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The Recipe with CES and Liquid Kool Bloom!
- Thread starter Thundurkel
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hahaha mybad I know I just figure if my dumb stoner ass can figure it all out it should be simple enough for most haha
thundurkle: how are you like the recipe with ces.....
im still racking my brain if i wanna do gh hard water or ces in my coco experiment, i would rather go with ces but gh has the low calcium formula. maybe ces in veg and gh in bloom with organic additives. im wanna see how the plants look compared to my usual organic runs.
im still racking my brain if i wanna do gh hard water or ces in my coco experiment, i would rather go with ces but gh has the low calcium formula. maybe ces in veg and gh in bloom with organic additives. im wanna see how the plants look compared to my usual organic runs.
To be honest I LOVE CES!! I've started to used their new organic additives and I can see difference especially in root growth on my clones. So far I've gotten my BEST looking and tasting buds in my CFL cab with the CES line and the a modified Head/Rez Formula which I'm sure you've seen this pic but peep the difference!
It's your strain which I am damn near positive is Double Purple Blowfish after researching both parents it's a perfect blend of the two
But yea the bud on the left is 8 weeks under HID with Pure Blend Pro, Kool Bloom and Floralicious+ and the bud on the right is CES with the Head formula when I first tried it out and it's only at 7 weeks! Look how much more swollen the calyxes are 
Chunky and way more fatter than the other nute mix. I'm sure it's because CES cuz I have better results with everything so far in the cab and the ladies in the tent love it!! I had a mag problem with my LB#5s and I think its cuz the were right under the light working the hardest? But other than that here's my DPBF's and a lil LB#5 in the middle at 30 days
30 days of flowering
Left: Double Purple Blowfish aka LB#6
Middle: LB#5
Right: Double Purple Blowfish aka LB#6
This is what Joel over at CES said when I asked if I could use the organic additives with the regular line..
"Yes, you can use the organics in conjunction with the 6-part conventional line. The one thing I would say about the Solar Gaia is that you should use it sparingly for plants that you know are prone to stretching. Fulvic Acid (which is a part of SG), has a tendency to "stretch" plants, so I would not alwyas suggest using it in flower (unless you have high/no ceilings). Use the G-Rex during transplant, 1-2oz bottle per 4-5 gallons of water, or in the rez 2-4 oz per 50 gallons. Sugaree should be used in the last 3-4 weeks at 5 mils/gallon."
Here's what I asked about GREX and what he said...
"I was curious what you would compare the
> GREX to of other companies is it like Humboldt Roots or the H&G shit ect???
> I can tell my seedlings have improved in health over night with the GREX
> and SOLAR GAIA!! Just trying to get an idea of what products those compare
> to.. Thanks for all your help again the girls are RIDICULOUS!!"
And his reply..
"I honestly wouldn't compare G-Rex to anything else out there. There are other fungal inoculants on the market, but they are dehydrated re-labeled products. Our biological products are propogated in our labratory by a ph. d mycologist, so we know that our strains are fresh, natural, and isolated. H&G roots excelurator is essentially a rooting hormone like dip n' grow with some vitamin B1. "
Since I started using the GREX on my cuttings I have WAY better roots! I get feeder roots branching off of the roots sticking out of the cubes which I never had before!
It's your strain which I am damn near positive is Double Purple Blowfish after researching both parents it's a perfect blend of the two
But yea the bud on the left is 8 weeks under HID with Pure Blend Pro, Kool Bloom and Floralicious+ and the bud on the right is CES with the Head formula when I first tried it out and it's only at 7 weeks! Look how much more swollen the calyxes are Chunky and way more fatter than the other nute mix. I'm sure it's because CES cuz I have better results with everything so far in the cab and the ladies in the tent love it!! I had a mag problem with my LB#5s and I think its cuz the were right under the light working the hardest? But other than that here's my DPBF's and a lil LB#5 in the middle at 30 days 30 days of flowering
Left: Double Purple Blowfish aka LB#6
Middle: LB#5
Right: Double Purple Blowfish aka LB#6
This is what Joel over at CES said when I asked if I could use the organic additives with the regular line..
"Yes, you can use the organics in conjunction with the 6-part conventional line. The one thing I would say about the Solar Gaia is that you should use it sparingly for plants that you know are prone to stretching. Fulvic Acid (which is a part of SG), has a tendency to "stretch" plants, so I would not alwyas suggest using it in flower (unless you have high/no ceilings). Use the G-Rex during transplant, 1-2oz bottle per 4-5 gallons of water, or in the rez 2-4 oz per 50 gallons. Sugaree should be used in the last 3-4 weeks at 5 mils/gallon."
Here's what I asked about GREX and what he said...
"I was curious what you would compare the
> GREX to of other companies is it like Humboldt Roots or the H&G shit ect???
> I can tell my seedlings have improved in health over night with the GREX
> and SOLAR GAIA!! Just trying to get an idea of what products those compare
> to.. Thanks for all your help again the girls are RIDICULOUS!!"
And his reply..
"I honestly wouldn't compare G-Rex to anything else out there. There are other fungal inoculants on the market, but they are dehydrated re-labeled products. Our biological products are propogated in our labratory by a ph. d mycologist, so we know that our strains are fresh, natural, and isolated. H&G roots excelurator is essentially a rooting hormone like dip n' grow with some vitamin B1. "
Since I started using the GREX on my cuttings I have WAY better roots! I get feeder roots branching off of the roots sticking out of the cubes which I never had before!
have you used the uncle johns blend with your routine, or does that throw the lucas/rez formula off to much?
Yea I have been using it and no it doesn't throw it off by much if you use it at 5ml a gal.. Hey What Blowfish did you have? Was it outta the pack 3LBs got or the other? I just read about how special that strain was...
my blowfish is from jojorizo's old stock from cbay....
i would love to see you do the rezipe ces and the ces chart side by side...
the ces chart uses 5 micro, 15 bloom in flower...
and the modified ces rezipe uses 5 micro 10 bloom...
thats a big difference in bloom, but im thinking the koolbloom powder sets things straight in a way....
what are the benefits of the rezipe over the chart?
the ces chart uses 5 micro, 15 bloom in flower...
and the modified ces rezipe uses 5 micro 10 bloom...
thats a big difference in bloom, but im thinking the koolbloom powder sets things straight in a way....
what are the benefits of the rezipe over the chart?
migreencross
New member
Whats the recommendation for a flood and drain system? Would the 6/9 formula be efficient?
15ml of Bloom burned my girls in week 3! Also the veg mix on the chart doesn't work as well IMO and another user at the BAY
what were you quoted on?
migreencross
New member
urkle... do u think this recipe would be good for a flood and drain system?
HA!!! Mybad good looking on that cuz it's priceless info!
any ideas on what would be the amount needed of botanicare cal mag to get the closest to the lucas/rezipe formula with CES, dropping thier mag amp and plant amp, would the extra N of the botanicare level things out or throw it off too much.
thanks calculator wizards.....
thanks calculator wizards.....
the plant amp is dropping my ph to 3.5, which makes me a little nervous even though they say its the way it works..... it would be nice to sub it with botanicare instead, get that little bit of N too, but with my luck it will throw the ratio off.
im having fun seeing how the chem coco experiment stacks up to my organic soil grows... loving everyones crazy coco schedules too, and im learning alot about basic horticultural chemistry to boot
teas and guanos to calculators and ratios....
thanks for the thread.....
im having fun seeing how the chem coco experiment stacks up to my organic soil grows... loving everyones crazy coco schedules too, and im learning alot about basic horticultural chemistry to boot
teas and guanos to calculators and ratios....
thanks for the thread.....
No sweat thanks for making Double Purple Blowfish! Gotta get it under your nose to be sure but I'm 90% positive that's what it is after I saw a Blowfish plant of Jojo's..
As for the Plant Amp I have dropped it as well since I found I had plenty of Cal in my tap water. Now the Mag Amped I wouldn't get rid of cuz Big Mike from AN put out this new PH Manifesto report that is quite interesting. He said there are no companies with a Chelated Magnesium supplement and why people have issues ect which I found to be funny looking at CES Mag Amped is a Chelated Mag supplement! Plus is doesn't drop the PH AND if you DON'T need the Cal or extra N it's a lifesaver I like it seperate the more I read and learn. Also just get Organicare Calplex and Huvega and you can do the same and Huvega doesn't mess with the Sulfur like Mag Amped. But yea I noticed my Mag problems was from the excess Cal from Plant Amp and have dropped it and I am having no problems.
As for which profile you want to be closer to is up to you so if you want to have it like Rez just run 6/10 with 2.5ml Calplex and if you want it like Head 6/10 2.5ml Calplex 5ml Mag Amped or Huvega
Or you can be like me and just drop the Plant Amp cause I'm guessing your tap water has plenty of Cal in it as well... Also in that PH Manifesto from AN it had some important shit about Well Water that made me think of you so you might want to check it out I think it's some valuable info he gave out to the community..
As for the Plant Amp I have dropped it as well since I found I had plenty of Cal in my tap water. Now the Mag Amped I wouldn't get rid of cuz Big Mike from AN put out this new PH Manifesto report that is quite interesting. He said there are no companies with a Chelated Magnesium supplement and why people have issues ect which I found to be funny looking at CES Mag Amped is a Chelated Mag supplement! Plus is doesn't drop the PH AND if you DON'T need the Cal or extra N it's a lifesaver I like it seperate the more I read and learn. Also just get Organicare Calplex and Huvega and you can do the same and Huvega doesn't mess with the Sulfur like Mag Amped. But yea I noticed my Mag problems was from the excess Cal from Plant Amp and have dropped it and I am having no problems.
As for which profile you want to be closer to is up to you so if you want to have it like Rez just run 6/10 with 2.5ml Calplex and if you want it like Head 6/10 2.5ml Calplex 5ml Mag Amped or Huvega
Or you can be like me and just drop the Plant Amp cause I'm guessing your tap water has plenty of Cal in it as well... Also in that PH Manifesto from AN it had some important shit about Well Water that made me think of you so you might want to check it out I think it's some valuable info he gave out to the community..
It should be noted that most 'sugar' products also contain Mg (and S). So if your water has enough Ca, and your late enough in flower to not need added N, FloraNectar, Sweet, Sugar Daddy, all contain epsom salts (MgSO4; etc)
Also to be noted, we are generally shooting for a 8:4:1 or 4:2:1 of K:Ca:Mg. Most Cal Mags are close to 3:1 Ca:Mg, which is a good ratio. But dont start going overboard with 'Sugar' products. (From what ive seen a 4:5 Ca:Mg is as far as i would push the Mg)
Also to be noted, we are generally shooting for a 8:4:1 or 4:2:1 of K:Ca:Mg. Most Cal Mags are close to 3:1 Ca:Mg, which is a good ratio. But dont start going overboard with 'Sugar' products. (From what ive seen a 4:5 Ca:Mg is as far as i would push the Mg)
cool... thanks for the info guys...
much appreciated...
much appreciated...
