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ocean99
Fuck I hope this turns out OK, things are just starting to cool down it seems around here, I'd hate for the LA DA to set a precedent and send the rest of CA into a witch hunt.
L.A D.A. says ALL Dispensaries Illegal & ALL Will be Prosecuted
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I feel you man. And i'm sorry you were injured on the job and disabled. I have a lifelong illness that is uncurable and it sucks because i didn't do anything to deserve it. If i had lung cancer i could live with it because there is some logic to it. 2+2=4. if you smoke cigs your whole life chances are you're gonna die. But no, i have a mystery illness that isn't going away.
Look i hate the dispensary prices too so i grew some in my backyard, under my limits and now i smoke for cost which is $25 per ounce. not bad. team up with someone and grow your own stash. in reality, if you want to hurt the greedy weed shops, don't give them your money. if you grow a few ounces per plant x 6 then you have your half pound limit and smoke for dirt cheap for a good while and the dispensarys don't get your money. open and shut.
otherwise you aren't going to get lower prices when these places need insurance and a huge bank roll for legal bills not to mention the threat of raids, jail time, burglery, bodily harm, financial loss, etc.
it's a Risky Business. I would never want anything to do with a dispensary. Fucking target for pigs and thieves. I wouldn't want to be a bank teller either. at any rate, that's why the prices are what they are and salaries are what they are. these aren't people volunteering in their free time down at the food shelter.
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mrdizzle
med marijuana isnt exspensive, its cheap, cost like $200-500 bucks to grow a pound. even a sickely person can grow their own
ooooooh I get it, growers should risk their freedom, put in their own time, hardwork, and money, and then give it all away to a club so that random dickhead can get a 25dollar 1/8. fuck that noise.
if you dont like it, learn to love it, because its the best thing going today
ooooooh I get it, growers should risk their freedom, put in their own time, hardwork, and money, and then give it all away to a club so that random dickhead can get a 25dollar 1/8. fuck that noise.
if you dont like it, learn to love it, because its the best thing going today
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Blue Dot
In another thread the sick are referred to as "the choosen" and now "random dickheads"?
Doesn't anyone give a shit about sick people anymore?
What a crazy culture we live in in America. Favor the strong and cast out the weak.
How very primative and un-evolved, yes YOU America!
Lol. Again Blue Dot using hyperbole to its perfection. 90% of those with medical recommendations do not have life threatening or debilitating diseases. Those who do have a number of methods by which they can find more reasonably priced meds. You can take your righteous indignation and take it somewhere else. The strong have always succeeded in America and in the rest of the world. I don't give a shit about the sick, I don't give a shit about the strong. I don't give a shit about anyone but myself, my family, and my friends. Everyone gets sick and when we do we have to pay to get better or to treat our ailments, its a reality. You are acting like people are being condemned to die because they don't have 20 bucks. But again and again you ignore the fact that there are programs at nearly every dispensary to help low income patients who need meds. Another fact that you ignore is that they can seek out like-minded caregivers who are willing to work out a similar arrangement. So why rage about a system that has provisions for those sick and needy?
oh please. i have been in norcal for one season now... i have a lot of friends that are commercial growers. for the last 2 or 3 months I have been asking them all to donate their trim, or part of their trim to make hash for needy patients. every person I have asked has enthusiastically agreed. Granted, some may not follow thru in the end, but most will.
Blue Dot... I only see you complaining about the greedy commercial growers and dispensaries. I don't see you doing anything to actively organize the community to solve the problems that you're whining about. If you were to go out into the world and try to do something, and all you found were greedy assholes who laughed at you, I might have some empathy for you, but even then I would tell you that you are not tapping into the right people, keep looking. Millions of dollars are raised for many things, some of them incredibly lame. Starting a canna charity for those you feel are most affected by this paradigm from some of the very people who are profiting is, at the very least, poetically just. Capitalists have assuaged their latent, denied guilt through charity since before they were capitalists (and were kings and nobles.)
Socialism, in political theory, is a system by which the government mandates that everybody do their part. IMO, socialism is a valid intermediary step to libertarian participatory democracy and a participitory economy. (some, who have removed their head from their ass, might call this anarchism of a sort... not anarchy, anarchism.)
Many people are selfish and greedy. Capitalism, and what came before it have set the stage for the greed and the selfishness. Socialism is a system that was once hoped would lead to a kinder and less greedy population (enormous over-simplification) who would not need to be forced to help the least able to help themselves amongst us. They do it because its obvious.
I get it that this is obvious to you... and on its own merit that is commendable.
I challenge you to do something about it in the real world. If you have started a campaign that involves something other than bitching at every person who makes a dime and feeds their children on a marijuana economy, let me know and I will recant.
Meanwhile I will keep getting more people to donate their trim. In the end I am hoping for 7-11 pounds of concentrate. I have even started looking into ways to efficiently and fairly distribute it those in the most medical/financial need. If I were completely undaunted by the possibility of federal prosecution and even state bullshit, i would start a non-profit and raise hundreds of thousands in aid for needy patients, but sor now the effort will remain low key, but its something. and it demonstrates that there are plenty of kind people in this industry...
dude, nobody cares about anyone. your government sold out to corporate multinational corporations decades ago. they would sell your organs individually to the highest bidder if they could. they do this in China amongst prisoners and other undesirables.
we're fucked bro. you may as well grown your own herbs and veggies. your new world order treasonous politicians are not your friends. they do not represent you, and they will not save you.
best of luck to ya. see you in the aftermath. rat a tat tat mofos.
dude, nobody cares about anyone. your government sold out to corporate multinational corporations decades ago. they would sell your organs individually to the highest bidder if they could. they do this in China amongst prisoners and other undesirables.
we're fucked bro. you may as well grown your own herbs and veggies. your new world order treasonous politicians are not your friends. they do not represent you, and they will not save you.
best of luck to ya. see you in the aftermath. rat a tat tat mofos.
I'm right there with you, johnny. I think we could evolve. I think we should. Do I think we will? LOL. nah. but that's why I have a secret compound high in the mountains of central america, where we grow lots of food and build community.
The point for me is that people make the choice to provide meds at a low price every day to those who are needy, now it might not be the dankest kush buds, it might very well be some airy popcorn from some AK99 but it is meds. So why are we still talking about this? Because some think that all producers should be forced by some entity to sell their meds for cheaper. Go that route and I think you will find a lot of people creating compounds well out of reach of the looters.
Lol I don't think anyone here is out of control. As far as I know I don't even think anyone has been warned by a mod in this thread. Lol.
sure we could. some of us are on varying levels. but most aren't. most are too drugged up on pharmaceuticals their shrink gives them, poisoned food, poisoned thoughts via TV and other media. I'm only speaking of the collective misery. Starve America for 3 days and see what happens. It would be worse than a post apocalyptic zombie movie.
You've got the cause and effect completely bass ackward. Greed and selfishness existed long before any economic system, and will persist in even the most Utopian system available. The currency of the greedy and selfish may change, but trading is hard wired in human nature and will occur no matter whether you like it or not. It is precisely why Socialism doesn't work as a general system of government, it gives no allowance for this integral part of being human. You've also misdefined Socialism, but so many do that it's hard to keep track of what people mean by the word.
pugnacious
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Out of the 600+ clubs in LA. I wonder what the criteria for the first wave of raids will be. Because we all know LA does not have the resources to raid and arrest every club owner in LA county or city. Actually.. you piss off a DA enough and he could get those resources.. Even if it takes him years.
The club Im associated with has been established since 06. Before the memorandum.
But what about the clubs that were established before the memorandum and got booted by their landlords because of the DEA letters? Does there new location count as a new club or are they safe? Im pretty sure any 2 bit lawyer can argue it. But on paper I wonder how the DA would interpret it.
I know the DA wants ALL dispensaries closed. I wonder whats going on behind the doors of his office. Is he getting allot of shit? How is he logistically going to pull this off. Which wave of clubs is going to get hit in the LAPD mortar attack?
The club Im associated with has been established since 06. Before the memorandum.
But what about the clubs that were established before the memorandum and got booted by their landlords because of the DEA letters? Does there new location count as a new club or are they safe? Im pretty sure any 2 bit lawyer can argue it. But on paper I wonder how the DA would interpret it.
I know the DA wants ALL dispensaries closed. I wonder whats going on behind the doors of his office. Is he getting allot of shit? How is he logistically going to pull this off. Which wave of clubs is going to get hit in the LAPD mortar attack?
i don't think anybody (individual person) should be forced to do anything, but what you're saying is that the market should ALWAYS be the arbiter of cost and accessibility. I disagree. In Bolivia, a corporation tried to take control over all the water rights in the country, including the criminalization of rainwater catchment. What would you pay for clean water? What could I charge if I owned it all? Needless to say, the people, led by the poor majority, won a Socialist electoral victory that brought an indigenous coca farmer to the presidency.
In a (closer to) just economic system where money is earned in a supply and demand paradigm, regulated by government free of the influence of capital, and taxed fairly, there is a health care system that takes care of our health. that could mean paying people to grow and distribute ganja to patients. like pharmcos and pharmacists in the current healthcare paradigm.
First, for the sake of the argument, we have to decide what we believe to be our rights as human beings. Does every person on earth have a right to the clean water that exists here? Do we have a right to healthcare in a society that spends hundreds of billions (of its citizen's tax dollars) on killing people?
I say yes to both questions. Water should be free and accessible to everyone. Health care should be socialized. Electricity should be (at the very least) regulated by some body in the name of the people. Look what happened when the california grid was deregulated. The smart c*nts at Enron used it to steal billions from california power consumers... I still haven't met a person who doesn't use electricty.
Once you accept some examples of where regulation of capitalism might be a good idea (derivatives trading, anyone?) you accept that the whole thing is up for revision. No pure ISM is ever going to meet the needs of a society as big as the capitalism is building.
To say that market forces should control the price and accessibility of EVERYTHING is socially retarded. Again, neither socialism nor capitalism will work for us all. Its likely that the DNA of the two, recombined to form Voltron, would serve our collective needs much better. There is this place called Europe. It ain't perfect, but they have a better handle on the balance between socialism and capitalism. (Or at least they did during the 5 years I lived there in the 90's.)
Even Alan Greenspan (chairman of the fed through the last 2 decades of deregulation) is admitting that his Reagan-era idea of completely unrestrained capitalism was faulty. He didn't account for... wait for it... greed. Makes me laugh so hard that, before i know it, I am crying.
Greenspan said: “I have found a flaw. I don’t know how significant or permanent it is. But I have been very distressed by that fact.” Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) then pressed him to clarify his words. “In other words, you found that your view of the world, your ideology, was not right, it was not working,” Waxman said. “Absolutely, precisely,” Greenspan replied. “You know, that’s precisely the reason I was shocked, because I have been going for 40 years or more with very considerable evidence that it was working exceptionally well.”[64] Greenspan admitted fault[65] in opposing regulation of derivatives and acknowledged that financial institutions didn't protect shareholders and investments as well as he expected.
from wikipedia.
So essentially, the very guys who wrote the theory (Milton Friedman's Chicago gang) and provided the academic legitimacy for filling the US citizenry with their deep (and blind) hatred of anything "socialist" are saying... "Oops" a couple of years before they kick the bucket.
OOPs. Maybe its time to rethink the whole "FUCK YOU if you infringe on my capitalistic rights" ideology.
Wow, you actually say that as if it were true.
Megas
Member
http://www.dailynews.com/food/ci_13553659 Where is the thread on this I can't find it but this article is relevant here.
