Original Haze hybrids and psychohaze phenotypes

[RingtailCanyon]

I couldn't agree more with @OldCoolSativa about the narrow leaf extremist view, also how the long flowering plants get better in cure, but the indicas degrade quickly. Maybe we're spoiled but the punto rojos and Lumbo crosses have all been good IMO, there's no hay or trash in there. On the other hand, the Acapulco Gold I tried was severely lacking in potency and it was narrow leaf and ultra long flowering. hardly any oil to it. Resin on the veg stems should be another selection point along with narrow leaves.

I think the longer flowering plants can also have small amounts of CBG because of the new growth stages of buds. especially when harvested with white pistils still.

I like bandaid7, It's got a nice nose tickling aroma after a good cure. it's not quite as incense as I hoped. But typically I reach for the punto rojo or simply irresistible before BH7.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Some examples of where I've been finding Nirvana. Stringy, floof buds that you won't find in a dispensary, don't have to trim, and you smoke the stems but only need a pinner.
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I wonder about, but sold in a dispensary in Oregon.

Purple Haze #12
(OH90 x THH x OT1 x OH)

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Seedsman OH ibl metal selection, grown by NLD extremist @elanius

 

[MAHA KALA]

AW #6, Haze poly hybrid I’m messing with, retains the 70% or better female ratio of THOHaze. This one came down last night, most all 10 weeks this month. Was expecting 12wks or better, this gal has cloudy, clear and ambers at 74 days.
like any haze hybrid, guy is trying to get that hazy toke into a heavier bud. I like the haze plant frame, want a big stretchy open plant, with a tight hazey bud.

KKSC, is afghani x Haze, just took it for granted we all knew that.

nice work. respect and thanks for sharing.

 

[MAHA KALA]

this is a juicy woo rooted clone from seed mom. I had the seed plant nicely trained with 4 main colas ready for flower and my dog got into the flower room and knocked over a couple plants and bit off one of the colas and damaged the stem on the juicy woo so I decided to flower the clone. bad dog ! Anyhow, here is the clone in a 1gal container going into flower in next couple days. I just hope I can contain her in my room as I only have about 7 feet of clearance which is why I trained her with multiple top originally. On the bright side, I now have three nice colas to make clones from in the event I get a nice blue haze pheno.

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we have to forgive them dogs.

looks good Jahaze. keep us updated.

 

[MAHA KALA]

Not here, dont worry Maha, I know there is no love for Kush in here lol)

try to post here some haze fucked up by kush and I will kick your ass hahahaha.

I became extremist too lol

no, you are not, as you are growing kush haze and hawaiian diesel. nld extremist would not grow it, as it is not narrow leaf enough, and cant post in on internet telling everyone that "the more narrow, the better it is".... and feel special about it LOL. dont think it is your case-

if I would send you my blue diesel, I am sure you will grow it normally just like your blue diesels.

I sent my blue diesel to one nld extremist, and I will not repeat this mistake again. he totally fucked it up(while it is very easy to grow) as his prejudice about "the more narrow, the better" was too strong.

I was the same, when I was not so well oriented in genetics. more narrow the better, but it is really only prejudice and nothing more. great example of it is super Laos or toms haze.

 

[MAHA KALA]

I couldn't agree more with @OldCoolSativa about the narrow leaf extremist view, also how the long flowering plants get better in cure, but the indicas degrade quickly. Maybe we're spoiled but the punto rojos and Lumbo crosses have all been good IMO, there's no hay or trash in there. On the other hand, the Acapulco Gold I tried was severely lacking in potency and it was narrow leaf and ultra long flowering. hardly any oil to it. Resin on the veg stems should be another selection point along with narrow leaves.

this is complete misunderstanding of what I or DM said. nobody talked about some hay. nobody talked about indicas vs. sativas. wake up! I was not talking about 10 weekers at all, like OCS and not sure why he started to talk about it. nobody talked about 10weekers. LOL

what we are talking here is that exceptional pheno of 90days hybrid, which is not so hard to find like to find exceptional pheno of pure nld.. is better than most above average phenos of nld line and even better than exceptional pheno of nld line tortured and improperly grown indoors. talking about indoors, do you get it?

but now what hybrid? am I talking about some 50% sativa hybrid? no, I am talking about sativa dominant hybrid, not kush haze. if you are not hunting that exceptional pheno, and only grow those average ones and you are satisfied with it - it has nothing to do with this debate.

for me those average ones are not worthy. I respect that for you it is okay.

it is like those nevilles haze lovers will state that nevilles haze is better than original haze, well I criticized them for it. because exceptional pheno of original haze beats it. but properly grown!!!!!!!! not screwed indoors in some little stupid pot. on the other hand because nevilles haze has, due to northern lights presence, more adaptation for indoor envrironment, I understand why they say it, they didn't find exceptional pheno of Ohz, or they were not able to take it to full potential. I have some understanding for it.

I dont believe anybody who states, they can grow 22 weekers properly indoors. unfortunately these guys have no comparison to growing it in warm climate.... so they think it is good, so I have understanding for them, but I have comparison. so I have to state 22 weekers indoors is total nonsense. I understand that if you cant grow it greenhouse or warm climate, you have no other chance that to grow it indoors, but that it was grown really properly, I doubt very much.

 

[MAHA KALA]

if I would be silly nld extremist, and extremism is really silly and even unhealthy I think. I would post somehting like this pic and add comment like 130 day stuff is the best shit etc...

but I am not extremist and I dont judge plant according to leaf shape and I have to state that this 90 days pheno or original haze hybrid is better. not all phenos were like that, but this exceptional pheno is better than most average phenos of original haze.

 

[MAHA KALA]

when I think about it in that extreme and very simple logic, that longer flowering it has, better it is, that 16weeker is worse than 24weeker, I wonder that nobody bred 32weeker, wait why? so little, why not to breed 50 weeks variety? it would be much better than 24weeker and leaf could be really thin, like 3mms wide or less? then when smoked it could shoot out some nld extremists to the moon or further. less of extremists, better for planet Earth.

 

[Chi13]

this is complete misunderstanding of what I or DM said. nobody talked about some hay. nobody talked about indicas vs. sativas. wake up! I was not talking about 10 weekers at all, like OCS and not sure why he started to talk about it. nobody talked about 10weekers. LOL

what we are talking here is that exceptional pheno of 90days hybrid, which is not so hard to find like to find exceptional pheno of pure nld.. is better than most above average phenos of nld line and even better than exceptional pheno of nld line tortured and improperly grown indoors. talking about indoors, do you get it?

but now what hybrid? am I talking about some 50% sativa hybrid? no, I am talking about sativa dominant hybrid, not kush haze. if you are not hunting that exceptional pheno, and only grow those average ones and you are satisfied with it - it has nothing to do with this debate.

for me those average ones are not worthy. I respect that for you it is okay.

it is like those nevilles haze lovers will state that nevilles haze is better than original haze, well I criticized them for it. because exceptional pheno of original haze beats it. but properly grown!!!!!!!! not screwed indoors in some little stupid pot. on the other hand because nevilles haze has, due to northern lights presence, more adaptation for indoor envrironment, I understand why they say it, they didn't find exceptional pheno of Ohz, or they were not able to take it to full potential. I have some understanding for it.

I dont believe anybody who states, they can grow 22 weekers properly indoors. unfortunately these guys have no comparison to growing it in warm climate.... so they think it is good, so I have understanding for them, but I have comparison. so I have to state 22 weekers indoors is total nonsense. I understand that if you cant grow it greenhouse or warm climate, you have no other chance that to grow it indoors, but that it was grown really properly, I doubt very much.

Mainly replying to the last bit. I think it is quite possible to grow 22 week landrace, or NLD x's, indoors, and get almost the result you would outdoors. I have in the past grown outdoors in Australia, and indoors, the same variety and you almost couldn't tell the differences in highs, flavour yes. There are the odd very long flowering grows on here I can think of that carry this off very well, some tortured plants too, of course.

I love hybrids I have at present, DM' Laos x Mango, and have a few others I will explore. They are excellent and much better return for the effort, and resources compared to a pure, or landrace. However there are some effects that I think you just can't find in these hybrids compared to those possible in a long flowering pure or landrace.

 

[romanoweed]

I imagine Hybrids are even less profitable if you compare the ultimate power of a real, first Gen Tripweed Line . IMHO IMHO IMHO !!!
(Thats just for the Goal of tripping)

I puffed 3 Tokes and had effects like ayahuasca.. The 4 weeks less just to possibly not be on Ayahuasca anymore are not worth it..
Atleast i never heard someone having such experinces on anything else than real thin sativas.
but who knows it all, maybe you really can create ayahuasca weed with 90 Days Flowering.. or 100 Days. I dont care about that anyway

if i recall right there Are very few reports of people hallucinating on
1: Durban i believe a 10 Weeker
3: Afghani i guess 12 weeker

How truthful these reports are, i cant tell, cause i only read about each regions Tripreports once, and i dont put my trust into one single person usually.

the 10 weeker Durban was the most astonishing report of the bunch. He told he saw people that werent there.

But it didnt really sound as strong as my 3 toker Sativa-expereience.... Just from the feeling.. I mean i cant say if he told me everything he saw, but if thats all, it sounds weaker than my experience.. only hallucinations, NO CLAIM IMHO IMHO IMHO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[romanoweed]

In all honesty, i have never really heard anything as minblowing as pure sativa smokereports. IF i did, i would hunt it.

In pure sativa smokereports you find everything you find in ayahuasca tripreports basically..
And those you find only so often if you search the net so long and hard like me, and you wont do that, unless you experienced it before

 

[MAHA KALA]

Mainly replying to the last bit. I think it is quite possible to grow 22 week landrace, or NLD x's, indoors, and get almost the result you would outdoors. I have in the past grown outdoors in Australia, and indoors, the same variety and you almost couldn't tell the differences in highs, flavour yes. There are the odd very long flowering grows on here I can think of that carry this off very well, some tortured plants too, of course.

I love hybrids I have at present, DM' Laos x Mango, and have a few others I will explore. They are excellent and much better return for the effort, and resources compared to a pure, or landrace. However there are some effects that I think you just can't find in these hybrids compared to those possible in a long flowering pure or landrace.

yes, I dont believe you . I can compare my toms haze from indoors and greenhouse, I can say that potency is the same, but from greenhouse it is much more complex, it is more rich in terps, character of effect is influenced by terpenes content. so I say that from greenhouse it is much much better. not sure what I would add.

what you say I didnt see... I saw that one guy grew toms haze x black vietnamese, almost pure nld and then he grew grandfunk 15% indica and grandfunk looked much better grown. I cant say what terps plant produces or how it is potent from pics, but hell I can say if it is grown right or not from pics. so that what I usually see, that pure nld is much more problematic to grow properly than hybrid.

as you can read I wrote that hybrid of original haze cant replace exceptional pheno of original haze... I am talking about fact that exceptional pheno of good haze hybrid, I have no clue if you know some good haze hybrids, if you mean those dutch things - I dont talk about it at all - , that exceptional pheno of certain kind of haze hybrid - and again I have no clue if you have ever grown such pheno, is better than most average pheno of original haze, I wonder how many times I will have to repeat it. we are talking about exceptional pheno of haze hybrid versus just nice phenos of pure line. and we are talking how it is grown. so that for guys who grow only from seeds or have limited grow room, it is much better to grow hybrid(but again good hybrid) and find exceptional pheno of it easier than at pure line, and it is f2, it is as same as hard to find it as at inbred line.look some guys grew 30 seeds of toms haze, didnt find anything what I am talking about when I talk about acid haze, they found just nice hazes. while it is easy to grow good hybrid and find exceptional pheno in 15 seeds, which is better than those nice hazes.

I dont deny there are some master indoor growers, but very very few. most growers are like me and are not able to get it to full potential. and some only dream that they are able...

I think you overrate those landraces(I think that Skunkman stated that he grew many landraces, none of it was good like original haze - just another opinion different to yours, thats okay thats fine), I think that it is not so special like you state. the fact you grow laos x mango haze, it doesnt mean you got same phenos, I have 10 females to choose from, what was your number? and I think that Donald said to me that he thinks that laos x mango haze is better than both parents. so that means it is better, in his eyes, than super laos itself, so not everybody has same opinion as you. I dont know, I have never grown pure laos. mango laos is great despite the fact is still 25% NLskunk. which is quite a lot.

 

[MAHA KALA]

this is typical kush pheno of grandfunk, it contains 85% sativa and 15% indica. do you see that kush in it? it is not inbred(like Ohz) or it is not adapted only to one environment(like landrace), so it is easy to find exceptional pheno which can remind pure thai. yeah you can grow pure thai, I have no problem with it, good luck LOL I will grow GF and enjoy trippy weed. I dont see any lack of trippy weed. I am tripping on weed everyday, I dont look for it, it comes to me.

 

[romanoweed]

Im not claiming it cant be done , the 100 Day Ayahuasca weed. But i never heard a word about it..

And of corse i wish you luck, i think you would need to grow 10 000s plants, and be breeder. they all tell you you need high numbers

 

[MAHA KALA]

you are tripping or you are very hungry

 

[romanoweed]

So, if i understand you right, you tried to say that with Landrace Outcrossed F1 you get more trip out of it.. Like quantitaviely more trip per Pheno.

And im telling you, with a Landrace first Generation Seed, a good Pheno, take Cuttings share it wide, everyone has the Chance to get the highest.
It will be harder to grow probably, but its the only thing that i ever heard creating an ayahuasca high.

Im bit bewildered so few 70s Thais are handled exactly like that. Get reproduced in the highest possible order, PLUS first generation Cutting gets shared wide.

So, i know and share the fascination in this F1 VIGOR. Im totally onboard, but im even more on board with a first Gen. Thai cutting.

Im totally on board, that hybrid vigor is something great.. In my view, inbreeding depression happens, and the less the better..
And it happens already in F2, thats just my oppinion!!!
I feel that vigor is just an outstanding thing.. and probably can give you more Quantity, i know what you mean they are sometimes holding the trippyness a bit.. But i use different wordings, i dont use the word trippy often.. I just call most hybrids, even with small percentages Enhancers.. Its a cool enhancement, actuay im not shure if i smoked something like a 25, or 12, 5 PErcent outcross yet..

Cause for me , the various highest class Weeds compared, they either were downright scary. Like when everything feels like steel, and you feel like crying for help / or / some other weeds were ultimate psychedelic. I mean ultimate..
Its a very steep curve..
I never had something like a 12,5 percent Indica outcrosss then?

Probably.. I never had a "quiet ultimate" Experience , it was , the very occasional times, like 3, 2, 1 : GOOO fucking GO. All attention on the effects once they fludded on. Intense. (and each time this happend it was thin Bud)

Now lets look on most weeds:
Most times i smoked Weed it was like an Enhancement, just beeing high a bit, totally normal level. (i cant give Strainnames, it was all unknown bud).
There were different enhancement-like Weeds, some were , im convinced Landraces, very sedating, or toatally reaxing, so those were slightly touching this intensity.. But totally other league. They werent like mindboggeling..

Im shure they were landrace, cause i recall this deeeeeeeeply sedating bud.
It was quiet mindboggeling, but you know mindboggeling cant be "quiet" . It came the closese tho.

And there was the occasional Hybrid that made everthing feel like Steel, made my cry for mama it was like: ooh, oh, oh, .I could call it intense... i call it overwhelming..

so, acording my experinece, i alwas seem to put any ever so slight hybridisation, be it 25 or 12, 5 PErcent into a whole other category.. At times i find it very, like overwhelming, or sickening, or unnecessary, or dull, or scary....

Only pure Tropicals that i probably smoked were, like a lifechanging mindboggeling, way more : delicate, elegant, mindbogelling, intense, peaceful, helpful experience, that sticks in my memory on the first Rank, and i cant forget it, its like it happend now.. i cant forget it.
its unbelevable..
They were like "see everything" and "know everything", LOL, you knwo what i mean ..

They are very ON , and Present . The suspected afghani was closest , but a joke against it..

And my experience may be limited, but i seen a few stuff..

so, all i can say, you can try reach this PRESENCE.. but i think the presence you get from a 1st gen 70s Line is so hard to achieve..
Like said the most horrible hybrid i smoked , one could call it present too, but the scary horrible crying for mama didnt make me see it that way.. It never sticks in my memory.. Somehow the Presence isnt there.. Even if it was heartpounding too.. and my focus was ON, but not on the Effect, rather on trying to not freak out or make me look like the dumbest idiot..

ALL my subjective Oppinion. IMHO IMHO IMHO
And for Record, those intense Tropicals were intense and peacefull,, dont be shy, theyre the most anxietyfree weed i smoked.

 

[GreenAndFast]

Seedsman OH ibl metal selection, grown by NLD extremist @elanius
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Utterly fantastic

 

[elanius]

try to post here some haze fucked up by kush and I will kick your ass hahahaha.


no, you are not, as you are growing kush haze and hawaiian diesel. nld extremist would not grow it, as it is not narrow leaf enough, and cant post in on internet telling everyone that "the more narrow, the better it is".... and feel special about it LOL. dont think it is your case-

if I would send you my blue diesel, I am sure you will grow it normally just like your blue diesels.

I sent my blue diesel to one nld extremist, and I will not repeat this mistake again. he totally fucked it up(while it is very easy to grow) as his prejudice about "the more narrow, the better" was too strong.

I was the same, when I was not so well oriented in genetics. more narrow the better, but it is really only prejudice and nothing more. great example of it is super Laos or toms haze.

damn, some internet ass kicking sounds scary, btw once you cross Haze with anything its not Haze anymore. Using the same logic you fucked up your Haze, as you can never say everybody will like the resulting hybrid and Im pretty sure your opinion is not universal.

Anyway, you reacted to my sentence out of context. I dont really consider myself an extremist in any way. Im looking for balance, not extreme.
I was just kidding in regards of being disappointed with only 14 weeks flowering of OHaze pheno and that is related to my experience, in most cases the best high was found in the longest flowering NLD plants (not talking aboud hybrids) A lot of folks are reporting this pattern, hard to ignore it at this point. After all, the best Haze I found was indeed the longest flowering one, out of 16 OHaze females...I am not talking about leaf morphology at all.

 

[GreenAndFast]

Hopefully I got the best of both worlds here. It's an astounding looking plant. I can't stop looking at it. Acid beauty...