Old School White Widow

[Jayded]

Dinafem used Shanti's work in most of their lines.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Shanti did have the 2 plants to make the widow and may still have them i never asked but i know for a fact in the seed he gave me he told me 1 lot will throw out to the Sativa a different lot of seed with throw out the Indian side.

He never called the sativa magna rosa he just said it was a Brazilian sativa and told me the story of how he got it and how he got the indian line to.

I know for a fact shanti posted years ago stating GHS gave Ingmar a widow clone because Ingmar supplied them with flower so yea he did have a clone of the widow but he had clones of other lines that people smoked in the GHS coffee shop as he supplied them of flower.That dose not mean he created the strain.

I dont believe most of what comes out of Holland Dark Ingmar story sounds like bull shit to me seed in hand rubbed hash 1 seed then the story changes to 2 seed and we went from clone only to a strain he worked for 6 years.

Hempy remember wen I asked you if you was sure the south American was on the mothers side...an you actually got giffted seed so you know this.Do you know why I asked this ?

Well hopefully I got these the right way around....you might be interested to see that shanti claims he found the father in brazil an the mother in india......see wen people lie they always make mistakes or stories change...if you remember the original interview shanti had while they were all together still ghs.co......you may remember that shanti actually said the mullum(to me mullum shared quite afew similarities to hazeA) was used in the make up of breeding the white widow seedline.......you probably think that was some confusion about la nina maybe.....well la nina I think wasnt introduced till 1997/98.....any how la nina used a male white widow seed to the female mullum....but on the interview shanti goes as far as saying it was a male mullum used to develop the white seedline, wich is clearly different to la nina....then we come to this convenient thing in the new story post split as you can see in my atachments shanti says that both parents were already hybrids.....
The person who made the least money an noise in this...just kept growing...an battling laws in Holland...do you know the guy at one time was the only guy in holland alowed to grow huge numbers even wen the no seed production laws came in....he has fought countles court battles for the freedom of growing...even campaigned against people using chemicals on weed an then selling it in coffee shops.....the guy used to supply countless people weed for free to help with medical problems..its obvious he isnt about fame or money...yet people still mock him an his consitant story....evryone else in this white widow story just made money an became about egos an lots of bs...an cuz of it sold alot of seed.

 

[PennyDreadful]

Didn't have time to read all the posts but White Widow from the 90's period made me whitey also, and I wasn't a drinker but tried a joint with a beer and ended up comatose. It wasn't a pleasant high but I guess everyone was putting too much in the joint as we weren't used to it. The appearance I remember was huge nugs in the bag with the furry/velvety kind of appearance and very white/light/green, I haven't seen anything like it since.

 

[Cvh]

The only fact in the entire White Widow story is that all 3 parties agree it's a Brazilian X South Indian.

Who, what, when created this strain we'll never know for sure. None of us was there.

People are lying in this story, and this for ego/seed business.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

People keep missing the point or trying to find a way around wat shanti says in the interview clip put up....he clearly says ther was a clone an he made the seed versions to the clone....its quite clear being interviewed on film with his person fully exposed an being in Europe were the old community in holland already knew this, he told it how it is....he didnt come out an say others are lieing or that he went traveling an found the separate parents but clearly says he made the seed version to a clone....quite simple

 

[Cvh]

Didn't have time to read all the posts but White Widow from the 90's period made me whitey also, and I wasn't a drinker but tried a joint with a beer and ended up comatose. It wasn't a pleasant high but I guess everyone was putting too much in the joint as we weren't used to it. The appearance I remember was huge nugs in the bag with the furry/velvety kind of appearance and very white/light/green, I haven't seen anything like it since.

She didn't stole her name that's also a fact.

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

We need someone to do a grow and smoke report of Ingemars version here. If I had extra money I would gladly do it because I have no doubt like the other guys they are all playing in the same gene pool and he very clearly states fruity side is bred to. I would love it if I could find phenos like the tropical fruit floral ones I talked about. I think when I revisit White Widow in the future I will try his and seedsman side by side 10 females a piece should give decent idea. I am hoping I can find Flying Dutchmans as well when I can buy seeds again. Just shot my cash stash on seeds so far during pandemic bored.

EDIT:

When I do run them I will definitely be running this as well:

https://sjamaan.com/en/lemon-de-sjamaan-cannabis-seeds.html

This new White Widow variety is made with secret genetics. And with good reason: the white layers of crystals that cover this lemon smelling cannabis plant are abundant. The high is overwhelming and pure pleasure. Get ready for a new generation of White Widow.

Genetic background: White Widow X Mystery Widow
Type: Sativa: 60% Indica: 40%
Flowering time: 8-10 weeks
Height of the plant indoors: 150-250 cm
Suitable for outdoors: yes
Harvest time outdoors: September/October
Height of the plant outdoors: 200-350 cm
Cannabinoid content: high
CBD content: high
Effect: mentally high, stoned, high, energetic, clear high
Flavour: citrus, soft
Cannabis cups won: 1x Highlife Cup

https://sjamaan.com/en/peace-maker-de-sjamaan-cannabis-seeds.html

In times of uncertainty and unrest Peacemaker is here to calm things down. Share Peacemaker with friend or foe and unite. Although not many people have had the privilege to try this marijuana plant, it is notorious for its power of unseen proportions. Once you've tasted peacemaker you'll want to have this available anytime, anywhere.

Genetic background: Brazilian Super Skunk X South Indian White Widow
Type: Sativa: 60% Indica: 40%
Flowering time: 8-10 weeks
Height of the plant indoors: 150-250 cm
Suitable for outdoors: yes
Harvest time outdoors: October
Height of the plant outdoors: 200-350 cm
Cannabinoid content: high / extremely high
CBD content: high
Effect: physically stoned, mentally stoned, relaxing, sedating
Flavour: sweet, strong
Cannabis cups won: 2x High Times Cup, 1x Highlife Cup

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Has anyone managed to keep a good 95 /96 white widow around

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

Photo of my WWs from seedsman not too sure about the old school maybes give them a shout, Before and After.

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That looks very like the mid 2000's GHS version that I grew out once, very much unlike the real thing..Sensi had it (the real thing) until the swiss hemp raids and white label seeds under sensi i assume also was the real deal. Grew them out a few times over the years and bought sensi again in 2010/11 and it was different, some arb lemony sativa that was nothing special except extreme mold resistance. As windows and other describe it, indica leaning in a stretching sativa like plant with huge leaves and extreme resin and a high that would knock you off your feet and make you sit your ass down. The first time I smoked it I felt like I had a hit of mushrooms and was glued to the couch for hours. Mentholly cough syruppy, if I would imagine hard maybe grape in background but way back, was a long time back, it tasted of THC..It was a smoke you remembered if you smoked it and if you grew it, it kept a special place in your room or cupboard back then until it was lost for whatever reason. I miss it. One of the OG chronics!

 

[@hempy]

Hempy remember wen I asked you if you was sure the south American was on the mothers side...an you actually got giffted seed so you know this.Do you know why I asked this ?

Well hopefully I got these the right way around....you might be interested to see that shanti claims he found the father in brazil an the mother in india......see wen people lie they always make mistakes or stories change...if you remember the original interview shanti had while they were all together still ghs.co......you may remember that shanti actually said the mullum(to me mullum shared quite afew similarities to hazeA) was used in the make up of breeding the white widow seedline.......you probably think that was some confusion about la nina maybe.....well la nina I think wasnt introduced till 1997/98.....any how la nina used a male white widow seed to the female mullum....but on the interview shanti goes as far as saying it was a male mullum used to develop the white seedline, wich is clearly different to la nina....then we come to this convenient thing in the new story post split as you can see in my atachments shanti says that both parents were already hybrids.....
The person who made the least money an noise in this...just kept growing...an battling laws in Holland...do you know the guy at one time was the only guy in holland alowed to grow huge numbers even wen the no seed production laws came in....he has fought countles court battles for the freedom of growing...even campaigned against people using chemicals on weed an then selling it in coffee shops.....the guy used to supply countless people weed for free to help with medical problems..its obvious he isnt about fame or money...yet people still mock him an his consitant story....evryone else in this white widow story just made money an became about egos an lots of bs...an cuz of it sold alot of seed.

Hi Dark well i have the seed in storage so not looked at them in some time i never said the South American was the mother side or if the Indian was the mother or father side in the widow.

What i posted was in the white family lines like white shark white Rhino so on the father was always the widow male used shanti has posted that made no secret of it.

Shanti has posted many times saying if you put NH next to mullum growing side by side out doors you would find it hard to pick whats what now if you saw the Nl5HzA you would know why he said that.

 

[@hempy]

People keep missing the point or trying to find a way around wat shanti says in the interview clip put up....he clearly says ther was a clone an he made the seed versions to the clone....its quite clear being interviewed on film with his person fully exposed an being in Europe were the old community in holland already knew this, he told it how it is....he didnt come out an say others are lieing or that he went traveling an found the separate parents but clearly says he made the seed version to a clone....quite simple

Dark shanti has posted Ingemar was given a clone to grow to supply the coffee shop with flower Ingemar supplied the flower people smoked in the GHS coffee shop that is no secret.

I did the research on the widow around the late 90s i read researched it all back then and all roads lead to shanti not Ingemar.

One of the most popular widows after the shanti /GHS line on the forums 20 years ago was the Pacific WW.

Ingemar version was not even as popular as even the blue widow let alone the GHS or pacific version.

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

Has anyone managed to keep a good 95 /96 white widow around

98 aloha widow only one I know of.

Screw a cut imo. This a dutch classic that was everywhere and there is no way it is not still preserved through the traditional people involved in its making...

What I want to know is who makes the best white widow and hybrids, mainly white rhino and gws? I would prefer fems just to take a peek, but regs are just as fine as long as worth going through.

 

[Maple_Flail]

98 aloha widow only one I know of.

Screw a cut imo. This a dutch classic that was everywhere and there is no way it is not still preserved through the traditional people involved in its making...

What I want to know is who makes the best white widow hybrids mainly white rhino and gws? I would prefer fems just to take a peek, but regs are just as fine as long as worth going through.

i'd be looking at Nirvana's gear.

White castle (wwxice) and Chrystal (wwxnl) I've seen done well recently.. never ran them but if i was looking for fem indica leaning widow hybrids.. Nirvana

Sativa side.. Dinafem, I adore their moby dick (#1 version not the #2 rework) and their White siberian has been solid for my buddy in the past.

 

[Stocktont]

I would love to see anyone get seeds from black Afghani hash made the old traditional Afghani way. If you know how they made the hash and pressed it though things and heated it up you'd be less inclined to believe that there were many seeds coming out of that type of hash and even less so that would germinate. Maybe hand rubbed but I have never seen it as why I say maybe yet I hold it highly unlikely to find two so different lines of seeds in the same kind of hash.

It comical to see so many people that “know” what happened between other people in their transactions or relationships so many years back. Do you know as you were one of those people or did you read it from some one who read it from someone who read it from some anonymous handle on the internet? Playing identity politics won't bring any “truth” or “facts” out but it will fuel this discussion a few hundred pages more. I would find it much more interesting to find out what is available today and which one is “the best” offering available. It seems that there were several types of White Widow reading everyone who posted in this thread. Some have fruity ones, some have afghani dominant ones, some have very “sativa” like plants and some have acrid and foul ones. Maybe we can't even come to a consensus to which one is “the real one” as we all seem to have a different baseline for that. Like the RKS debate that's been raging for decades I think this will go the same route.

 

[Cvh]

I have been eyeballing the Paradise Seeds Original White Widow IBL for quite some time.
Anybody have any experience with it?

https://www.paradise-seeds.com/nl/original-white-widow-ibl/

 

[HalfArsedFarmer]

We need someone to do a grow and smoke report of Ingemars version here. If I had extra money I would gladly do it because I have no doubt like the other guys they are all playing in the same gene pool and he very clearly states fruity side is bred to. I would love it if I could find phenos like the tropical fruit floral ones I talked about. I think when I revisit White Widow in the future I will try his and seedsman side by side 10 females a piece should give decent idea. I am hoping I can find Flying Dutchmans as well when I can buy seeds again. Just shot my cash stash on seeds so far during pandemic bored.

EDIT:

When I do run them I will definitely be running this as well:

https://sjamaan.com/en/lemon-de-sjamaan-cannabis-seeds.html




https://sjamaan.com/en/peace-maker-de-sjamaan-cannabis-seeds.html

I did grow 100's of his seeds, nothing like the GH cup winning version.

 

[Vaporbud]

First seeds I ever bought and the first outdoor grow in my place that I am still in. I found them online in either late 1995 or early 1996. There was very limited results back then searching for cannabis seeds on some ancient search engine cant remember what it was called, but I found aloha.nl. I forget the price but there were 10 seeds. I put 3 in the ground, got 2 girls. I wasn't too savvy on organic back then so I just watered and added miracle grow every couple weeks. The plants were very similar in pheno. The plants were vigorous and a bit lanky. Buds were a bit fluffy but very pretty . Very sativa dom effects, Very electric. I got about 4 lbs out of those 2 plants. I had a few people tell me it was the best pot they ever smoked. I watched a friend turn white and had to go outside and started doing pushups to overcome his extreme high that was slightly paranoid for some. He was a-type guy. I still smile knowing I got to him with that bud and he still brings up the widow! Grew some more a couiple years later, kept a male, made F2s and crossed with some bagseed. All those seeds are gone now given away long ago...

 

[Cvh]

First seeds I ever bought and the first outdoor grow in my place that I am still in. I found them online in either late 1995 or early 1996. There was very limited results back then searching for cannabis seeds on some ancient search engine cant remember what it was called, but I found aloha.nl. I forget the price but there were 10 seeds. I put 3 in the ground, got 2 girls. I wasn't too savvy on organic back then so I just watered and added miracle grow every couple weeks. The plants were very similar in pheno. The plants were vigorous and a bit lanky. Buds were a bit fluffy but very pretty . Very sativa dom effects, Very electric. I got about 4 lbs out of those 2 plants. I had a few people tell me it was the best pot they ever smoked. I watched a friend turn white and had to go outside and started doing pushups to overcome his extreme high that was slightly paranoid for some. He was a-type guy. I still smile knowing I got to him with that bud and he still brings up the widow! Grew some more a couiple years later, kept a male, made F2s and crossed with some bagseed. All those seeds are gone now given away long ago...

Here you go mate, I digged the 1996 aloha.nl website out of the Internet Archives.
This will bring you back memories I suppose. You can see the price from back then.

https://web.archive.org/web/19961227074457/https://www.aloha.nl/
(This is a snapshot from the website from 27 December 1996.).

And this is a snapshot from their shop.
https://web.archive.org/web/19971008155220/http://www.aloha.nl/shop.html

 

[Vaporbud]

Here you go mate, I digged the 1996 aloha.nl website out of the Internet Archives.
This will bring you back memories I suppose. You can see the price from back then.

https://web.archive.org/web/19961227074457/https://www.aloha.nl/
(This is a snapshot from the website from 27 December 1996.).

And this is a snapshot from their shop.
https://web.archive.org/web/19971008155220/https://www.aloha.nl/shop.html

That's so cool! Yeah, that's the one. Strongest plants ever created! I grew them 1996 season. Thank You!

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Was that web site something to do with nirvana.?..seem to have the same stuff as them around the time....the description vapour bud gives sounds like nirvana ww too.