Will California Vote to Legalize in November 2010?!
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Good thing you couldn't vote against an imperfect prop 215 then....
True but hey if you don't have kids or this "(iv) smoking cannabis in any space while minors are present. " doesn't bother you or any of the plethora of other problems with prop 19 then so be it. Oh, and I will respect this thread from now on. It was not intended to argue 19 so I won't argue it anymore here. Don't give up on having good legislation.
You can neg rep all you want boy...I could care less. Truth is...Legalizing marijuana is the right thing to do and I'll keep on going, doing what I do until it does become legal.
Most likely somebody that wanted to and chose to do so.
Why do I smell a witch hunt if this bill doesn't pass?
He must have gotten writer's cramp neg repping all of us. Oh well - some children are prone to tantrums.
What a bunch of whiners
What a bunch of whiners
I don't recall whining, I think it is a pretty funny comment on maturity level. Incidentally, in mine he covers for you.
It's more mature to call others children, son, or boy... than to look at yourself and realize you aren't quite as mature as you expected.
VTA... LOL
VTA... LOL
that's some pretty strange thinking. not sure what is says about your worldview, but it says something.
by including out of state people we are collecting a second set of data. and if its a genuine understanding of the world you live in that you seek, more data is never a bad thing.
The first set of data, and the only one you deem important, tells us how the vote might go if only smokers were voting (assuming that everybody who voted in the poll is, by nature of them being a member of these forums, a smoker or otherwise ganjaphilic). It is not a valid representation of how the vote will go. Not until my mom joins ICM and votes in the poll. We see that about 50% of cali residents are for it, 36% are against it, 12% undecided and the rest will be too stoned or too busy. that data set stands alone and can tell us a little (very little) about the matter at hand.
The second data set shows us that the vast majority of those outside the state, who can afford to look at this vote in purely idealistic terms, would vote yes. To me, that reflects the state of affairs on the ground in California where many are unable to look at the issue in idealistic terms. People here have a serious stake in the outcome of this. Many families all over the State put their food on the table from all aspects of this industry and in that reality, like most, the issue is closer to evenly split.
While I still don;t know any more than i did with the first data set about the actual outcome of prop 19, i do have a somewhat better understanding of what's going on in the world I live in, whoich extends far beyond the borders of Cali.
I included the out-of-staters, because when making up my mind about any issue, I like to apply as many perspectives as possible and theirs was an easy one to poll in the same breath. Every outcome causes ripples that will effect the entire world on multiple planes of consciousness. To ignore available perspectives and to fail to pursue as many as possible would be like having my head up my ass.
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To me the point you make is most important. I don't live in Cali., but am sure if 19 fails, all smokers and believers of freedom lose. If it wins momentum will be huge worldwide.
Its a big f#%$#^ deal, believe it. (the propaganda will be pure either way, and very very strong for the masses)
I will be voting NO, because if it passes we will be in a "gesture contract" with the state, just by smoking/growing it.. I Vote for Decriminalization.. its the only way.. Fuck the Government tax, Fuck the Gangster/mob revenue, Fuck the Speculators and their Parse3!.
I want everyone to enjoy Cannabis without the threat of jail time.. weather you love to grow it and make thousands of pounds of it, or you love to smoke thousands of pounds of it.. All are welcome under Decriminalization..
This is a chance, a chance to legalize it "a little bit" and the story will end there. good enough to keep it out of congress for many years to come..
This is also a chance to show big business, congress, and weed nay say'ers that Cannabis users are not brain dead have-nots. We want our weed, and not your tax or prisons!
Also Arnold Schwarzenegger made cannabis use under 28.5 grams an infraction. which doesnt go on your criminal record. Also a fine of 100 usd. And on good information, i know my local sheriff wont even write the ticket if the amount isnt over 30gm, and DEA wont even respond its so petty. I believe Arnold did this, cause he knows it would cost the state more if it goes legal. why? Well Eric Holder said if prop 19 passed, he would use the full extent of the law to close any Cannabis business that treaded into Federal territory..
So IMHO, Passing prop 19, seems like a whole lot of no good (for now)... I ask you all to think this through with real life in your forethought and not wishful hopes. Because your vote can change the way EVERYONE that smokes/grows is treated by the judicial system.
Decriminalize NOT Legalize..
ffs legalizing=FTL...
Cannabudz...
I want everyone to enjoy Cannabis without the threat of jail time.. weather you love to grow it and make thousands of pounds of it, or you love to smoke thousands of pounds of it.. All are welcome under Decriminalization..
This is a chance, a chance to legalize it "a little bit" and the story will end there. good enough to keep it out of congress for many years to come..
This is also a chance to show big business, congress, and weed nay say'ers that Cannabis users are not brain dead have-nots. We want our weed, and not your tax or prisons!
Also Arnold Schwarzenegger made cannabis use under 28.5 grams an infraction. which doesnt go on your criminal record. Also a fine of 100 usd. And on good information, i know my local sheriff wont even write the ticket if the amount isnt over 30gm, and DEA wont even respond its so petty. I believe Arnold did this, cause he knows it would cost the state more if it goes legal. why? Well Eric Holder said if prop 19 passed, he would use the full extent of the law to close any Cannabis business that treaded into Federal territory..
So IMHO, Passing prop 19, seems like a whole lot of no good (for now)... I ask you all to think this through with real life in your forethought and not wishful hopes. Because your vote can change the way EVERYONE that smokes/grows is treated by the judicial system.
Decriminalize NOT Legalize..
ffs legalizing=FTL...
Cannabudz...
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jumping from illegal to decriminalization is too big a step, most people are resistance to change, Prop 19, although not perfect, is the beginning of total world wide decriminalization ...this is our Berlin Wall, if 19 passes, the whole world will change for the better.
if it doesn't pass, those who will profit from the continued war of cannabis will feel empowered and will force through even harsher laws.....this proposition is crucial to the industries and organizations who rely on keeping cannabis illegal to maintain profits.
I expect to watch a Fox News story soon ... young white girl, A student, tries pot and next minute suicide..or ..young white guy, high on pot goes through a red light and smashes into a van full of school kids...or ..you get the picture.
if it doesn't pass, those who will profit from the continued war of cannabis will feel empowered and will force through even harsher laws.....this proposition is crucial to the industries and organizations who rely on keeping cannabis illegal to maintain profits.
I expect to watch a Fox News story soon ... young white girl, A student, tries pot and next minute suicide..or ..young white guy, high on pot goes through a red light and smashes into a van full of school kids...or ..you get the picture.
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No, it says "same space"...that is different-- If you are in a room smoking, and the door is closed, that is not the same "Space" as the kiddies in the next room--
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