USA strikes Syria again

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Its been going on since at least the Napoleonic wars Klompen - when the Rothschilds were involved as bankers/financiers - and they even had their own spies and fast couriers to jink the London stock market in their favour - and made an absolute mint out of it and literally - ended up owning most of the Bank of England - as they do today thru secret trusts - aligned with the British Monarchy.

“I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply.” - Nathan Rothschild

“[The] Bank of the United States… is one of the most deadly hostility existing, against the principles and form of our Constitution… An institution like this, penetrating by its branches every part of the Union, acting by command and in phalanx, may, in a critical moment, upset the government. I deem no government safe which is under the vassalage of any self-constituted authorities, or any other authority than that of the nation, or its regular functionaries. What an obstruction could not this bank of the United States, with all its branch banks, be in time of war! It might dictate to us the peace we should accept, or withdraw its aids. Ought we then to give further growth to an institution so powerful, so hostile?” -Thomas Jefferson

“We began planning the Revolutionary War in order to issue our own money again” - Benjamin Franklin

“I sincerely believe… that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale.” – Thomas Jefferson

“Banking was conceived in iniquity, and born in sin. Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them, and all great fortunes like mine will disappear. And, they ought to disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. But if you want to continue to be the slaves of the bankers, and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money, and control credit.” - ABRAHAM LINCOLN

“Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce…when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.” - James Garfield

Can't keep selling more bombs and missiles if the fighting stops. Simple solution to this is to support opposing sides.

 

[St. Phatty]

Its been going on since at least the Napoleonic wars Klompen - when the Rothschilds were involved as bankers/financiers - and they even had their own spies and fast couriers to jink the London stock market in their favour - and made an absolute mint out of it and literally - ended up owning most of the Bank of England - as they do today thru secret trusts - aligned with the British Monarchy.

The way they played the Battle of Waterloo in 1814 was a Criminal Masterpiece.

Like Ocean's 11, but before Andy Garcia was born.

 

[gaiusmarius]

Can't keep selling more bombs and missiles if the fighting stops. Simple solution to this is to support opposing sides.

thats the other thing, the US used isis as their justification for invading and occupying the north of Syria, so they don't really want them all gone, because then their excuse for legitimacy is taken away, so they need a few k isis in a few villages to continue the justification for the foreign occupation they have established. at the same time the Kurds are their hosts so to speak, the Kurds allow the US to pretend to be invited guests there to fight isis at the invitation of the Kurds. so that would also explain why they are supporting and helping isis on 1 hand and supporting the Kurds fight isis on the other hand.

 

[Nirrity]

isis to us is what trade federation to senator palpatine

 

[Klompen]

Arabs are pretty stupid and will kill each other like Red and Black Ants...

That's why they need a Leader with a heavy hand like Saddam ...he kept them in Check because if you dont...well...you see the situation we have now

Saudi style is primitive cave man status

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but in the late 1910's and the late 1930s/early 1940s white people sort of went a little crazy and killed a few tens of millions of people.

 

[Klompen]

thats the other thing, the US used isis as their justification for invading and occupying the north of Syria, so they don't really want them all gone, because then their excuse for legitimacy is taken away, so they need a few k isis in a few villages to continue the justification for the foreign occupation they have established. at the same time the Kurds are their hosts so to speak, the Kurds allow the US to pretend to be invited guests there to fight isis at the invitation of the Kurds. so that would also explain why they are supporting and helping isis on 1 hand and supporting the Kurds fight isis on the other hand.

That is a good way to put it. They found a desperate group in need of their help and used them to gain legitimacy. They also need to keep them desperate so they never have incentive to get too independent.

 

[gaiusmarius]

Ray McGovern Schools us on the Syrian situation etc.

Ray McGovern Schools us on the Syrian situation etc.

really interesting, including why Obama didnt bomb Syria.

Ray McGovern: The Inside Scoop on the Middle East & Israel


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[gaiusmarius]

hm, looks like some thing is brewing in the US occupied zone. Erdogan really really doesn't want a Kurdish defacto state on his border.

Turkey-U.S. start joint Syria patrols but Turkey strikes at Kurds

https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkey-u-start-joint-syria-patrols-turkey-strikes-010328373.html

Reuters•November 2, 2018

ISTANBUL/MANBIJ, Syria (Reuters) - Turkish and U.S. troops began joint patrols in northern Syria on Thursday aimed at averting clashes between Turkey and Washington's Kurdish allies, but Turkey pressed on with a new threatened offensive nearby to crush the Kurds.

Turkish military advances into northern Syria over the past two years have put U.S. forces directly in the path of advancing troops from Turkey, Washington's main Muslim NATO ally.

The two countries have been working to avert direct confrontation, even as Turkey aims to crush the Kurdish YPG militia. The YPG forms the main part of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) that Washington backs with arms, air support and around 2,000 special forces troops on the ground in the fight against Islamic State.

To avert more fighting, the United States and Turkey agreed three months ago to hold joint patrols around the town of Manbij on the west bank of the Euphrates, under a deal that also saw Kurdish fighters withdraw from the city.

But even as the joint patrols were due to begin this week, Turkey announced a new offensive against the Kurds on the opposite bank of the river, into territory where the SDF has U.S. troop support.

Turkey's defense minister and the U.S.-led military coalition in Syria confirmed the start of the patrols in Manbij, about 30 km (19 miles) from the Turkish border, on Thursday. Previously, U.S. and Turkish forces have held coordinated but separate patrols there.

A Reuters journalist saw a convoy of six military vehicles, some flying the U.S. flag and others flying the Turkish flag, driving on Thursday about 20 km from Manbij city.

The patrols are taking place along the dividing line between territory controlled by the SDF-allied Manbij Military Council and a Turkish-controlled area in northern Syria.

However, the U.S.-Turkish cooperation in Manbij does not seem to have succeeded in averting what would be the first Turkish offensive across the Euphrates.

Turkey has been firing across the border for five days in preparation for what President Tayyip Erdogan says will be an offensive soon to crush the Kurdish forces along the breadth of the Turkish frontier.

SDF SUSPENDS CAMPAIGN AGAINST IS

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights monitoring group and SDF spokesman Kino Gabriel said Turkish forces shelled and fired on an area near the Syrian town of Tel Abyad on the Turkish border. They said one girl died after being hit.

On Wednesday, the SDF said the Turkish attacks had forced it to suspend its U.S.-backed campaign against Islamic State near the Iraqi border.

On Thursday, the U.S.-led coalition spokesman Colonel Sean Ryan told Reuters in emailed comments that the suspension was still in place while talks continue.

U.S. Central Command, which is in charge of American military forces in the region, issued a statement late on Thursday urging "all parties to show restraint to de-escalate the current situation and ensure maximum pressure continues" against Islamic State.

In the multi-sided conflict, Islamic State fighters have been driven from nearly all of the self-proclaimed "caliphate" they controlled in Syria and Iraq by a range of foes including the U.S.-led coalition, the Iraqi government, the Russian-backed Syrian government and Iran-backed Shi'ite paramilitaries.

However, last week Islamic State fighters launched one of their deadliest attacks this year against the SDF. The SDF says it lost 14 fighters; the Observatory says the death toll was much higher.

Over the past two years, Turkish forces have already swept into Syria to push YPG fighters out of territory west of the Euphrates in two separate military campaigns.

Past offensives halted at the banks of the river, in part to avoid direct confrontation with the United States.

U.S. relations with Turkey, one of its closest allies in the Middle East for decades, have been strained almost to breaking point in recent months by differences over Syria and a range of other issues.

U.S. President Donald Trump spoke on Thursday with Erdogan. The Turkish leader's office said they stressed their determination to strengthen ties.

(Reporting by Ezgi Erkoyun in Istanbul, Rodi Said near Manbij and Tom Perry and Lisa Barrington in Beirut; Writing by Peter Graff; Editing by Hugh Lawson and Grant McCool)

 

[St. Phatty]

isis to us is what trade federation to senator palpatine

I think the Star Wars metaphor works very well.

The US has had many Alderaan's, the planet the Empire blows up to show how bad-ass their Death Star is.

That's when Luke is on the Millenium Falcon learning how to use a light sword, and Obi Wan gets faint because he can feel the disturbance in the force when Alderaan explodes.

And that all occurs while the Millenium Falcon is at light-speed.

The US used Syria as an Alderaan when Trump was having dinner with Xi at his Mob Boss spread in Florida.

The US has had many other Alderaan's.

That's one of the things I liked about Robert Parry at Consortium News. He actually wrote an article entitled "Bush's Alderaan". I forget which military target that was about. Somewhere in Iraq.

 

[gaiusmarius]

an interesting article about the lies we believe about the Iraqis war against isis/daesh. the interesting thing is the situation is basically the same in Syria. the west presents it as sunni against shia, when it truth it's good against evil. civil society against terrorism and extremism.

What mainstream media tells you about Iraq is lie

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/10/18/577387/Iraq-fight-terrorism-columnist-view

By Robert Carter

When reading about Iraq in the mainstream media, we are often told how Iraq is a sectarian Islamist society, how religion has damaged the country, and that the Iraq war against the terrorist group Daesh was a Sunni vs Shia sectarian civil war. After visiting the country this month, I discovered for myself just how much of what the mainstream media tells us about Iraq is a lie!

The scars of the conflict are highly noticeable. Many of the wounds of war have yet to heal. The most noticeable evidence of this, which I saw throughout my journey, was the nameless faces of Iraq's martyrs who died fighting in the horrific war against the Daesh.

While driving between the cities of Najaf, Karbala and Baghdad, I could see never-ending roadside columns of long-lost loved ones looking back at me; and for all the miles of road that we drove down, there were equally miles of martyr’s posters.

I learned how Iraqis of all sects and faiths have been fighting on the front line against Daesh since 2014, yet what the Western mainstream media would have us believe is that this war was a sectarian civil war between Sunni and Shia Muslims.

Most of the martyrs I saw were members of a volunteer army, known as the Hashd al-Sha'abi, which is routinely (and falsely) referred to in the West as a sectarian "Shia militia." These narratives, concocted in the West, are damaging to Iraq and fail to truly display what is felt on the ground in Iraq. Here I will attempt to explain.

The real Hashd al-Sha’abi

The Popular Mobilization Forces, also known in Arabic as the Hashd Al-Sha'abi is a pro-government umbrella organization composed of some 40 militias. The Hashd came into existence following a call to arms by Iraq's top Shia cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani in 2014 who urged the people of Iraq to “defend the country, the honor of its citizens, and its sacred places” from the advancing Daesh.

Thousands of men signed up to the voluntary army and, according to officials at the time, up to two million Iraqis signed up to join the Hashd.

This volunteer army is made up of mainly Shia Muslim groups, but the Hashd is by no means a Shia-only group and boasts a large membership of Sunni Muslim, Christian, and Yazidi Iraqis too - a point often ignored by the Western mainstream.

The Hashd was meant to be an all-inclusive non-sectarian group from its inception. A point made clear by Grand Ayatollah Sistani's representative, Sheikh Abdul Mahdi Karbalai, who said: “It is the responsibility of all Iraqis to fight and stop these terrorists. This call does not apply to one sect or one side only.”

The Hashd went on to fight in almost every battle against Daesh in Iraq and played a decisive role in liberating the captured areas and eventually defeating the terror group.

During my tour, I met with two influential Shia clerics, Shiekh Karbalai and Shiekh Riyahd al-Hakim, the son of another Grand Ayatollah, Muhammad Saeed al-Hakim. Both keenly emphasized the role that the Iraqi religious leaders played in monitoring the behavior of the Hashd. Routine checks by representatives to the frontlines were made, and regular religious edicts were made promoting unity, restraint and humane treatment of the enemy.

Sheikh Karbalai said that the Ali Akbar Brigade, one of the volunteer fighter groups belonging to the Hashd, contained Sunni scholars in its ranks. One of those Sunni scholars was Sheikh Mohammad al-Nuri. He took part in the battle to reclaim his home city, the Sunni-majority city of Fallujah.

Speak to an audience of listeners; Sheikh al-Nuri said in a passionate and angry speech: “The sectarian narrative (peddled in the West) is a lie, and whoever said Iraqis are sectarian is a liar!

“We (Sunnis from Fallujah) gave 300 martyrs in the fight to liberate my city," he continued: "We (Sunni and Shia) stand together in peace and in war.”

The Sheikh's anger for the cost of this war no exaggeration. Virtually all Iraqi families have paid for their country’s liberation with the blood of their nearest and dearest. Women and children were also not spared from the violence, many being killed by indiscriminate car bombings or being caught up in the devastating violence which Daesh unleashes on every area it touches.

This was not a war between the Shia and the Sunni. This was a war against extremism, a battle between savages and civilized people.

Who cares?

Sadly the dehumanization of the Iraqis, and to a broader extent the Arab and Muslim world as a whole, has reached a stage in which most people really don’t care.

I can quite honestly say that if a car bomb goes off and kills 10, 20 or over 100 Iraqi civilians tomorrow, it will get far less attention than if an A-list celebrity in the West gets a new wacky tattoo or hairdo.

The life of Iraqis has become so cheap that it's now worth less than their own piffling dinar currency, as of today, worth only a fraction of a US cent. It’s a mainstream industry practice to peddle the cliché narrative of demonization, of dehumanization, which creates a superiority complex that ‘we’ in the West are always right and we can never be wrong.

Perhaps one of the saddest aspects of the Iraq war against Daesh is not just the unimaginable loss of life but the fact that nobody in the West could care less about the Iraqi people's sacrifice or continued suffering in the aftermath of the war.

Today, if Iraqis are lucky, they may get a brief mention on the Western mainstream channels that somewhere in Iraq a bomb went off killing some random Arab people. Even then, those reports are either met with at best a short-lived vague curiosity or at worst a yawn; for death in Middle Eastern countries has become entirely normalized and in some ways justified in the West.

The mainstream media has taught its audience that dead Arabs are no more unusual than cats catching mice, and this is a crime which "we," the West, are collectively guilty of; allowing the horror and outrage initially felt by the suffering of innocent Iraqis or any other unmentioned oppressed Middle Eastern peoples to become the new norm.

Iraqis have sacrificed and continue to do so. It’s this offering which makes the world a safer place, free from the threat of Takfiri terrorism. Isn't it time we, at the very least, made an effort to recognize this selfless sacrifice of the heroic people of Iraq and the region?

I didn't know these men in life, nor all of their names in death, there were just too many to ask about, but none the less the sight of these fallen Iraqi fighters troubled me more than the thirty plus degree heat I had to endure.

I myself am not an Iraqi, but there is something that connects me to these martyrs, something that relates all of us to them. These nameless men died fighting in a war to defeat a great evil which, if left unopposed, would have spread its deadly grip to every continent, every country and every community.

We have dedicated days in the West to remember those who died in battles which occurred in Europe over 100 years ago - can we not even spare an hour of the year for those who died fighting for such a just cause? If they were white, Western and Christian then probably yes but, alas, Iraqis are too brown, too Arab and just too Muslim for most to care.

I'll end with this fact: the Muslim community are the greatest victims of terrorism and are also the ones fighting every day to defeat it.

Robert Carter is a Press TV staff writer based in London.

(The views expressed in this article do not necessarily reflect those of Press TV.)

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Excellent article. Thanks for that one gaiusmarius.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

an interesting article about the lies we believe about the Iraqis war against isis/daesh. the interesting thing is the situation is basically the same in Syria. the west presents it as sunni against shia, when it truth it's good against evil. civil society against terrorism and extremism.

What mainstream media tells you about Iraq is lie

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/10/18/577387/Iraq-fight-terrorism-columnist-view

Civil society against terrorism and extremism.

Maybe someone should write a letter to every innocent future victim explaining that bomb about to kill their children has been delivered by a civil society. Then the survivors can be sure to not get all extreme when thinking about who to blame for exterminating their loved ones.

 

[gaiusmarius]

Civil society against terrorism and extremism.

Maybe someone should write a letter to every innocent future victim explaining that bomb about to kill their children has been delivered by a civil society. Then the survivors can be sure to not get all extreme when thinking about who to blame for exterminating their loved ones.

maybe they should have just joined isis instead of fighting them, so they could spread, is that your point?

yes innocent people die during the fighting of terrorists, but thats not the aim, the aim is to defeat those that actually target the civilian population, those that buried Christians Yazidids, Sunnis and Shias in mass graves all over Iraq, just to spread fear and obedience. every day new reports come in about new mass graves being found in the isis zones of occupation, so yeah, good against evil, no doubt. isis said themselves, after Iraq and Syria comes the whole world.

basically the US invasion made all this possible and now the Iraqis and Syrians are still paying the price.

personally i don't agree with fighting individual terrorists with military and air strikes, but if terrorists form armies and occupy whole areas, you have no choice, police actions won't work.

 

[gaiusmarius]

roflmao...

Propaganda... Again?

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[bigtacofarmer]

Sorry. Maybe I should have read more. I just find the words "civil society" funny. I have met a few civil people.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

I'm waiting to see what country is helped next. Any takers?

 

[gaiusmarius]

I'm waiting to see what country is helped next. Any takers?

i think Trump wants to help Iran next, but it might be a bit awkward, so first they will finish off the Houthis and the Lebanese group Hezbollah, so probably Lebanon will be helped to democracy by being bombed back to the stone age and invaded by foreign backed terrorists next. Iran will be saved up til they have no more allies like Syria, Hezbollah and the Houthis.

 

[gaiusmarius]

wasn't sure about posting this here, but it might interest some. i actually wonder how accurate their analysis is? probably not bias free, but still interesting.

Why the U.S. Military is Woefully Unprepared for a Major Conventional Conflict


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[Elmer Bud]

Arabs Are Not Just Arabs - Syrian Girl

108morris108

 

[gaiusmarius]

holy crap, check it out...

holy crap, check it out...

i found this interview with the boss of Hayat Tahrir al Sham aka al Nusra, aka Syrian al Qaida. apparently ALL the factions in Idlib have united under one command.

this is a union of the less extreme groups with the most extreme ones, that means we no longer have a moderate faction in Idlib, if we ever did. it's now well and truely a terrorist run territory. further more this alliance includes groups who had agreed to the de militarized zone deal and those that never agreed to it or any truce, even though all the groups are benefitting from the cease fire to fortify and organize defense, at the same time their so called special forces are attacking outside Idlib.

so yeah, this cease fire can't hold up...

this interview is being done by a literal US terrorist sympathizer and or possible cia plant by the name of Bilal Abdul Kareem. he was one of those sending a number of; this is my last words on earth from Aleppo, messages, lol. some how years later he still here, even though he was saying everyone under siege back in eastern Aleppo would be massacred, some how he was ok.

HTS: All Rebel Groups Now Working Together
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