Neem Oil Virginity Lost, Regrets Start Next Morning!

[Mr. Greengenes]

The green light neem has some kind of surfactant in it, pretty sure. Don't really need the soap. I think even safer brand insecticidal soap is pretty rough on leaves, so I always leave them in the dark an hour or so, then respray with water to rinse. As far as mixing the pyrethrin, soaps and neem against the 'borg', I think it's better to rotate through them, so the little mutants don't get a chance to evolve around the whole cocktail at once!

One trick that helps to prevent transpiration blocking is just to spray the undersides of the leaves. This only works when the mite population is still small enough that they prefer that area to the tops. If you keep battling them on the undersides, they'll just keep trying to repopulate that area rather than spreading to the rest of the plant.

 

[PuReKnOwLeDgE]

I agree with Mr/greengenes, I have used safer garden and neem oil, I always rinse a couple hours after application.

 

[LolaGal]

thanks, I think mine will survive, but not a neem oil fan after seeing the results!

 

[otherwhitemeat]

Greenlight has a surfactant in it already. You wouldn't need to add soap. I use this brand all the time. Even so, 1/4 tsp? Ay Caramba! Like said before one drop maybe, but not needed at all for Greenlight. Hope it at least killed the bastards!

 

[Bumble Buddy]

The vapor is what makes it safe.
Remove the strip, from the room, bag, cabinet, etc, put it in a "turkey bag", turn on a fan, and it's safe for humans in minutes.
Keep people and pets away from it when it's killing with a, well, vapor barrier.
It kills and is gone with a breeze.

The Dichlorvos residue is left on surfaces by vapor deposition. It is chemically similar to nerve agents developed for warfare, with the same neural effects.

Pyrethrium rapidly breaks down to harmless, and tasteless components.
Fresh air and sunlight will rip it apart in a week or three.

Are you sure all that pyrethium broke down in those insecticide soaked buds? Got all those nooks and crannies aired out? I wouldn't care to experiment with that, thanks.

Ignore me and its OK, I'm just a nobody. Ignore the empiric data (hopefully not supplied by the pesticide industry or the government cronies in their pocket) at your own peril.

 

[LolaGal]

I think it did kill em all off! A few plants don't look too good either, but I think all will survive!

Thanks for the tips.

I will rotate through the neem, and the pyrethrins, and see if I can get them out of the grow!

 

[itsus]

if your gonna clean out your room after harvest fuck the neem altogether and get some bleach........spray your room, then spray it again, and again. hit the cracks and shit too. if you don't have any plants in there then go to fucking town!

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Bumblebuddy, you are gonna have to cite your sources for me. Dichlorvos is as benign a pesticide as we can buy. It is neutrilized almost immediately when in contact with water.

You are spreading an unwarranted scare, IMO.
If you honestly feel they are hazmat material, you apparently haven't looked very deep into dichlorvos...OR you have only accessed sites on the web that have their stock and trade in trying to spread unwarranted warnings.

 

[LolaGal]

will that do better than anything else? Cause that is what I have planned. Empty bloom. clean, put new plants into bloom.

I will do some bleach solution spraying too.

That pyretherin really stinks indoors and it seems to smell like that for weeks after spraying. Ya'll notice the funky smell?

 

[LolaGal]

i dunno hoosier daddy: I used some of them no pest strips once a few months ago and ever since then when I smoke that no pest strip weed, i just go crazy and flop around on the floor...

I think it is pretty damn harmless myself, and really the only thing one could really use around buds. Even then I try to avoid them last 3-4 weeks before harvesting.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Neem oil is very effective is used correctly. Stuff stinks though.
You can get neem already diluted and in a spray bottle from Garden Safe, at Walmart. Sold as "Fungicide3", which is nothing but a neem oil emulsification. Neem is also very effective on fungal problems, as well as a miticide. But I never use it after flowering starts.

Once buds are forming, I use Spinosad, which is not as easy to get, and is not cheap, but works very well with no after-anything at all. It all breaks down, and is OMRI.

The home remedies should be avoided IMO. So easy for folks to get the instructions and ratios wrong from the internet. 1 drop per gallon is all the surfactant any application should ever need, (if it ever really needs it), and that gets turned around into teaspoon/quart...and a persons grow gets hosed.

 

[LolaGal]

yes, it seems every time I use the search feature to research something, I apply the wrong advice to my grow.

I read recently to use soap, but I have learned my lesson.

Too bad I forgot to change my clothes after going in a commercial greenhouse.

I think those Amish laugh when they sell us plants with bugs! Mother's day turned into spider mite city! The Borg are trying to assimilate me. Resistance is futile!

 

[otherwhitemeat]

yes, it seems every time I use the search feature to research something, I apply the wrong advice to my grow.

I read recently to use soap, but I have learned my lesson.

Too bad I forgot to change my clothes after going in a commercial greenhouse.

I think those Amish laugh when they sell us plants with bugs! Mother's day turned into spider mite city! The Borg are trying to assimilate me. Resistance is futile!

Sarah Connor can beat cyborgs, no problem--saw this in a movie myself! Just use the sawed off!!!!

 

[unclefishstick]

If you need to use dishsoap,use Dawn,that's what they clean oil soaked critters.use neem in a spray bottle to spray soil as i get fungus gnats for free from my local greenhouse.

 

[LolaGal]

my half dead looking SourBubble plants are still alive this morning.

Karma gear did not seem phased by the assault. they are 4 footers in veg!

I think i killed the borg though! Almost kilt my Sourbubble too.!

Live and learn.

 

[Lt. Herb]

I recently broke into some Green Light Neem concetrate as well. Had t-storms take out my lonely YummyD and the fallen vegetation set up botrytis which of course spread (vectored via insects most likely) to the remaining ladies. I drenched them Sunday AM, and went back Monday afternoon with a half strength solution just to make sure I got all surfaces. Checked 'em 'round lunch today and their still kickin'. Will probably reapply on a 5-7 day schedule from here out, just as a preventative - the humidity this year ain't no joke.

Good luck with the borg, and remember, when all else fails, thermite leaves no trace.

 

[LolaGal]

You always crack me up with that thermite quote! rofl...

Fixing to go check on the Northern Armies, Lt.!

Col. Lola

 

[SativaFan1]

i just used neem oil tonight and damn does that shit stink ...i misted my plant and felt like i could smell it like 3 hours later and i had to take a shower cuz i thought i may have got a bit on my shirt i had to brush my teeth cuz i felt like i could still smell/taste the smell like 4 hours later i ended up puking cuz it made me feel sick as fuck...i hope it helps deter any more spider mites

 

[Sativa_Grows]

LOL when I saw the title I thought you used neem oil and lost your virginity?
I dunno I'm baked.

 

[diamondmine]

Neem oil is very effective is used correctly. Stuff stinks though.
You can get neem already diluted and in a spray bottle from Garden Safe, at Walmart. Sold as "Fungicide3", which is nothing but a neem oil emulsification. Neem is also very effective on fungal problems, as well as a miticide. But I never use it after flowering starts.

Once buds are forming, I use Spinosad, which is not as easy to get, and is not cheap, but works very well with no after-anything at all. It all breaks down, and is OMRI.

The home remedies should be avoided IMO. So easy for folks to get the instructions and ratios wrong from the internet. 1 drop per gallon is all the surfactant any application should ever need, (if it ever really needs it), and that gets turned around into teaspoon/quart...and a persons grow gets hosed.

You sound like you know what your talking about, how do feel about these neem products that are the "clarified hydrophobic neem oil's" and there separation from the azadirachtin. From what I read these neem oil products are merely horticultural oils. I know some say that there are other compounds or whatever that also act as insect regulators, but isn't this just a ploy that these companies use to make up for the missing azadirachtin. I do use greenlight neem, first time trying it and can't get "real" neem oil or I would. I can't tell whether the greenlight works or not, but plants are healthy so I keep using it. My question for you is have you been using it for a long time and can you say it's definetely not the same as vegetable oil. My theory is that greenlight takes the leftovers from manufactured azadirachtin and sells it as neem oil because what else can they do with the leftovers. Suckers like me who just hear the word "neem oil" and don't research it go to wally world and buy clarified hydrophobic neem oil WITHOUT az.