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[tjo]

loipon paidia , exw merika pragmata pou thelw na rwtisw oso afora to hydro
Exw to eksis plano: Mia ntoulapa 80x90x220 me dio room (katw to veg panw to flower)
me mia 400w hps, o eksaerismos 8a ginetai me ena ejaerismo 420m pou tha einai se hxomonwmeno kouti kai diamesw trypwn pou tha yparxoun sto patwma ,sto tabani tou veg kai sto tabani ths ntoulapas (4x3 cm), H ntoulapa tha vrisketai se pisw aulh kai exei 11-15 vathmous me lampa svhsth...
Me 4 fita se hempy buckets tha mporw, me aquarium heater twn 25w, na krataw to xwma stous 21c ?
An exw to veg room anameno me 100w fluoros otn einai svhsth h hps tha mporw na katapolemhsw to kryo apotelesmatika ?
Exw TDS meter kai PH meter , yparxei kapoios pinakas gia feed se ppm gia thn kanavi ? to ph jekinaei apo 5.5 kai paei stadiaka pros sto telos tou flo sto 6 ?
kathe pote tha potizw ta buckets ? Me lift the pot ? h standrard kathe 2-3 meres ?
na xrhshmopoiw panta apoionismeno h einai ok kai to nero vryshs(150ppm)?
kathe voitheia tha htan kati parapanw apo xrhshmh euxaristw

11-15 bathmous einai ligo gia tin nuxta toys,mporeis na baleis ena mikro aerothermo-me thermostati- kai na douleuei mono otan peftei i thermokrasia kato apo to epithimito epipedo(20c).
o heater pou les DEN mpainei se xoma i perliti,-oi hempy buckets exoun perliti mesa- einai kataskeuasmenos gia na mpainei se nero.
ta 100w fluros de nomizo na mporoun na zestanoun to xoro toy flower an auto les..i ntoylapa einai ekso kai auto einai ena thema.
tha mporouses na baleis 1 i 2 futa se DWC koubades afou exeis sxetika kalo nero brusis kai ta organa metrisis..
me ton heater mporeis na exeis to nero ton koubadon zesto 24/24
stathera stoys 20c xoris na skeftesai ti thermokrasia exei to opoio ypostroma pou tha baleis.(xoma,perlitis)
to apionismeno nero einai kalutero bebaia alla den yparxei logos
na petas lefta gia nero otan mporeis kai me to nero brusis na kaneis eksisou kali douleia.
de ksero an boithisa katholou..

 

[Rondelia]

oxi apla voithises alla me epeises na apofasisw en telh an tha kanw dwc...
To skeftomouna logw oikonomikou alla lew an thes apotelesmata nomizw oti prepei na kaneis mia kapoia ependysh|(apo to gnwsto rhto: h xese h fyge ap'thn xestra)
to en logw systhma endeiknytai gia auto.
1-2 fita? oxi as poume 2 + 1 auto? den tha ftasei o xwros les ?
15-20 litra einai entaksei h parapanw ?
antlia 4w einai ok? an einai 3w ?
an exw thermokrasies nerou statheres stous 20-21c (me 2x25w heaters sto kathena)
einai aparaithto to aerothermo? (kaiei 1400watt)
Oson afora ta fluoros(4x20w), elega mipws mou anevazan ligo thn thermokrasia
(oti px tis nyxtes tou fytou (mera gia mas) apo 9c tha paei stoys 13-16c h kai parapanw me programma ston eksaerismo na kleinei gia na anevainei h thermokrasia ) auto mazi me to nero stous 21 tha einai les ok kai xwris epiptwseis sto yield?

na kai to palio se soil pou efage ta polla kria 40g evgale

 

[Rondelia]

aa ti lete gia auta ?
http://viewitem.eim.ebay.gr/REVERSE-OSMOSIS-UNIT-TROPICAL-FISH-MARINES-DISCUS/230638989863/item

http://www.ebay.com/itm/25W-25-Watt...ank-Water-Heater-/180678408170?#ht_6837wt_901

 

[tjo]

oxi apla voithises alla me epeises na apofasisw en telh an tha kanw dwc...
To skeftomouna logw oikonomikou alla lew an thes apotelesmata nomizw oti prepei na kaneis mia kapoia ependysh|(apo to gnwsto rhto: h xese h fyge ap'thn xestra)
to en logw systhma endeiknytai gia auto.
1-2 fita? oxi as poume 2 + 1 auto? den tha ftasei o xwros les ?
15-20 litra einai entaksei h parapanw ?
antlia 4w einai ok? an einai 3w ?
an exw thermokrasies nerou statheres stous 20-21c (me 2x25w heaters sto kathena)
einai aparaithto to aerothermo? (kaiei 1400watt)
Oson afora ta fluoros(4x20w), elega mipws mou anevazan ligo thn thermokrasia
(oti px tis nyxtes tou fytou (mera gia mas) apo 9c tha paei stoys 13-16c h kai parapanw me programma ston eksaerismo na kleinei gia na anevainei h thermokrasia ) auto mazi me to nero stous 21 tha einai les ok kai xwris epiptwseis sto yield?

na kai to palio se soil pou efage ta polla kria 40g evgale

kalimera
an thes na kaneis to xoro soy paragogiko kai to sustima eukolo pros xrisi tha sou proteina na kaneis na sustimataki rdwc me 2 doxeia..to doxeio poy tha baleis ta futa na MIN exei poly ypsos
alla na xoraei 40 litra nero-exei kati tetoia sto 1eroy merl1n kai einai maura- toylaxiston kai to allo doxeio(controller)
na einai enas aplos koubas(kai autoi ton xromaton 12l kanoun).
mesa ston controller exeis: ton heater kai mia mikri antlia nerou pou stelnei nero sto megalo doxeio(solinaki 4mm).
bebaia ta doxeia ennoeitai oti sunginonoune metaksy toys..
an pas se magazi pou poulaei ardeutika gia kipous kai xorafia tha breis oti xreiazesai..exei ligo doulitsa auto pou leo alla einai pragmatiki ligi i douleia kai o kopos se sxesi me tin eukolia pou tha exeis..
apo eksartimata theleis, 2 paroxes deksamenis(1intsa einai super)

exo fotografia sto proto post.
1 metro mauro solina 1intsa,4 plastika rakor,solinaki mauro 4mm-auto kanei kai gia tis aeropetres kai einai pio ftino ap to diafano-..
mporeis na ftiakseis kapaki apo fibran kai na to tulikseis me alouminotainia gia 2 futa i kai kai gia 3 an theleis..2 pantos einai arketa gia to xoro sou,de fantazesai tin anaptuksi sto dwc..
oso gia tin antlia toy aera na ksereis oti 1w/3,7litra einai to minimum,ara xreiazesai kati parapano apo watt.
to aerothermo tha fanei sti diarkeia an prepei i oxi na to xrisimopoiisis.eimai sigouros oti an deis ta koritsia sou na kruonoun de tha lupitheis to reuma. 13-16 einai ligo xamili thermokrasia gia ti nyxta toys,20 einai kala..to nero tha exei statheri thermokrasia me ton heater,auto den einai problima opos tha itan me to xoma i ton perliti,euto einai problima otan exei zesti!
to filtraki einai gamato..den exei megali roi alla gia ta dika mas grow einai mia xara se sxesi me tin timi toy.to proteino!!
o heater einai mikros gia auto pou perigrafo,a kai ksexasa na sou po oti an baleis heater mesa se kouba me rizes tote kais tis rizes..
oraio to futaki..autoflower einai?
oti boitheia xreiasteis sfura

 

[Rondelia]

κάτι τέτοιο εννοείς φίλε μου ?

 

[tjo]

κάτι τέτοιο εννοείς φίλε μου ?

an kai de to polu katalaba to skitso,den ennoo auto..
tha anebaso photos tis epomenes meres na sou deikso.

 

[Rondelia]

euxaristw gia ton kopo tha psaksw kai egw mipws se prolavw

 

[Rondelia]

auto to guide les na voithisei ?
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=26343

 

[ariston]

file rondelia tha xtiso seligo ena systima san tou blazeoneup, ton exw priksi kiolas me erotisis ton telefteo mina

oreo guide einai, dixni kiolas pos mporeis na kaneis ena systima me ta pio vasika stoixeia

 

[Rondelia]

egw file ariston ntaksei, exw psilokatalabei pws leitourgei to olo pragma alla
den exw kapoies leptomereies pou prepei na katalavw, opws:
- xwros 120x80x160(gia ta loipa blepe pio panw)

-me pernei na valw 4 gia na teliwsei pio grigora?isxyei auto?


-an to contoller einai katw apo to cabinet ,(me ta 4)
pws tha einai leitourgiko? (yparxei kanena design pouthena? den exw vrei kati san auto )

-mporw na exw 40 lt panw sto megalo bucket
h se dio dipla kai katw to controller me 18lt?

-an exw ta heater(skeftomai 2x50watt) pws mporw na ta exw sta fita xwris na kaiw tis rizes ?
-tha leitourghsei ena plastiko lepto, poli lepto, dixtaki se apostash 5cm girwgirw apo ta heaters?

-me ti trompes? auth kanei an exw to controller apo katw?

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/16w-immersible-submersible-fountain-water-pump-220-240v-50hz-49481

-na exw aerantlia h aeropetres?

-gia na katalabw, pws akrivws tha to doulevw ? ,
tha rixnw siblirwmatika kathe 1-2 meres nutes sto controller ?
pws ginetai akrivws olh h diadikasia me thn allagh tou nerou ?
(Me anisixei idiaitera to pou tha apothikevw 60 lt nero gia na feygei to xlwrio to nero mou einai 150ppm)

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[ariston]

gia na kseris rondelia den exo xtisi to systima kai den exo empiria, aplos sou dino tis plirofories pou ematha apo kosmo edo kai apo to teleuteo grow mou

egw file ariston ntaksei, exw psilokatalabei pws leitourgei to olo pragma alla
den exw kapoies leptomereies pou prepei na katalavw, opws:
- xwros 120x80x160(gia ta loipa blepe pio panw)

-me pernei na valw 4 gia na teliwsei pio grigora?isxyei auto?

den exo idea apo oti exo katalavi aplos an exis liga fyta, xriazese pio poli vegging.

-an to contoller einai katw apo to cabinet ,(me ta 4)
pws tha einai leitourgiko? (yparxei kanena design pouthena? den exw vrei kati san auto )

-mporw na exw 40 lt panw sto megalo bucket
h se dio dipla kai katw to controller me 18lt?

den ksero LOL rota ton tjo

-an exw ta heater(skeftomai 2x50watt) pws mporw na ta exw sta fita xwris na kaiw tis rizes ?
-tha leitourghsei ena plastiko lepto, poli lepto, dixtaki se apostash 5cm girwgirw apo ta heaters?

prosopika pote den metaxiristika heater, 3 hydro grows exo kanei kai meno ston vorio polo (ilikrina).

-me ti trompes? auth kanei an exw to controller apo katw?

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/16w-immersible-submersible-fountain-water-pump-220-240v-50hz-49481

-na exw aerantlia h aeropetres?

kai ta dyo, aeropetres den dinoun aera an den syndesis aerantlia

-gia na katalabw, pws akrivws tha to doulevw ? ,
tha rixnw siblirwmatika kathe 1-2 meres nutes sto controller ?
pws ginetai akrivws olh h diadikasia me thn allagh tou nerou ?
(Me anisixei idiaitera to pou tha apothikevw 60 lt nero gia na feygei to xlwrio to nero mou einai 150ppm)

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iparxoun diafori methodi gia pos na rithizis to nero sou, diavase afto:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=411642&postcount=7
meriki alazoun to rez epi 1 evdomada, ali epi 2-3, tou bigtokes ta biobuckets einai fiagmena gia na ta pigenis xoris na alazis to nero sto rez gia olo to grow, mono na symplironis

prosopika omos tha elega na ksekinisis me ena pio mikro DWC. kati san afto:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=3473800&postcount=10
ena guide vriskis edo:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=13327

aplos tou hasi exi tin maggia sta plagia (o solinas) pou se afini efkola na adiazis/gemizis ton kouva. poli pio efkola mathenis me ena kouva DWC.

 

[Rondelia]

mono na siblirwneis ? edw eimaste filos ,kati tetoio tha kanw... ti leei kai o eidikos(tjo)?

 

[ariston]

dyskola tha einai na suntirisis systima xoris alagi to rez, idika otan den exis poli empiria se ta genetika sou, to nero sou ktlp..

prosopika den kano tou bigtoke ton tropo me lipasmata giati panta mou ginete ligo periergo to nero meta apo ligo kairo. den brisko ta lava rocks pou metaxirisi (gia ta microbacteria ktlp) kiolas... dyskolo setup dialekses bro

pantos sou efxome tixi sto ergo sou file

 

[Rondelia]

euxaristw ariston alla den exw kataliksei akrivws sthn kataskeuh, 8a perimenw na parw kamia gnwmh akoma kai vlepoume

 

[antonios]

ποια φαγητα ειναι απαραιτητα για DWC?μονο τα απαραιτητα.

 

[ariston]

ποια φαγητα ειναι απαραιτητα για DWC?μονο τα απαραιτητα.

mia xara ta kataferno ego prosopika me tis GH ta lipasmata, to flora micro kai flora bloom (to flora grow den xriazete). metaxirizome kiolas tis Canna to cannazym, kratai tis rizes ygiestates.

 

[antonios]

και πως τα χρησιμοποιω?Και τα τρια μαζι η κατα περιοδο?και ποσο σε αναλογια το καθενα?

 

[ariston]

kai ta tria mazi. vasika metaxirizome to Lucas formula https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=167875

aplos vazo pio liga lipasmata apo ti protinoun... to idio kai me to cannazym, vrisko oti i misi i dosi ftani mia xara

ena paradigma gia 10 litra nero:
10ml flora micro
20ml flora bloom
12.5ml cannazym

fysika omos otan einai nea ta fyta, pio ligo pefti... kai an den ftanei otan einai megala, pio poli aplos kratao tin analogia 1 micro:2 bloom.

 

[antonios]

λεω να φτιαξω ενα συστημα aeroponic και να το χρησιμοποιησω το καλοκαιρι στο μπαλκονι,φυσικα οχι με staf,ωστε να εχω μια πειρα για τον αλλο χειμωνα.Τι αλλο φυτο μπορω να βαλω?

 

[antonios]

Αυτη η αναλογια 1 micro:2 bloom παει απο την αρχη μεχρι τελους?Απο ποσα ppm το αρχιζω?