Making it thru withdrawal

[maryjohn]

I haven't read the whole thread, so someone may have already said this...

If you are using MJ to self-medicate, quitting MJ can seem like physical withdrawal because your underlying problem is back in full bloom and you aren't used to it anymore.

Right now, I am manic and I smoked all my pot. When I am manic, I don't even get stoned in the normal sense, but it slows things down for me and I am at least functional. Now that I am out of pot, I am having trouble eating, I am not sleeping, and I have been very aggressive and irrational. Risperidone gives me some intermittent relief. Don't believe me? read some of my recent posts.

Pot is not physically addicting. That's a fact.

Another fact: the physical dependency on a substance is only a part of what we call addiction, and not a necessary one at that. That's why nobody gets hooked on nicotine gum. Take away the smoke, the catch in your throat, the cellophane, and the act of sucking, and you only have a very mildly addicting product. Plenty of products are addicting but do not cause physical withdrawal, like pot and gambling, but one cannot look at the substance outside of the behavioral context.

 

[FREEwoman]

OK, I'm a gonna hep ya out. Reach into your trousers, find yer boys, and getta a fucking grip on it. Your psychological addiction withdrawl is in your mind, once you get a grip, it is easier to control. Yes it sucks, but it is not withdrawl. Get to work.

H

Well said! I'd give you rep if I could.

 

[boroboro]

yea since your a selfish bitch like you would know what anyone else feels or more importantly:give a shit...
your entitled to your opine,but each of us is an individual with differing amounts of functioning brain chemical,it would be lacking objectivity,subjectivity to summarily dismiss anothers symptoms be it physiological/mental,or even pyschosomatic.
compassion is the basis for humanity so some of you I wouldn't spit,piss on if you needed water.

Objectivity? Differing amounts of brain chemicals? I think Pythagllio was being objective, if perhaps a bit terse and scatalogical. Where is the objective evidence for physical withdrawal from cannabis?

 

[maryjohn]

Objectivity? Differing amounts of brain chemicals? I think Pythagllio was being objective, if perhaps a bit terse and scatalogical. Where is the objective evidence for physical withdrawal from cannabis?

none. there is no physical withdrawal.

but addiction so much more than just withdrawal and chemical dependency. "all in your head" is the biggest load of shit, and a really heartless thing to say to an addict. There is no boundary between your brain and your body, and being on one side or the other does not lend validity to a condition. Your brain is part of your body, and "all in your head" is just as real as "all in your kidneys".

That said, pot is pretty damn harmless, but really pleasurable, so just because you crave it does not make you addicted. I would call it addiction when it is seriously affecting your life and choices and you feel out of control.

 

[Pythagllio]

yea since your a selfish bitch like you would know what anyone else feels or more importantly:give a shit...
your entitled to your opine,but each of us is an individual with differing amounts of functioning brain chemical,it would be lacking objectivity,subjectivity to summarily dismiss anothers symptoms be it physiological/mental,or even pyschosomatic.
compassion is the basis for humanity so some of you I wouldn't spit,piss on if you needed water.

You keep pointing out that I'm a selfish son of a bitch as if I should be ashamed of that or something. You need to know I put that designation up, it's true, and I wear it as a badge of honor. But regardless, it has nothing to do with the fact that your position is horse shit on its face.

 

[Pythagllio]

That's why nobody gets hooked on nicotine gum.

You should watch Don Imus chewing that gum constantly. He's been doing so for years. More likely explanation for less people using gum to satiate a nicotine addiction is expense. That gum ain't cheap.

 

[bigdaddyc9]

I'm on 480mg of Oxycontin daily.Let me tell you about withdrawl.It first makes me cry and then it turns to a non-stop vomiting,then the coup de gras....the backdoor trots like it was pure water.I go into withdrawl even if I am a couple hours short of dose time.The only way I can eat,anything,is with weed.And that sucks cause NY isnt med friendly yet.I live in total fear every day for my choice of medicine that really works for me.By the way I have Fibromyalgia x Myofascil syndrome and brittle diabetes on top of degenerative joint disease and IBS/Colitis.Fun huh? Peace and One Love BigD p.s. never ever had withdrawl from weed.

 

[PharmaCan]

howd you take vicodin for years without learning to spell it.

Good question - lol. The stuff I was taking said "APAP" on the bottle, not Vicodin. It's Vicodin with less Tylenol in it so it's better for long-term use.

PC

 

[FREEwoman]

"all in your head" is the biggest load of shit, and a really heartless thing to say to an addict.

maryjohn - "All in your head" is not the biggest load of shit and being honest is not heartless. I should know. I absolutely have the right to talk about addiction because I have been through the real deal. Let's see... for about four years straight, I ate at least 80-120 mg's of oxycotin a day, an entire script of xannie bars in a week or so (I can't really remember, ha) and just about any other pill I could shove down my little throat. Needless to say, I know exactly how withdrawal feels. Complete despair does not even come close to describing it- couple that with your entire intestinal tract being in shambles, your brain a big chemical stew and karma kicking your ass for being so irresponsible with your life and your body- and you really have a hell hole to climb up out of. It took me a LONG time to climb out of that hole, and many don't ever make it.

Weed is a friggen plant. I have been smoking since I was a teenager and I always liked to smoke a lot. Of course when money or availability posed a problem, then I had to go without. I may have bitched about not having any herbs, but I just moved on with my day and eventually forgot about it. There was no other choice. Not once did I EVER experience any type of physical problems from smoking and/or not smoking weed, never has my mind been clouded or erased and never has it ever caused me an ounce of depression and hopelessness. So if you are experiencing "withdrawal" from a weed plant, then it IS in your head.

One thing that I have learned a lot about during my journey through Rx land, as well as my journey out, is how to use the power of intention to be one with nature and myself. The power of intention helped me to destroy my life, and then helped me to piece it all back together. What you are continually intending (thinking) is what the universe will throw in your path. I thought about nothing but my wish for pills for so long that I always found opportunities to get more more more. So if you are thinking that you are going through withdrawal (when you know that there are no true harmful chemicals present in your body and thus no true physical afflictions) then you are more likely to feel like crap! Try thinking and believing that you are fine. Do activities that take your mind off of it and that work towards making you feel the way you want to feel. Go hiking, paint a picture, exercise... anything but sit around and dwell. Either way, addicts (or non addicts) sometimes need a dose of reality and honesty. If you think you are addicted to weed, it is all in your head. That is because you are dwelling on not having any weed. Dwell on something else. Easier said than done, yes, but with practice it is doable. For those who think intention is a load of crap - go watch the Secret and, if you take its lessons seriously, I promise it will change your life. I thought it was not possible until I gave it a true shot.

nephilthim - It is not lacking subjectivity to dismiss this person's "weed addiction" because, let's face it, we all have smoked weed on this website and 99.9% of us know THROUGH PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (subjectively speaking) that you do not suffer withdrawal symptoms from weed unless it is totally in your head.It is not lacking objectivity either. This is because, aside from my personal bias, the collective consciousness has known (due to experience and research) for a long time that weed is not addictive and does not cause physical withdrawal symptoms. Those of us who have overcome true mind-altering addictions can tell you without a doubt that weed does not cause true withdrawal. I'm not dismissing any of this person's feelings simply because they are psychological. I am acknowledging their feelings, and then the letting this person know that they ARE psychological and very easy to overcome if you pay attention to reality and work towards feeling the way you want to feel. Anyone with psychological problems can learn to change their brain. It's called neuroplasticity.

Also, "I wouldn't spit,piss on if you needed water" doesn't sound very compassionate. Practice what you preach.

Pythagllio - Way to go. Not very many people understand the value of being selfish. Unfortunately, not many people understand the definition of selfishness either. Most compare selfishness with greed and lack of morals. That is not the case. First and foremost, an adult person is responsible for himself and his own well being and happiness. He is never responsible for another's well being and happiness. Of course, once in a while others will need help and assistance, however, helping them out should never be looked upon as a requirement nor should it be expected. No matter who tries to argue against me, it is a fact that EVERYTHING a person does is selfish and is in his own interest. Can you think of anything that is not? Even helping/giving to someone in need acts to give satisfaction to the giver/helper by making them feel 'good'. Just think- if everyone could be selfish (as in responsible for their own lives and happiness, without expecting a damn thing from anyone else) then everyone would be self sufficient and have way less problems and way more time to help others during the occasional times that they do need help. Giving a damn about your well-being and happiness is far from greedy or immoral; in fact it is just the opposite. Ultimately, you must take care of yourself before you can take care of anyone else. It is pretty hard to deny that selfishness, coupled with honesty, is the basis for a prosperous, responsible and healthy society - without leaches. We are far from that society today.

bigdaddyc9 - I could not imagine 480 mg's of OC's a day! I thought I was crazy taking just 120. In all honesty I may have tried to down more if I had the money and the supply. However, I truly feel for you. In my case, I did not need my painkillers for pain so I was able to leave them behind once I finally beat the addiction. But you need these pills. You cannot just stop. Weed did play a large part in helping me overcome my withdrawal. It slightly tuned down the pain and depression. I have a very loving and respectful relationship with that miracle plant. I'm sure you do too. I hope nothing but positive things for you!

 

[maryjohn]

Freewoman, the grand flaw in your theory of addiction is the false assumption that everyone else is created in your image.

It is entirely possible for another person's brain to be wired in a slightly different way, and thus have the potential for addiction to any number of things that pose no risk for you.

Also keep in mind there is always someone worse off and better off than you, so telling me you've had it worse doesn't really give me much to go on.

 

[Snagglepuss]

withdrawl

withdrawl

all people are wired differently..thats a good point...Well here's how my withdrawl is going...

I was at 40mgs methadone ,i wanted out of this really bad.So each week i tapered 5 mgs per week.It was very difficult to deal with the drops each week in medication.

But nothing compared to stopping at the last 5mgs and walking away.
Im now on day 9 ,the 1st 4 days ,i felt as if i was in a car accident,severe back pain,all muscles sore and throbbing,u can't do "anything" except lay on the couch.

Then around day 5 ,i could move around a bit,no more body/muscle aches,heavy psychological changes,im thinking ,this is great im pulling out of this,Ehhht wrong!!!
Day 6 and 7 ,i wake up to massive headaches for 2 days,i tried to go to work ,But left out of their,as even with the headache lowered by asparin.I was unable to concentrate/focus on anything let alone working ,then by noon my stomach started tightening,and the extreme fatigue keeps going.

So today is day 9 ,i woke up feeling much better than usual,no headaches,but still some fatigue.I went and had "white" for last night ,cause i didn't want to take "any" amount of opiate to stop the sickenss.Its worked very well ,but 3 days my body will probably de-energize again..oh and don't forget the hershey squirts..

I gotta say besides my divorce,this is the 2cnd hardest thing ive ever done.
But words to live by" "This too shall pass" .....Now i completly understand why detox is recommended in a medical setting,a person not willing to suffer "Alot" could never do this on their own...

 

[UnknownProphet]

I didn't want to read through all the stupidity but you're not addicted, you're actually just an idiot. You blew 75k hella money in weed when you supposedly have 1400watts going? Dude I have been smoking since '97 steadily and heavily, even worked at a cannibus dispensary for 2+ years and made great connects that gave me quality and quantity. I recently quit and have no withdrawls, I still have litterally tons of meds that stare me in the face, but I'm not fiending like a fecking crack head.


Basically you are a knock. Nuff said.


Damn that was the first mean thing I've ever said on this site or OG when it was around, but well deserved.

 

[UnknownProphet]

The same people that will rob ppl for coke are the same ones that would hold you up for a blunt..

This has to be one of the most insanely ignorant things I've ever read in my entire life. Who would rob some body for a (singular) blunt...once again you sir are a blight on this site.

And for those saying it effects everyone differently, yes that is true, but this kid is just not a example of that. Because he says he had the "best" meaning more than likely grow expertly more than likely organic, if not at least flushed correctly. Now you can get a chemical addiction, but an organic one? No not possible.

Last but not least I saw some people arguing saying you can't blame him because it's in, or just in, his head....you know what your right either way because he's weak mined.

Actions, things (like marijuana), people, and situations do not create the physical and mental effects that cause stress, anxiety, and in this case withdrawls. It's your choice to react to them according to your personal beliefs and ideals. That's an ancient Buddhist believe that I truly think has merit and if you don't you may be weak minded too.

Ok I'm done now an I'm out....

 

[Sir_Nugget]

This thread is not for those of you that are not going thru withdrawal.. When youve smoked as much cannabis as consistently as I have for the past 5 years.. If you've been as high as I have for the past 5 years, then try quitting cannabis and not having any effects from that..

Gypsy Nirvana started this website because he went crazy from withdrawal.. weed withdrawal can cause irritation, hunger, and irrational behavior just like other drugs.. although I have yet to even quit smoking weed, I will say that quitting smoking weed is not as hard nearly all other drugs...

I be as high as a kite on weed all day and still pass my classess.. take my weed away, and I have a hard time doing anything because im spazzed out from "withdrawal" like symptoms.. I've seen ppl going thru weed withdrawal in class, and I can say that what I go thru is similar.. I get the shakes, I sweat.. I cant eat (shuv food down mouth), so I dont poop.. This can go on for weeks if i dont smoke some good bud...

weed is a drug, and a drug is anything that we take to get high, drugs are addicting

can any1 name a drug that is not addicting, thta is worth taking? (besides shrums)

 

[UnknownProphet]

You made no point and are still blindly ignorant to the fact your just a weak minded kid complaining about how bad you got it. You fucking make me sick, my friend is going through hyper chemo as we argue over this nonsense and is he complaing? NO, he calls me and asks how I'm doing. He's got his shit together and has smoked more weed than you can ever imagine at 33 and smoking since 16. Great, no fantastic herb, that you would never get no matter how much money you shell out cause it's personal stash he grows. And knock like you only get weed that people want to sell. Remember Pineapple express where he busts out the shwag bag, yeah you be getting that from me all day. Then you go on to say you "cultivate" and have one pic of a haggard little plant with all it's health fan leaves ripped off. You ain't doing shit, but whining about being over privileged kid. 5 years of smoking?!? give me a break your new to it and acting like you've been on a glass dick or intravenous drugs and are willing to commit crime to support your habit. Get off your high horse, get off this site, and go and get a damn hobby or something.

Better yet try pussy, you think weeds addictive....shiiiiieeet.

Before you comment back to that I don't care, you opinion to me at this point is like the teacher in Charlie Brown. All I'm hearing is WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP, but you're probably too young to get that. And I'm next to positive you haven't pussy unless that you paid for that awell. Because I couldn't imagine a woman that would ever want to be with some one so retarded. I actually feel bad bad for retards, you being lumped in with them and all, but hey at least the have a real excuse.

 

[UnknownProphet]

You smoke the "best" huh? BItch please...

I was a judge for the cup this year this was the winner just so you know I'm not bsing I'll put some of my growth up.

....aww is this making the poor wittle baby fiend?

 

[UnknownProphet]

You should expect Ashton Kutcher at your door any minute now....cause you just got punked.

 

[UnknownProphet]

ahahaha i just notice you dissed my rep Ooooohhhh nooooos what in the world will i do now? Oh yeah just stack up from the three others who already added right before you and the two after you; meaning in a span of about 30 minutes 5 people agreed and you (1) didn't. Your the odd, no weedtarded man out.

 

[SuperConductor]

UnknownProphet for the win! That was epic lol

 

[shack]

Hi all, I've been smoking weed for 20+ years,heavy at times.
I recently had to stop smoking due to an employment issue.
Its been 21 days now without a single hit.
It is tough,its mostly mental for me.
I didn't have any physical withdrawl.
But I've been hammering the cigs like a mad man.I know thats not good,but I gotta do something to get me through this.
Good luck to all you have to go through this.