@TDSS02:
Not wild, but unadulterated strains, prior to their hybridisation.
For example: Think of a village/cluster of villages in a valley in rural Afghanistan, prior to the arrival of Westerners. Every year, they sow the seed, grow the weed, set aside the seed for next year's crop, make the hashish. Many plants each year, but all from the same genetic lines. Repeat for centuries.
That would be a landrace Afghani. One small, often isolated area, very little if any addition of new genes from outside.
That is my understanding of the term. Please, wiser heads correct me if I am wrong.
The reason is: I DON'T LIKE OUTING PEOPLE.
Maybe big pharma do have plans if pot becomes legal but until then it's still illegal for them to be in possession of marijuana. That includes seeds. If they have/are looking into marijuana they'd require special licenses and theoretically we'd know about it. Kind of like how we know all about GW Pharm and Hortapharm BV. If you guys think monsanto has dozens of greenhouses filled to the brim with landraces and other cultivars simply bidding their time until legalization, you're kidding yourselves.
are you aware that Indiana isn’t maintaining all that germplasm? This fact seems to be beyond your awareness.
Don’t worry Tom, you can stop maintaining your afghan lines. These guys in Indiana collected 10. Looks like you’re not needed. Get real
is well… I could say naive, laughable, or tell you to ‘get real’. But that would be rude.any genetic information that is lost is OUR fault. All of our faults.
What genes do you worry are being lost?
Do any breeders here have a comparably large genetic palate to work from?
To answer your questions .. IMO
Usually recessive genes and throw-backs and mongrels,, which although look totally unsuitable in that filial generation,, may throw out some real gems much later on in lineage. Open breeding helps preserve these recessive genetics.
We only breed for fun,, however the LGA collectively holds upto 500 individual cultigens at one time from hybridized, inbred,, and landrace seed stock and established clones... all collected from underground growers and professional stables... including our own
Hope this helps
But surely those genes are merely lost from your breeding project, not lost from the cannabis genepool. Since the landrace stocks from which they are derived are still out there (and yes i know they're not the exact same plants).
In addition to that, the aforemention phama companies have the building blocks of the same genes you all hold.
500! wow. That's 3 times more strains than are listed in the Strain List sticky. You must be a very busy collective.
^^^^^^^I LIKE THIS GUY
WHATS YOUR FULL POINT OF VIEW BRO..........
You must be really naive if
you believe that big agro/pharma/tobacco companies go by the law. They are multinational, they go to country where law is good for their business. These companies buy dictators/goverments/politicians to tailor laws to their needs.
They have private armies in 3rd world countries protecting their investments. Do you think they care about US-law about cannabis seeds?
"they'd reguire special licence", give me a break! Did United fruit Company had special licence to kill farmers who were on strike in Santa Marta?
Just google globalisation or something!
If you re-read my post I said “You were talking like there weren’t any official bodies working with cannabis breeding or germplasm collection/storage”
Hortilab.B.V and GW Pharma are examples of official bodies working with cannabis breeding. The seeds stored at Indianna are an example of germplasm collection/storage. It was just to demonstrate what a large range of populations of cannabis there is out there that can still be collected (and indeed have been collected and stored).
Add to that example the Dutch CPRO-DLO collection: “A collection of approximately 200 populations was established at Centre for Plant Breeding & Reproduction Research--Agricultural Research Dept. (CPRO-DLO) over the past five years.(1) It comprises fiber and drug strains and wild or naturalized populations from a worldwide geographic origin ranging between 28deg and 58deg latitude.”
There are other collections. The Vavilov Research Institute in St. Petersburg has over 400 populations. The vast majority of them are for <0.5%THC hemp populations, but given that it is perfectly legal for them to do so, very simple for them to achieve, (not to mention that they are collecting and preserving with the collaboration of Rob Clarke) It is not unreasonable to believe that they also store pharmacologically important landraces of drug types.
Of course a quick google of the words “cannabis germplasm “ would have revealed the same information to yodu. I wouldn’t be surprised if you already did know,like with Hortapharm B.V. and GW Pharm’s breeding projects over the last 2 decades. I can’t help but feel that you are choosing to be deliberately obtuse.
Again what I actually said regarding the Indiana collection was “I believe that they have already made a pretty good start at collecting germplasm” I didn’t claim they were presently growing out populations of them for breeding. They just have the genetics, safe and sound in seed form.
You do like to run away with the things that I say don’t you. But I’ll remind you of what I have actually said. “I think it's admirable that amateur/closet breeders are doing what they can to improve and preserve the cannabis gene pool as best as they can. But I think it would be more than a little egotistical to think that these amateur/closet breeders are eroding the cannabis gene pool or conversely are it's best hope for survival… Keep breeding away, whether you're hacking or trying to follow good principals, enjoy what you're doing but don't worry about saving the gene pool etc. We're all just playing (at breeding*) compared to the Agribusiness boys.”
* added later for clarity incase the pedantry ratchets up even more.
The point I was originally making is that the genetics in the hands of amateur drug cannabis breeders represents a tiny fraction of the cannabis gene pool (and the foundations of this has already been sold to GW Phama, as you have stated yourself). To think that any of you are in danger of eroding the cannabis gene pool, or that as a result of closet hacks and pollen chuckers valuable genes are being lost, to say is well… I could say naive, laughable, or tell you to ‘get real’. But that would be rude.
I’ve at least had a try to answer your questions, but you’ve ignored the only two I’ve asked.
What genes do you worry are being lost?
Do any breeders here have a comparably large genetic palate to work from?