Reversed Backcrossing:)

[englishrick]

STS works well......but i like the idea of using Hormones with GA3.....i want to see big donky dicks with 100`s of balls,,,i dont fancy crushin a bud to yeal "naff all" polen.......

from what ive seen C.silver is not the best,.... STS and GA3 is better

 

[englishrick]

Ummm, no, that would most unexpected.

Selfing sits quite comfortably at the round table of techniques in the breeding of outcrossing plants, and if that table had corners then selfing would likely be sitting at one of the heads of the table. There are cannabis lines in existence that breed true for these complex traits (so it seems to me that we are not talking about quantitative characters) and they have been bred via selfing for many generations. One that comes to mind is a Northern Lights strain that has been in my neighborhood since the dawn of indoor growing - and so it seems that it is also possible for cannabis to hold up fairly well under this breeding scheme. I don't know man, as I said, I intend to dabble regardless of what anybody says as I believe I have seen ample evidence in favor of this being a viable path. I'd advise to be critical of results and charge ahead with the understanding that we may resurface empty handed.

grate...

hay chimera....bring it on!,,,,,,

i cant wait!

 

[englishrick]

col...what do you think about "Reverced Backcrossing"?,,,,,,

is this a bad idea?,,,,or will it chill the extreem divercity an fix traits like im hoping it will??

 

[Kal-El]

Rick, am I correct?
You want to make feminized seeds and backcross them to chase a certain trait?
If this is correct, it's nothing new. If this is not correct, I am not understanding it then.

 

[englishrick]

Rick, am I correct?
You want to make feminized seeds and backcross them to chase a certain trait?
If this is correct, it's nothing new. If this is not correct, I am not understanding it then.

yeh, i think you understand what im sayin.............the only thing i want to point out is: when i say "Reverced Backcross" ,,i mean: the Backcross is actualy done by revercing the main mother and using its polen on some of her progrency

but "REVERCED BACKROSSING" is only 1 part of a more important project, you make it sound like im 1 of many bro,,,,id love to see someones work on this stuff,,,,im finding it so hard to reaserch, ive decided to do it myself...


in the first part of this thread i said.....

"Through Revercing, i hope to develop homozygote cannabis seeds,,,,,,,, hopeully i will be able get both sets of chromosomes identical,,, and the traits i want, WILL BREED TRUE!!!........."

when have you ever heard of anyone setting themselvs that chalange .....appart from Clarke himself .???...

my theory with "Reverced Backcrossing" is that it will limit phenos ,increese hybrid vigor an Fix traits too,,,,this all sounds good,,,,,NOW I just HAVE TO PROVE IT

 

[Colina]

Hey again Rick,

It does not matter if you are "reversing" or not. Backcrossing in itself will not fix any traits that are not already fixed in the recurrent parent.

I believe Sam has done quite a bit of this type of breeding (selfing) and has indeed at least partially reached these goals you speak of. That is to say, I believe he has bred homozygous lines regarding cannabinoid profile via the selfing route, but I could be wrong.


Hi Benji,

My thought is that the more mild methods/chems should not be used, and neither should plants be used that reverse easily by using these more mild techniques - if intersexed traits are to be avoided. I believe it is probably best to use STS.

 

[BENJI]

STS looks very complicated so does reversing using other methods i think ill just stick to finding stud males...

Rick good luck with your project i hope u find what your looking for ill be watching out for your results...

 

[englishrick]

but is "REVERCED BACKCROSSING" actualy a backcross........im thinkin the "Reverced Polen" is actualy more like "incrossed polen"..........am i wong?


yeh,,,sam didnt like my ideas too mutch........

he didnt believe it was possible, when i said a male had poped up in a fem seedine "SSH x OGKA",,,even tho ive got the male myself,,,an i can see and smell the OGKA in there

he basicly said,,,,XX seedines are no good!,,,,,,,,,,,sam seems convinced XY seedlines are ultimately supirior, an males may offer something special that we dont want to miss by playing with the chromozones in our lil way ,

but since ive spoken to sam, my ideas have become more focused, an now my overall goal is mutch clearer to me.........the idea of makin homozygote seedlines trough "SELFING" is a valid choice,i think...,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

an bringing it back to an XY seeline is the last step ,,,,i bet he would love that,,,,,,,,, wonder what he thinks of it all now...

 

[Forest20]

Hey rick i was just think this.. what if you select four males the vert them to fem ,then get two females and vert to male and cross out the two? I hope you got that then select out of three from the offspring?

 

[Forest20]

Ok fem vert get fem seeds... and male would get male seeds but would those male seeds be revert to P2<P3>P1 to see mutantation in males not in females right?

 

[Forest20]

I saying would this method cut down on repeatabilty down the road?
The reason i am saying this is because in female vert can also produce males seeds as well.

 

[englishrick]

Hey rick i was just think this.. what if you select four males the vert them to fem ,then get two females and vert to male and cross out the two? I hope you got that then select out of three from the offspring?

im pretty sure its not possible to get males to bare seeds,,,,sam did a thread on this,,,.......http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=99597.

sam has a wickid method to make males grow calax,,,,,,,,,,but the only good use for this, was to test the resin,,,,,baring seeds on a male plant was deemed imposible by sam,,,"i think"

that thread was amazing,,,,,,that was where i learnt about YY seedlines

an sam told me to go read a book..




hay col,,,,Check out McSnaplers "EASY GA3 SPRAY IDEA".............but you say STS is better!!???.....im inclined to believe you

Got an email back from the UK GA3 place.


From what the dude says, I'd say it was a reasonably safe bet to go with one of these capsules per 500ml spray bottle of water, store any spare solution in a cool, dark place and use within 48 hours or so.

Obviously he's talking about other uses of GA3, but what he's saying is probably reasonable to apply to our use in essence - it's not a chemical which is going to burn the plants, but a hormone.

Judging from what people are saying, both on this thread and other threads on the net, about how often you've gotta apply to your females, I reckon this product..
http://www.plants-a-float.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=260
..the pack of ten, should be plenty to do one run.

Obviously, because I've not tried this, and because of my limited general grow experience, don't take my word as gospel. If this wasn't my first run, I would experiment on a little clone, but I need all the bud I can get right now!

this was the reply McSnappler got back from the GA3 capsule company .........i like the way it explains how GA3 is a Hormone....hormones are goooooood

each capsule is filled by hand which does affect the weight, but all are filled to the same level in the capsule, so should be about the same.
The amount is the minimum quantity, as will all the trials and tests done on the plants we have tried, it is not an exact science.
Most measurements just state 'dip a match stick into the powder to 1/8 inch. the powder stuck to the stick will make up 150ml.'
Ga3 is not really a chemical, as its a natural hormone powder found in mushrooms. The dilution guide is a 'guide' as the only main problem is with very small seeds, that if left in the solution for more than a few days can disolve.
We tested carnivorous seeds/exotic and tropical seeds and found that even when soaked in double the concentrate for 24 hours had no ill effect on anything we tried, its more the soaking time than the quantity,as most seeds can only absorb a certain amount in the given time.
Hope this helps.

 

[englishrick]

full respect to McSnappler..........you have grate ideas bro

 

[GMT]

can we see the plants that you plan to work with?

 

[englishrick]

untill lately, ive only grown 1 plant since 2006,,,,,,i didnt see the need in mothering more plants.....

but lately ive been craving new flavas, so now im mothering anything good, or on par with cheese

its all Cheese

 

[GMT]

Lol you celebrate xmas early there don't ya

 

[englishrick]

that was my prezi last xmas,,,,,,

 

[Weedninja]

STS looks very complicated so does reversing using other methods i think ill just stick to finding stud males...

Rick good luck with your project i hope u find what your looking for ill be watching out for your results...

Breeding with males and females is soooo 2008.

 

[danny karey]

I say go for it Rick, I don't think what your thinking of doing has really been done before, or at least I havn't heard of this idea before.

I think it would be a great test, trying different things is a great Idea, not following the norm or the accepted is how we find out new killer techniques or methods or strains, experimenting is great.

Keep pushing that envelope Rick, it may just take us somwhere where no one's been...........

Im pulling up a seat for this, whether it works or not, great idea to try different things out, ya never know........

Keep up the good work Rick, Im glad to hear that your gonna go ahead with this, regardless of what other people think.

Danny

 

[englishrick]

have a look at this,,,,,,,,,,i had to wipe my eyes.......have a good look at this post capt,,,,,,honestly lads i was crying

gota give capt credit

And then there was 5...

Well what I mean by this is I'm putting a lot on the back burner(i.e. back under 24 hours of light)and only plan to concentrate on 5 hybrids right now...When I am able to stock the Boutique with these 5 I will move on to some of the other stuff...
I've been putting in major time and I'm seeing the light in consolidating my venture into something much more manageable..
All the pollinations already done will be at seedbay when ready but for now most will be one and done hybrids ...

Here is a list of the 5:

ChemD X OGK(SFV)
ECSD X OGK(SFV)
White X OGK(SFV)
(Fire X OGK(SFV))X Fire(limited release of 100 or less packs per)
ChemD X Fire Kush

The males above are subject to change to another OGK male if proven to give superior offspring....With all the SFV X Fire seedlings and the last of the BX1 seeds growing I am bound to find some strong new canidates for the male side of these hybrids...The male above stinks to high heaven and looks like the SFV cut in veg..Offspring are killer but there is always a stronger plant to be found through the planting of more seeds...


Growing out seed is one of the main reasons for conslidating my work area to allow for more seed grows...Will be looking through fresh Neville's Haze very soon and hope to find something special...Fingers crossed..

Many outdoor sativas will be grown this season as well and will post pics as the outdoor grows progress...

Take care all.................................CC

looks like capt released the idea beffore me,,,,,,,,i wonder how long he has been thinkin of this ,,,ive been thinkin of this for ages,,,,,,,im sure he was ready for giving up the whole XX chromozone thing last month...



capt....i cant believe it......