yea, fuck the asa's regulate mmj act. it's fucked up. just read (i) under section 2. fuck that shit!
Uhhh...just so you know... it is not a "mmj" thing...it is Legalization-- Nothing to do with Medical--
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yea, fuck the asa's regulate mmj act. it's fucked up. just read (i) under section 2. fuck that shit!
I couldn't agree more with your first paragraph.
Why do PEOPLE need more cannabis freedom? The answer is because any limitation is unacceptable.
Your question should be why do Californians need a Drs note for an herb AND why are Californians still subject to having their cannabis stolen by the government and then fined for having a plant that everyone has a natural right to posses.
As to why this year (2012) is fucked for CA, seems to be the fact that their are 5 competing proposals. It seems ASA and others have decided to divide and conquer. When the like wine was the only one out there support was really strong. The had to fuck that shit up ASAP, so step in ASA and 4 worse initiatives virtually ensuring that NONE of the 5 could gather enough support to get onto the ballot.
Fuck the ASA and all the other evil doers who side with the government and pigs.
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AND ill be doing another victory thread when it doesn't pass....![]()
You know what is really sad. You have ass holes that grow mmj and will vote no against legalization because they are greedy pieces of shit. they argue that they are keeping out government regulation and corporations out. However they are fucking lying and are not doing what they said they are. Completely illegal is the highest form of regulation, and the government will award contracts to big pharma..... oh wait they already have. Looks like it is back to, people that grow and vote no on legalization are pure lazy pieces of shit that are scared of capitalism and can't hack it a real economy.
...regulate like wine is awesome. Although I don't see it going through. The other bills sabotaged it.
your so wrong , legislation of mmj is not for growers but smokers . the goverment will take over because they want all the money . youll be forced to stop growing and start buying your mmj . plus they are working on breading more cannabiods and less thc. they own the patent on marajuanakrunch, if you were my friend, I would be deeply disappointed in you, and try to smack some reality into you. Maybe you could be saved then, what is your deal, have you smoked yourself retarded????
Do you realize you are saying you are ok with people going to jail for growing a plant That you yourself have been busted for? You wish what has happened to you to happen to others? You don't care? Do you have family in other states without mmj? Friends? Do you only care about yourself? What if someone did not have the connections or money to avoid some crazy jail sentence ? Is it fair that lower class or unpriveledged people get stuck with the unfair sentences? Anybody living in Cali is in a very unique and lucky situation, and should NEVER forget that. Now AGs & the feds have come in to remind you of that. But you still wish for it to stay illegal??? Do you want it to be fully black market yet again?
I would like to normalize my lifestyle and be known as a citizen who is just as good of a person as anyone else within our society. I am tired of being in the shadows looked down upon. I work 7 days a week, I pay my taxes, I go out of my way to do nice things for others. Yet my life could be ruined and come crashing on me just for a plant. I would lose my wife and I don't what I would do...Our government needs to accept us and our culture and LEGALIZE IT!!!!! BTW RMLW is the way to go....
just stop the illegal shit, stay within the gidelines of your recamendation. or stop growing and start buying. your wife if she is so important just stop the illegal shit .your so wrong , legislation of mmj is not for growers but smokers . the goverment will take over because they want all the money . youll be forced to stop growing and start buying your mmj . plus they are working on breading more cannabiods and less thc. they own the patent on marajuana
they own the patent the goverment . we will give your right to grow up to the athorities to distribution regulating who supplys the entire industry . you only smoke then this would be good, not for growers .Smokey I think not..The leaders of the top three initiatives have met and are joining forces to end prohibition. Some of us are willing to bend a little to keep our friends out of prison.
takkada they've owned that patent since the 60s I believe and I'm still growing, breeding, smoking, and injesting the best weed i've ever smoked. If you want to make the case that they will ultimately be able to keep all those genetics to themselves, I believe you are wrong. A look around ICMag at all my friends world wide, that are breeding new and improved varieties of cannabis, will show you IC breeders are years ahead of anything the Pharma and Goverment has going on. Some may be working with Pharma, but I think none with the goverment. If the goverment gets tough, as it has in Cali with the co-ops and collectives, they just force it back underground..it's still going on just not taxed. Peace..DDthey own the patent the goverment . ....
your so wrong , legislation of mmj is not for growers but smokers . the goverment will take over because they want all the money . youll be forced to stop growing and start buying your mmj . plus they are working on breading more cannabiods and less thc. they own the patent on marajuana
just stop the illegal shit, stay within the gidelines of your recamendation. or stop growing and start buying. your wife if she is so important just stop the illegal shit .
they own the patent the goverment . we will give your right to grow up to the athorities to distribution regulating who supplys the entire industry . you only smoke then this would be good, not for growers .
...unless you change your mind then i will regard you as just an over paranoid moron meth head. .......
Smack Down Extraordinaire!!!!
Smokey I think not..The leaders of the top three initiatives have met and are joining forces to end prohibition.
hydrosun is right...you guys are jumping on KB for being "greedy" yet you are all so naive and have no clue what the ASA represents.....YOU WILL STILL BE ILLEGAL TO GROW, the only legalized people will be legit patients...who already have protections under prop 215. the ones who really want this legalization are the suits and corps that cant wait to get this 30 billion dollar economy into their investment portfolios...
its a tricky ass situation and im dissapointed in most of you for making it so personal.....on one side yes, we dont want legalization because it takes our main source of income and gives it to a select few to monopolize this industry. unless RMLW passes which would give fair competition to small growers, but every other proposol doesnt include this....its a monopoly POWER GRAB...exactly the reason the first legalization proposol didnt pass...if dick lee wasnt so greedy and didnt include wording that directly attacked growers, it MIGHT HAVE PASSED. if you want full out legalization in california, you have to have to support of the growers and those in the industry, and EVERY PROPOSAL EXCEPT RMLW HAS SHUT US OUT...and we arent stupid, why are we going to willingly vote on something that will put us into retirement, just so joeschmoe can smoke in peace(which hes already doing under 215)...its basically giving us NOTHING and giving the elite everything....
on the other side....i hate the drug war and prohibition so i do want to see some kind of end to drug raids and prosecution for growing..which is why i support RMLW and FREE MARKET ECONOMY. where growers can still vend their wares LEGALLY in a market that hasnt been crashed by big pharma......THEY DONT CARE ABOUT GROWERS, THEY WANT YOU TO STOP GROWING SO THEY CAN TAKE OVER YOUR BUSINESS. they will do this buy crashing the price so that its not even feasible to grow your own anymore,and they will do this by setting BS regulations like sq ft limits and plant counts...while those with milllions on lobbyist money can blow out 100 acres of greenhouses...so in the long run...voting for legalization, for a commercial growers like KB has ZERO BENEFITS...so stop taking shit so personal and blaming him behind the safety of your keyboard....it basically strips his income source and keeps him just as illegal as he is operating now, why would someone vote for something that has ZERO benefit to oneself... sorry but this is humanity, we cant all be concerned about someone hundreds of miles away its a rat race and humans are all about self preservation...stop taking it so personal.
Can you answer me this-- Why would it be a "Victory" if it doesn't pass?? Just because of $$??
Yea, Krunch, enlighten us...
krunch, if you were my friend, I would be deeply disappointed in you, and try to smack some reality into you. Maybe you could be saved then, what is your deal, have you smoked yourself retarded????
Do you realize you are saying you are ok with people going to jail for growing a plant That you yourself have been busted for? You wish what has happened to you to happen to others? You don't care? Do you have family in other states without mmj? Friends? Do you only care about yourself? What if someone did not have the connections or money to avoid some crazy jail sentence ? Is it fair that lower class or unpriveledged people get stuck with the unfair sentences? Anybody living in Cali is in a very unique and lucky situation, and should NEVER forget that. Now AGs & the feds have come in to remind you of that. But you still wish for it to stay illegal??? Do you want it to be fully black market yet again?
I would like to normalize my lifestyle and be known as a citizen who is just as good of a person as anyone else within our society. I am tired of being in the shadows looked down upon. I work 7 days a week, I pay my taxes, I go out of my way to do nice things for others. Yet my life could be ruined and come crashing on me just for a plant. I would lose my wife and I don't what I would do...Our government needs to accept us and our culture and LEGALIZE IT!!!!! BTW RMLW is the way to go....
Are you re-TARDED???? Seriously WTF????
addressing first part. KB is against doing the right thing. does not matter if it is greed or any other reason. They are all equally stupid. There is no argument that can be made to justify voting no on a legalization bill.
addressing the second part. Fuck KB. He is fucking dumber than a bag of shit. There is a lot of benefit for him to vote yes. He could literally make a California corporation himself with a little paperwork and then he is protected from federal law a little more than if he was operating in an illegal mmj market. Having your own incorporated business has it's benefits. He could also file the corporation for bankruptcy if he fails do to unexpected circumstances vs his own personal credit. He can also legally invest profits. The possibility of a money laundering charge goes away. If you ever want to make real money in this world than you have to invest. You have to see the big picture. Your money has to work for you. Poor people stay poor because they don't invest.
If you want to keep big pharma out then you have to take it out of their realm. Take it to the recreational realm to protect the medical realm. Then if it like alcohol all is very well. Even my friends very small wine store did 4 million last year. The benefit to a legal market is huge.
Bottom line is if the most powerful government in the world can not control it even when it is 100 percent federally illegal what the hell makes anyone think one corporation is going to be able to control what you do on your land?
Like I said voting no is for paranoid idiots.
you are why the death penalty is around, stupid people are ruining this country . screw you faciest.you mean like alcohol, where there is no small wineries or micro breweries, or small vodka companies like titto's.
......oh wait there is thousands. There is healthy competition on every level of wine and alcohol from tiny single vinyard wines to gigantic corporations and everything in between.
If you want only 2 or three corporations to control it then leave it how it is now only medical. Then the government will continue to move towards making mmj patiens take a pill made by a chemical company with a government granted monopoly. In a legalized market you can just get a license and go for it just like anybody else. dont be scared of capitalism like a little bitch.
unless you change your mind then i will regard you as just an over paranoid moron meth head. this is coming from someone who is voting for Ron Paul and thinks the federal income tax should be abolished along with the drug war, the d.e.a., and the other 7 federal police forces. I am no fan of government, but they can not keep you from growing your own shit unless you are in prison, and the only way to prevent that for sure is to legalize.
..... if you still are not following logic you should just go cut your genitals off. You should never breed. People that think like you pollute the gene pool and perpetuate the ever growing overall stupidity of Humans. If you have already head kids than I hope you get arrested for sheer stupidity, and have your kids thrown in Foster homes.
Why the fuck should there be guidelines? who the fuck are you to tell me how much of what plant I can grow on my own land. you can go fuck your self.
Being fully illegal is the strongest form of regulation there is you simpleton. Supplies are already regulated through sales tax. I am doubting you made it past 8th grade.
the only thing that would change if cali legalized is you would not go to prison, you would pay taxes like dispensaries already do, and price would drop a little until new larger under ground shipping lines were established.
quit the illegal shit