Original Haze hybrids and psychohaze phenotypes

[flylowgethigh]

I like thai haze skunk, I found minimal skunk in it, but it is still not good like toms haze for me...

yes, theoretically it is possible, it would be nice to have 70 days plant with psychoactivity level of real haze. but one thing I dont like on it and it is difference between F2 generation and F1 generation... everybody has to experience this difference on their own and we see people are experiencing it with so much popular NLhaze. while F1 gen was bomb for them, other generations are reported as watered down compared to F1 gen... mango haze is just not strong or psychoactive like original NL5haze for example... etc... simply there is some magic in first gen, which get lost right in F2... so thats why I prefer to grow F1 and do not plan to make any F2s... even creator of NLhaze himself didnt recommend to inbred his NLhaze, as he had knowledge about that difference.

thanks for inspiration which helps me articulating my thoughts Elanius

Can you elaborate on that? I may be growing some of that, or close to it, now.

 

[MAHA KALA]

Can you elaborate on that? I may be growing some of that, or close to it, now.

you can elaborate yourself in case you will grow cut of NLhaze F1 nexto any of those inbred NLhazes.

I am not interested in it. I just tried to explain situation to elanius. I was not successful probably.

I am interested in new and fresh forms of haze hybrids, not in inbred NLhaze... it is very hard to call it haze for me, as it lost so much from haze by that inbreeding.

 

[unnamedmike]

I dont see that for example SSH f5 x original haze would be that type of hybrid I am talking about. it is more kind of backross. for me it is more loosing some genes and locking them down, than unlocking, which I am trying with this haze hybrids. unlocking is expressed in freak phenos, which dont remind any of parent, or remind it very distantly.

High Maha

While in teory that could match, genetics is much more complicated than that. Actual haze lines, and nevilles haze work dont have close parentals. A very good example is Madmacs work with the doors*ohaze and doors*ohaze/ohaze.

 

[MAHA KALA]

High Maha

While in teory that could match, genetics is much more complicated than that. Actual haze lines, and nevilles haze work dont have close parentals. A very good example is Madmacs work with the doors*ohaze and doors*ohaze/ohaze.

yes, it is very very very close. and that's not theory, that is fact. I am sure of it.

and yes, I would never grow that. it is loosing very much from haze, like I said. any backrossing is like that. I did some backcrossing, I know it, it doesn't work so simple like people think. It is not back to haze at all. I dont think backcross is better than F1 hybrid. no way. my personal opinion it is not good work with haze... it is blind way as more you inbred haze(backcrossing is the most primitive way of inbreeding), more you loose from my experience, not theory.

that cross was made because of locking certain type of terps from doors... which was probably successful, but it is better than haze itself???? should I laugh? and definitely it is not better than proper F1 haze hybrid. and no, I will not grow it, as I am 100% sure of it. I would rather grow original haze instead of it or thai x haze, malawi x haze etc. much better imo. I have never agreed with such crosses, Mac can have different opinion and it is his way, I respect it, but I disagree. maybe it looks that I am only theoretizing, but it is based on what I experienced, as you know nevilles haze is also backcross, similar kind of.. and I know it very intimately and in the same way I know original haze, so I know what was lost that way - yet many still love NH as OHZ is uknown to them. any inbreeding of haze is very very problematic, on the other hand F1 hybrid is unproblematic, as it is not inbreeding/locking down genes. it is more opening it, but again I state no hybrid can replace original haze.

 

[unnamedmike]

yes, it is very very very close. and that's not theory, that is fact. I am sure of it.

and yes, I would never grow that. it is loosing very much from haze, like I said. any backrossing is like that. I did some backcrossing, I know it, it doesn't work so simple like people think. It is not back to haze at all. I dont think backcross is better than F1 hybrid. no way. my personal opinion it is not good work with haze... it is blind way as more you inbred haze(backcrossing is the most primitive way of inbreeding), more you loose from my experience, not theory.

that cross was made because of locking certain type of terps from doors... which was probably successful, but it is better than haze itself???? should I laugh? and definitely it is not better than proper F1 haze hybrid. and no, I will not grow it, as I am 100% sure of it. I would rather grow original haze instead of it or thai x haze, malawi x haze etc. much better.

We think differently, what is good I think, different ways of working, for whatever reason, gives different things. As an example your amazing hybrids, I'm a big fan

 

[flylowgethigh]

you can elaborate yourself in case you will grow cut of NLhaze F1 nexto any of those inbred NLhazes.

I am not interested in it. I just tried to explain situation to elanius. I was not successful probably.

I am interested in new and fresh forms of haze hybrids, not in inbred NLhaze... it is very hard to call it haze for me, as it lost so much from haze by that inbreeding.

Just asking about that inbred thing. I know nothing about hazes, and close to that about growing.

Diary - Run #6 Haze NL 87 under Mars 4800e - with control!

That's a handy piece of kit. I'm going all techy myself, after 25 years, I just bought a timer 😁

www.icmag.com

"The chlorose should come from the NL. That indeed is an inbred Dr Atomic NL. The '87 stands for the date Dr Atomic did acquire his first NL seeds in Amsterdam. That is how the generation of seeds I have selected the male from is the best described. Therefore the '87."

 

[MAHA KALA]

Just asking about that inbred thing. I know nothing about hazes, and close to that about growing.

Diary - Run #6 Haze NL 87 under Mars 4800e - with control!

That's a handy piece of kit. I'm going all techy myself, after 25 years, I just bought a timer 😁

www.icmag.com

"The chlorose should come from the NL. That indeed is an inbred Dr Atomic NL. The '87 stands for the date Dr Atomic did acquire his first NL seeds in Amsterdam. That is how the generation of seeds I have selected the male from is the best described. Therefore the '87."

I see it is from @JohnnyChicago, so it is first generation, could be good, I dont know. again you would have to grow some cut of NL5haze F1 from 90s next to it and judge yourself if Johny´s new version is better or not.

by the way, didnt johnyChicago find male in seedsman line, and that male is very close to A haze genetics? or I remember it wrongly?

 

[flylowgethigh]

I dunno. I'm just a dumb novice with a camera, getting to grow what may be some good dope. The word 'inbred' is being tossed about, so I chime in and ask.

If I made seeds, would they then be more inbred F2s?

I grew some Sensi NL5 Haze, it is pretty good but not any better than the KA5H or Haze Kali China I grew. I am working on the tent environment for flower, which is pretty 'leafy' currently, trying to make it more 'tricy'. As the environment improves, so should the dope. Comparing to my past runs isn't fair.

 

[NOREGRETZ]

2 plantas de dr grinspoon, hasta ahora no es lo que esperaba. Pense que tardaría una éternidad en crecer. No realice ninguna poda o lst porque creí que ramificaria como loca. Empezó su preflora al mes desde que las germine. Las crusaria con algún macho surreal pero dejaré esta cruza para la siguiente corrida hasta ver si vale la pena.. alguien a echo alguna cruza haze con dr grinspoon?

 

[MAHA KALA]

monstrous AB, huge leafs and thick stem, grows really quick and thick. flowers slim and slow LOL

 

[MAHA KALA]

juicy woo with its delicate leafs.

 

[RandyCalifornia]

2 plantas de dr grinspoon, hasta ahora no es lo que esperaba. Pense que tardaría una éternidad en crecer. No realice ninguna poda o lst porque creí que ramificaria como loca. Empezó su preflora al mes desde que las germine. Las crusaria con algún macho surreal pero dejaré esta cruza para la siguiente corrida hasta ver si vale la pena.. alguien a echo alguna cruza haze con dr grinspoon?

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I would love to make some OHaze X's with Dr. Grinspoon. I have heard, the latest Dr. G has been "modified" though and would want to find the right mom that resembled the old Quaze to cross with Original Haze males and keep the Ultra Sativa characteristics.
In my experience, the best buds for commercial are Sativa(NLD)xIndica(WLD), high is adequate to strong but not as good of quality. To me it's the longest flowering, floofiest, foxtailed scrawny, buds that have the best quality highs. Just my experience and thoughts not trying to influence anyone from their favorite cross or WLD.
From what I've seen, commercial seed breeding for the last 30-40 years has been for quick crops with fat, hard, buds for looks, quick profit and # of harvests/year That is not where the quality effects are.
The thing is, most people have never, ever, experienced anything that's a long flowering mind blowing high and that's because not many growers can bring a 14+ week plant to it's full potential and commercial growers are not interested because they can keep making $$ growing fast finishers that sparkle for your eyes but not so much your head.
Old heads know, those who smoked back when imports of well grown Colombian, Thai, Jamaican and all the other great imports from the 60's and early 70"s. But even Colombian and Thai and everything else became just regular "commersh" from crops taken earlier, mass produced, rushed harvests and not the same after the first mind blowing crops came in and created a following. Many old heads are still looking for that special ONE, some know what they are looking for because they have experienced that flavor and richness that took them on a trip they will never forget and will search for their whole lives. I sure have been.
From what I've seen the best weed I've ever smoked and loved was some of the humblest looking. Some of the ones that when a young person these days sees a pic in an old HighTimes and says "look at that shwaggy stuff they used to smoke in the old days"

 

[midwestkid]

THH from madmac. I've got my eye on this one

 

[RandyCalifornia]

Some examples of where I've been finding Nirvana. Stringy, floof buds that you won't find in a dispensary, don't have to trim, and you smoke the stems but only need a pinner.

 

[MAHA KALA]

it looks swaggy for two reasons, it didn't go through any breeding program that would improve it and it is result of adaptation to tropical environment. there is no relation between how buds look and how much psychoactive they are. no.

I found it in F1 haze hybrid, only 90 days needed. not really schwaggy buds, and the effect was better than most of those long flowering ones... better than panama, old timer haze or ethiopian highland. super strong, electric, very trippy scary, top euphoric. and all I needed was to pop 12 seeds. from cut it is grow able plant for most. no special extra greenthumb needed.

I also thought that only wispy schwaggy ones are those right and special. then I grew cross from @Donald Mallard and found out that even kind of commercial plant can provide top psychoactive high. easy to grow laos x mango haze. it opened my eyes and showed me how to work with haze to get solid bud and keep great high.

Thanks for that inspiration DM. much respect. anybody can cross thai with haze, get swaggy buds. but this work of mr. Wallyduck is what I call breeding.

 

[midwestkid]

I was thinking about this last night. Why do people seek density? I went through a phase as well where I was obsessed with finding the most dense flower. I have friends who make 90% of their judgment based on the density of the bud?

 

[MAHA KALA]

yeah but it is same extreme when people judge psychoactivity according how much swaggy it looks. it seems same extreme.

just judge it according to smoke/effect. thats all I can say to it.

 

[midwestkid]

yeah but it is same extreme when people judge psychoactivity according how much swaggy it looks. it seems same extreme.

just judge it according to smoke/effect. thats all I can say to it.

I gotcha...
So if you can see through the flowers and it looks like a broom people assume it's going to take them to outer-space?

My first original Haze was like that. I thought I was going on a journey for sure. 25 weeks at 11/13.
It's very dreamy though. And it has some optimism in it. So I guess it was worth the wait

 

[MallardDuck]

Okay after some time curing in a GroveBag Ill give a little report on the Mindblower haze pheno 1 the more colourful and dense of the two phenotypes.

As you can see lots of shiny trichome coverage and not the greatest trim job by me. Sticking my head in the grove bag and taking a big inhale... I get hazey oily metallic smell. I notice though that it smells musky/kushy almost from a distance of more than about 0.5m. It smells through bags. Not the smelliest cannabis I have had but no slouch in that department IMO in terms of how strong the smell is.

I find the high very similar to Mindblower Haze 3 but a bit heavier at the end. It still brings an onrush of electric energy feeling in my chest... but I find the burnout to come a wee bit faster. I gave some of this flower to a friend who has only been smoking dispensary cannabis (I know, I know not exactly a glowing recommendation)... she has sent me about 5 texts about how good it smells and how it reminds of of prelegalization cannabis here in Canada. (The AAA stuff you could sometimes get). I have got more compliments about this strain than any other I have grown in my modest 3 years or growing this wonderful plant.

I find I really like listening to music after a nice J of MB Haze. The music seems to swell in my chest and seems more.

Here are some MB Haze 1 clones I passed out to a friend that look ready to take over part of his 10x10. Topped multiple times. Sorry not sure how to flip them the right way around.

MB Haze is a lovely variety... I hope to find some space to run it again.

 

[OldCoolSativa]

Some examples of where I've been finding Nirvana. Stringy, floof buds that you won't find in a dispensary, don't have to trim, and you smoke the stems but only need a pinner.
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Spectacular. My kind of weed. What is it?