nip it in the bud?

i concur. unless you are bedridden, you can grow enough to use in a closet or yard, or garage. if you want to buy it then that is your choice.

white owl: i think we have a cross section of CA and MI commentators here. you have a different scene in MI. the growers are also the caregivers or "dispensarys".

here in cali there are three classes of patients: end user patients, dispensary (middle men) patients, and grower patients.

just so you know in CA, the wholesale price of herb has gone down while the retail price of herb has stayed the same. this is because of the middle man. i understand the scene is different in Michitgan. by the way my friend got jacked at knife point in mishitgan.

 

[johnnyla]

If a caregiver is given a script by a patient, he is morally obligated to provide a certain amount of FREE cannabis to that patient, in exchange, usually an ounce per grow. The profit he makes off the extra cannabis covered by the script covers that expense. No need to ALSO charge the patient for that ounce. That's a complete rip-off and against the spirit and letter of the law (no profit from medicine!).

If you are part of a collective, you should be SHARING in any "profit" so that there is none overall for the collective. Your share comes out in FREE medicine. You may need to contribute something to the collective in exchange besides the script, like helping to harvest, trim, work in the collective garden, etc. Those who can't do anything can offer money within their means to pay for the collective's overhead.

But those who can't afford the medicine and cannot help out should NOT be ignored, but given FREE medicine. I would say every collective should allow say 10% of their members to be given free medicine as needed.

That is what COMPASSION IS ABOUT! And although very few public collectives work this way, and few big dispensaries, I have seen some that do!

for reals.

 

[HappyDog]

Michigan is a rough state period.

 

[Luigi4Bud]

Can someone help me with understanding the broker? I am in the south on the east coast, so I am not in a med state and not close to one.

From the television special I saw on MJ, they talked about MJ brokers and how they served as the connection point between a grower and a buyer. Is this only in Med Marijuana states or do brokers also work in non med states and act as a broker on the black market?

If they do, how does a grower just starting out find or locate one of these guys(or gals). The big benefit of a broker from my perspective is having to deal with only one person and I don't mind a percentage of sale for that luxury. Any help on clarifying the reality of a black market broker(not dealing with the med MJ)would be appreciated.

 

[johnnyla]

Can someone help me with understanding the broker? I am in the south on the east coast, so I am not in a med state and not close to one.

From the television special I saw on MJ, they talked about MJ brokers and how they served as the connection point between a grower and a buyer. Is this only in Med Marijuana states or do brokers also work in non med states and act as a broker on the black market?

If they do, how does a grower just starting out find or locate one of these guys(or gals). The big benefit of a broker from my perspective is having to deal with only one person and I don't mind a percentage of sale for that luxury. Any help on clarifying the reality of a black market broker(not dealing with the med MJ)would be appreciated.

broker used to be called "middle man". you are looking for a middle man. can't help you there. i avoid them.

 

[Owl Mirror]

Michigan is a rough state period.

Don't quite understand your comment
Michigan is a wonderful place to live, even though our industry base collapsed in recent years. Our Governor is working to foster new industries across the state that will bring jobs back.
Currently my small town of 3000+ is awaiting final approval for a clean coal-fired power plant that will bring about 400 much needed jobs to this area.

Imagine having a good paying job and living in a place where you can walk out your back door and see stuff like this.

http://www.gather.com/viewVideo.action?id=11821949021895853

 

[zenoonez]

Can someone help me with understanding the broker? I am in the south on the east coast, so I am not in a med state and not close to one.

From the television special I saw on MJ, they talked about MJ brokers and how they served as the connection point between a grower and a buyer. Is this only in Med Marijuana states or do brokers also work in non med states and act as a broker on the black market?

If they do, how does a grower just starting out find or locate one of these guys(or gals). The big benefit of a broker from my perspective is having to deal with only one person and I don't mind a percentage of sale for that luxury. Any help on clarifying the reality of a black market broker(not dealing with the med MJ)would be appreciated.

If you are in the south east you and are in the same neck of the woods. There are middle men in the southeast but its a long hard road to hoe if you get caught and using middlemen is just one more step on the ladder you could get caught by. I would suggest moving to a med state.

 

[johnnyla]

Don't quite understand your comment
Michigan is a wonderful place to live, even though our industry base collapsed in recent years. Our Governor is working to foster new industries across the state that will bring jobs back.
Currently my small town of 3000+ is awaiting final approval for a clean coal-fired power plant that will bring about 400 much needed jobs to this area.

Imagine having a good paying job and living in a place where you can walk out your back door and see stuff like this.

http://www.gather.com/viewVideo.action?id=11821949021895853

nice vid bro. sorry for dissing on michigan so much. it is beautiful and the wildlife is amazing. just too cold.

 

[Owl Mirror]

Can someone help me with understanding the broker? I am in the south on the east coast, so I am not in a med state and not close to one.

From the television special I saw on MJ, they talked about MJ brokers and how they served as the connection point between a grower and a buyer. Is this only in Med Marijuana states or do brokers also work in non med states and act as a broker on the black market?

If they do, how does a grower just starting out find or locate one of these guys(or gals). The big benefit of a broker from my perspective is having to deal with only one person and I don't mind a percentage of sale for that luxury. Any help on clarifying the reality of a black market broker(not dealing with the med MJ)would be appreciated.

Just look for the guy in the hat ;>}

 

[dopey the clown]

I did try to nip this in the bud. I had my life threatened, was defamed by the executive director, had activists from MPP and some Guido from Las Vegas impugned that if I didn't shut up I would go missing.
This is from an organization that claims to be for the benefit of the patients of Michigan.

I'm very confused. How does this come about as a result of growing your own pot? Clearly I missed something.

What I would like to do is form a series of meetings around the state where patients could come and learn best practices and the least expensive methods for growing their own.
Far too many people that have a registration card are going without because of these high prices being demanded, contrary to our Law.

I've had supposed caregivers tell me straight up that if they can't make $150,000 to $250,000 per year they won't grow for the medical community. I've had others tell me that since the patient can only afford one ounce per month, they intend to grow out twelve plants under the patients name and sell the excess on the black market for further profits, all the while still charging the patient $300 an OZ.

Seems the comm growers don't care about patients, only profits.
I had a caregiver tell me that if the patient can't afford the prices, tough shit, they can buy swag or go back on the pills.

I don't have a problem with profits or capitalism, just not to the detriment of chronically ill or dying people.

That is atrocious. These people are savages. No doubt about it.

When I was doing my legit medical grow, every person that signed me up as a caregiver was given 1.5 to 2 ounces per month free of charge. Same with everybody I knew. I assumed that was S.O.P.

These poor patients need to find better friends. I've got 2 friends in Michigan who love to find a few patients in exchange for a free ounce or two per month..

 

[dopey the clown]

As someone who has a little experience in Michigan(for a month or so I was involved in a few meet and greets), I don't understand the dilemna of these patients. Why do they work with these savage growers who use them for their 12 plants AND charge them top dollar? What on earth would motivate that? I went to a compassion meeting in Ann Arbor that was publically advertised where people were not-so-descretly telling patients that free weed was no problem if they signed them off as a caregiver.

These patients just have to do more shopping before they get locked in with a sadistic asshole.

 

[Owl Mirror]

nice vid bro. sorry for dissing on Michigan so much. it is beautiful and the wildlife is amazing. just too cold.

LOL well we do get snow but, there is fun to be found even under those conditions.

Snowmobiling, skiing, ice fishing are incredible opportunities.

 

[zenoonez]

Screw that, I was born with flipflops on my feet. Ain't no way I could live there

 

[Owl Mirror]

As someone who has a little experience in Michigan(for a month or so I was involved in a few meet and greets), I don't understand the dilemma of these patients. Why do they work with these savage growers who use them for their 12 plants AND charge them top dollar? What on earth would motivate that? I went to a compassion meeting in Ann Arbor that was publicly advertised where people were not-so-discreetly telling patients that free weed was no problem if they signed them off as a caregiver.

These patients just have to do more shopping before they get locked in with a sadistic asshole.

Actually I am well aware of that practice. It was a scam to get signed up under a patients name, then they provided TRIM for free to the patient and sold the buds on the street.See, many if not most patients do not know any different than what this group is telling them. This group has made it their goal to ensure patients become dependant upon the caregivers.

Currently I am assisting a few patients near me in how best to grow on a tight budget. I would like to foster a system where the designated caregiver is merely a helping hand, providing knowledge and advice to the patient. The patient grows their own with the assistance of a mentor. This would eliminate this underground market.

See as I see it, the more problem cases brought to the attention of the public by these illegal practices will only serve as a point where the opponents can say "told you so", "we warned you".

I believe we should change the law so that the designated caregiver can not possess any plants but, serves as a mentor.

 

[zenoonez]

Or it could just be legal and we could be done with all the regulations and black market

 

[Owl Mirror]

Screw that, I was born with flipflops on my feet. Ain't no way I could live there

LOL well I can walk 100 yards from my back door and catch fish like this one through a hole in the ice.

 

[filo6942]

I have noticed a sharp drop in prices in my "hood" (south bay) Cali. Half oz going for 120$-140$ all day indoor.

 

[dopey the clown]

Actually I am well aware of that practice. It was a scam to get signed up under a patients name, then they provided TRIM for free to the patient and sold the buds on the street.See, many if not most patients do not know any different than what this group is telling them. This group has made it their goal to ensure patients become dependant upon the caregivers.

Currently I am assisting a few patients near me in how best to grow on a tight budget. I would like to foster a system where the designated caregiver is merely a helping hand, providing knowledge and advice to the patient. The patient grows their own with the assistance of a mentor. This would eliminate this underground market.

See as I see it, the more problem cases brought to the attention of the public by these illegal practices will only serve as a point where the opponents can say "told you so", "we warned you".

I believe we should change the law so that the designated caregiver can not possess any plants but, serves as a mentor.

I see. I generally agree with everything you're saying. But it gets more layered for people who grow in a state with no such stipulations. Both of the friends that know I grow think that my growing is the dumbest decision I've ever made, and that I am insane for risking my career for a few plants. I'm under incredible pressure to make sure I don't get caught. If I do, I lose everything. I'm not trying to throw a pity party or martyr myself, but I am saying that this isn't easy money for most of us. More like making a few grand here and there for doing what we love.

So maybe it's not so fair to generalize, as I believe you did earlier, against all guys who might pick up a little scratch on the side with cannabis.

 

[dopey the clown]

LOL well I can walk 100 yards from my back door and catch fish like this one through a hole in the ice.

I've thought about going back to Michigan. It's beautiful. But alas, if my harvest were to be bad or I go mites or something, I'd be screwed. The odds of landing a job in Michigan as an out of stater are slim to none.

Shame. And I'm actually pretty surprised that the cost of living hasn't plummeted as a result. A few Midwestern states with much better economies have a much lower cost of living.