JOE CHRONIC's O.D. 2009 5 strains

[norcalsmoker]

thank you for quick reply..... makes total sense, I was thinking usually aug- sept was generally the time when they start to change. The 2 girls outside are new strains to me any how so it should be a great experience. Will have to start taking pics. Ty again and great garden have my seat in the corner.

 

[JOE CHRONIC]

I'm going out right now to take clones from my Early Skunks.
I am planting 40 of these next time as they are trees and will probably yield 3-5 lbs. each...

 

[nomaad]

why not wait till the full moon? clones will be more vigorous.

 

[JOE CHRONIC]

why not wait till the full moon? clones will be more vigorous.

I am 2 days away from a full moon, just wanting to get these girls vegging so I can put them into the holes as soon as I pull the others.
Gonna smoke another wreck fattie and think about it...

 

[JOE CHRONIC]

Well I was out late last night inspecting the girls and found out that one of my 8 foot Skunks turned Hermie on me, half the tree had pollen sacks all over it and I just ripped the whole bitch out of the ground, bagged it and tagged it before they opened up and gave me a whole new set of problems.
That girls was going to put off a lot of weight, man am I bummed.
I noticed it was different since day one but was hoping and praying for another outco9me.
Oh well, I have 4 left on the positive side.
nomaad, I took your advice and am taking clones tonite during full moon, glad I didn't clone that Hermie, lol...

 

[JOE CHRONIC]

Another Hermie from my Early Skunks from sensi seeds.
Overnight I found ball sacks on half the plant, half was still looking female but I yanked the whole bitch out.
The feeling in my stomach knowing I just lost another 2-3 books, ouch !
Anyone else growing the Early Skunk from sensi seeds having any Hermie problems, this is the 2nd one...

 

[nomaad]

Sorry to hear it Joe.

 

[JOE CHRONIC]

Sorry to hear it Joe.

Thanks nomaad,
I am so glad I did a few extra this year to cover the losses...

 

[Mr_Green]

hey joe what cause your ladies to die , i lost a gdp it looks the same exact way all wilted. i just couldnt figure it out. im useing fox farm nutes as well. not sure if its over fertilized or over water or what. just wondering what your conclusions were. thank mr. green

 

[Mr_Green]

also i have similar soil conditions as you.

 

[JOE CHRONIC]

hey joe what cause your ladies to die , i lost a gdp it looks the same exact way all wilted. i just couldnt figure it out. im useing fox farm nutes as well. not sure if its over fertilized or over water or what. just wondering what your conclusions were. thank mr. green

I lost a AK to over watering, one to a gopher and a couple of others to caterpillars.
The only way you will kill em using Fox Farms is if you give em too much Tiger Bloom as it will burn and kill your girls quick as hell if you O.D. em, just use recommended ratio on the bottle and all is good.
BIG bloom you really can't over do it, it's the Tiger you have to watch...

 

[Mr_Green]

thanks for responding joe, the aks that got caterpillars did they wilt then die or did they have other symptoms? im trying to figure this out. on the fox farm nutes i was also using open sesame as well which has nitrogen, tiger bloom and big bloom. i followed the feeding schedule that is recommended. thanks for the info man, and your girls look awesome.

 

[JOE CHRONIC]

thanks for responding joe, the aks that got caterpillars did they wilt then die or did they have other symptoms? im trying to figure this out. on the fox farm nutes i was also using open sesame as well which has nitrogen, tiger bloom and big bloom. i followed the feeding schedule that is recommended. thanks for the info man, and your girls look awesome.

The AK that died was from over watering, looked just like your wilting lady, exactly.
The others that died from caterpillars were trainwreck and 1 AK from a damn gopher.

I just got back from Oaksterdam and scored a couple Purple Kush clones I just threw under the floro and going to Mom those girls out...

 

[beer batter]

Your garden was and still is inspiring and its nice to know if I had no way of getting AO that FF which I can source locally can do great things still -I never thought about foliar feeding w/the stuff when I used it. Caterpillars in July WTF -that’s unpredictability right their

 

[beer batter]

Fox farm also recommends you feed with every other watering on their pdf feeding schedule for soil http://foxfarmfertilizer.com/soilfeed.pdf -the only fert I would use every day is their big bloom, made from worm castings and kelp it their only true organic fert but I don’t use FF anymore. "Use Fox Farm Big Bloom™ in conjunction with other Fox Farm nutrients to relieve plant stress, unlock unwanted salt bonds and allow for increased nutritional flow. Note: In Coco this process is especially helpful, as Coco has a tendency to retain mineral salt build-up."


I was reading a fox farm manual that came in a box with some guano I ordered and they say too much salt in the soil can dehydrate the plant. It has to do with the plants ability to uptake water -that has directly to do with the plants ability to transpire or release moisture from foliage. It talks about how allot of their fertilizers contain inorganic nutrients and how when it comes to inorganic fertilizers quality matters. It said what’s most important is everything you feed your garden must be carefully balanced to deliver nutrients to plants while avoiding the buildup of salts and other toxins.


I think organic ferts still leach organic salt but some brands may have far less effect and could be more effective at higher rates, I stopped using fox farm cause their foods contain in-organic ingredients. I hate to see it in so many organic searches, I have to think if tiger bloom is their primary bloom and grow big as their grow then flushing the pots for built up salts is a must -I use age old outside and don’t flush my grow bag at all, feed every day, a mix of borrow and earth juice bloom and age old grow w/indoor perpetual recipes. -Im comfortable teas wont cause unhealthy build up and feed every day amending soil before planting indoors and out, I use a mix of age old grow and biogrow to veg indoors -just age old grow outdoors. To bloom I mix bio bloom bio grow and earth juice bloom, with 10ml ancient amber per gal -outdoors I use guano with nitrogen and phosphorus primarily for transition (amendment worked into the soil under the layer of mulch) and then feed age old bloom 75:1 for 15 min a day.


This season imp on a crazy budget and had waited a week just to order plant food some times, so I mixed some of the bio/juice I use indoors as a quick fix until I get eh next jug of AO grow. I transitioned mixing the bio/juice mix with age old then to using just age old. These are for sure 3 compatible organic nutrients - I don’t recommend mixing any other brands but I’ve not my work w/these and never alternate with water and fertilizer -I have regard for balance when forming my recipes and feeding extra nutes when my age old has been out for a few days an im looking at 10+ more days of 15min irrigation every morning -basically randomly flushing after heavy N doses but only cause we then had to wait for payday, I could probably go with less nutes @ 100:1 for the the rest of the time but were gunna bite the bullet and keep up 75:1 -lead with a strong pimp hand. That means going threw about a gallon a week, but it pays off in the end.


Also condolences on the fallen soldiers, I had a gopher attack 3 diferant times this year. Finnaly I dug a trench down to the hard clay 8" or so and put 4-5 ft of 1" x.5" cage fencing down their. It should stop them from coming back, I will add cage-fencing 1.5-2ft deep around the perimeter of the garden next year -make a trench with my pickaxe. I even had 2 mole movers the sucker dug right by and up to the stalks again -I use safer caterpillar killer religiously and last year had over 650grams of tops come down a month early completely infested w/bud worms -like Swiss cheese, had silk all over it and everything.


Making it worse I had sprayed it just the night before or the night before that, so I had to make a decision taking the recently sprayed plants (safe’s cat killer and serenade) or leaving the tops up and letting the caterpillars eat more and more of my meds. -I decided if the earlier spraying was not enough to kill 'em then it wasn’t enough to harm so or me 20 days later after dry/trim and cured in a turkey bag. -It was premature and didn’t smoke right but got worked into grade A hash and AA edibles, I’m glad I took action and saved all the infested tops before the where rained on and rotted out or had any more poo in them and worm damage -it looked like the plague, strange thing is their was the same problem 150 miles north of here. I only had 1 girl lost thankfully (I veged 4 plants since early Feb. indoors so its a pain running into unexpected losses) the first couple years I only had to worry about rot during the rainy season, the last couple of years i've noticed some bud worms last year was the worst though. -It also was a new strain I started growing that attracted more worms, I dint have any problem like this before growing this taller -sugar cain/hash/floral smelling girl


Its also harder spraying the taller girls, get some help holding the ladder steady lol


over watering is a pain, even more so w/other problems like gophers cause they can would the plant making infection more likely -I mixed soluble root enhancer with the dry soil watered it to moisten then packed it in the void under the stalk as thick as my wrist -the first plant had a void underneath and all the way around the base of the stalk -this last one still had a root branching but was 85-90% chewed up all around the stalks base. -Their after my 5,6 month old GDP's.

My partner had problems last year. I’m comfortable w/15 min each morning -he tells me he irrigates every other day allowing a day of controlled drought when doing it manually (hose hooked up to young mixer, after problems last year he's irrigating by hand this year) -I think it was the 20min a day that led him to over water last year I used 10min but this year stepped up to 15. He used sprayers, I use shrublers. -Back in May, June and 105+ heat I added another 10-15 min irrigation around 2-4pm to cool 'em off next year I will hose them down with water instead to cool them off and re-hydrate. -Gophers are on the look out for new sources of water is my theory -they could since my irrigation maybe, its mostly buried under some dirt to keep it cool and out of the way but the first attack the tunnel followed my 1/2 poly line around a plant and right up to the 2nd one in.

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

The early skunk I believe finishes faster in colder climates like Canada. I know up in butte county(I have a lot of experience with that area) the climate can get pretty hot even though this year is very nice. I think because of our longer warmer days the flowering time is substantially longer. I could be wrong. I do know that any of the "early" strains dont usually produce fire around these parts. I have never had a good run in with them. Stick to norcal genetics and you will be fine. Fuck Canadian and Amsterdam genetics. Not that all of them are bad, we just have better shit here in norcal that is more suited for our climate.

 

[JOE CHRONIC]

Your garden was and still is inspiring and its nice to know if I had no way of getting AO that FF which I can source locally can do great things still -I never thought about foliar feeding w/the stuff when I used it. Caterpillars in July WTF -that’s unpredictability right their

Thanks Bro...


beer batter, wow...

The early skunk I believe finishes faster in colder climates like Canada. I know up in butte county(I have a lot of experience with that area) the climate can get pretty hot even though this year is very nice. I think because of our longer warmer days the flowering time is substantially longer. I could be wrong. I do know that any of the "early" strains dont usually produce fire around these parts. I have never had a good run in with them. Stick to norcal genetics and you will be fine. Fuck Canadian and Amsterdam genetics. Not that all of them are bad, we just have better shit here in norcal that is more suited for our climate.

Ya I like the trainwreck a lot,
I am looking for a early finishing skunk...

 

[fisher15]

Lookin solid Joe, keep it up we're getting there...

I think we were going through the same thing with the overwatering. I had one very small branch on the bottom of a big plant completly wilt on me. My first thought was gopher as well. Put my spike in and got to thinking...for sure it was overwatering. The branch was on the low side of the planter (I'm on a slight slope) and just those associated roots musta got drowned. Also saw some localized droop on the tops of others for a few days. Think that cold spell a couple weeks ago was to blame, that's when my problems began.

 

[nomaad]

fisher, are your planters inhibiting drainage? I feel like these smartpots are excellent in that department.

I had a droopy plant after that cold spell. took a long time to stop drooping but accomplished a pretty nice stretch while coming out of it.

 

[try comb]

fisher, are your planters inhibiting drainage? I feel like these smartpots are excellent in that department.

I had a droopy plant after that cold spell. took a long time to stop drooping but accomplished a pretty nice stretch while coming out of it.

it seems like the most growth occurs rite before they need a water...........with larger plants it seems a bit more difficult to gauge when they NEED water.......it always seems to be a finer line the larger the plant regarding under/over watering.....