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The official 2020 Trump re election thread.
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Ones a lawyer, the others nothing.
You ever comment on your own country? You have to knock ours instead?
You are welcome to make a thread on British politics - if that is your want - this thread looks to be about US politics to me - and anyone can comment on it - regardless of nationality -
- Anyway - lets look at the educational achievements of both nominee's - First up Joe Biden - just google Biden lies about his education - and this popped up - whether its the gospel truth or not - I'll leave that for you to figure out -
'The man cannot tell where truth ends and lying begins. Speaking at a rally in South Carolina on Saturday, Democrat presidential candidate Joe Biden did it again: He conflated some of his real history with enough fantasy to make his candidacy more appealing to his audience. He told his audience of supporters, “I got started out of an HBCU (historically black college/university), Delaware State.”
He didn’t attend Delaware State but the University of Delaware, instead.
His recollection of his education was muddled. While he did graduate from the University of Delaware, it’s clear that he was more interested in playing football and entertaining the ladies than studying, graduating 506th in a class of 688 with just a “C” average. Biden claimed that he received three degrees but later recanted when confronted with the facts: “I said three and I should have said two.” But even that was incorrect: He earned a single Bachelor of Arts degree in history and political science.
Somehow, however, that was enough for Biden to earn a full ride scholarship to Syracuse University, graduating “in the top half of my class in law school,” according to the presidential candidate. When James Dickenson looked into the matter more closely, he wrote in the Washington Post that Biden attended law school on a half-scholarship based not on academic prowess but on financial need, graduating near the bottom of his class, at 76 out of 85 students.' -
Monday, 28 October 2019
Another Biden Lie — About His Education - https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=yABT_1589652632
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usne...ctually-graduated-from-university-of-delaware
- Anyway - lets look at the educational achievements of both nominee's - First up Joe Biden - just google Biden lies about his education - and this popped up - whether its the gospel truth or not - I'll leave that for you to figure out -
'The man cannot tell where truth ends and lying begins. Speaking at a rally in South Carolina on Saturday, Democrat presidential candidate Joe Biden did it again: He conflated some of his real history with enough fantasy to make his candidacy more appealing to his audience. He told his audience of supporters, “I got started out of an HBCU (historically black college/university), Delaware State.”
He didn’t attend Delaware State but the University of Delaware, instead.
His recollection of his education was muddled. While he did graduate from the University of Delaware, it’s clear that he was more interested in playing football and entertaining the ladies than studying, graduating 506th in a class of 688 with just a “C” average. Biden claimed that he received three degrees but later recanted when confronted with the facts: “I said three and I should have said two.” But even that was incorrect: He earned a single Bachelor of Arts degree in history and political science.
Somehow, however, that was enough for Biden to earn a full ride scholarship to Syracuse University, graduating “in the top half of my class in law school,” according to the presidential candidate. When James Dickenson looked into the matter more closely, he wrote in the Washington Post that Biden attended law school on a half-scholarship based not on academic prowess but on financial need, graduating near the bottom of his class, at 76 out of 85 students.' -
Monday, 28 October 2019
Another Biden Lie — About His Education - https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=yABT_1589652632
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usne...ctually-graduated-from-university-of-delaware
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I could pose the same question to you,an American you are not.
Anyone who makes a joke out of Arlington Cemetery is not welcomed in my country.
Hello all,
You clearly are not paying attention, ay?
How Smart Is Trump? A History of the President's Weird Obsession With IQ
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-intelligence-history-iq-obsession-630056
As to my education...much like the road less traveled it has made all the difference, ay.
minds_I
All are welcome here The idiots
The libtards
The foreigners
And especially the patriots
The libtards
The foreigners
And especially the patriots
He's smart enough to make billions of dollars bang porn stars marry supermodels
Have smart healthy kids and save America from Obamas disastrous 8 yrs of failures and identity politics
Yeah well academically neither Trump nor Biden are in any way impressive - and that's probably why they are where they are today -
Banging porn stars and supermodels is just about having money - not about intelligence or academic ability methinks -
- both candidates look to be what could be considered as - under achievers in school/college/university -
Banging porn stars and supermodels is just about having money - not about intelligence or academic ability methinks -
- both candidates look to be what could be considered as - under achievers in school/college/university -
Hello all,
Interesting factoid....this is hydroxyorangethinskin's 265th trip to one of his golf courses.
All, on the tab of you and I, John Q. Taxpayer.
makes you proud, ay?
Addendum:...also, have you noticed, tRump is on his back foot, ay? buahahahaha
minds_I
VOTE!
Interesting factoid....this is hydroxyorangethinskin's 265th trip to one of his golf courses.
All, on the tab of you and I, John Q. Taxpayer.
makes you proud, ay?
Addendum:...also, have you noticed, tRump is on his back foot, ay? buahahahaha
minds_I
VOTE!
Now back to your own plate.
Well - we could hook-up British politics with USA politics thru some of the plagiarised speeches Joe Biden has made in the past - particularly the one where Joe was using one by ex-British Labour party leader Niel Kinnock (amongst many others) - and making out like it was his own speech -
Joe Biden Drops Out Of Presidential Race For Plagiarism- 1988
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...3E8F85CC79484114A22A3E8&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
Joe Biden Drops Out Of Presidential Race For Plagiarism- 1988
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...3E8F85CC79484114A22A3E8&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
Hello all,
Here some more lies...
Mar. 11: Trump announces restrictions on travelers from Europe, but they’re riddled with exceptions and don’t become effective until Mar. 14.
Mar. 13: “Europe was just designated as the hotspot right now, and we closed that border a while ago,” Trump says, although the border remains open and the restrictions he issued two days earlier are not yet in effect.
Mar. 14: Trump’s latest restrictions go into effect. But his surprise announcement blindsides European allies, as well as the US Department of Homeland Security, both of which are unprepared for the resulting chaos. Passengers returning to America are funneled through 13 US airports, including JFK, O’Hare, and Dallas/Ft. Worth, where they stand for hours in overcrowded lines, awaiting inconsistent, superficial, and sometimes non-existent health screenings from untrained US customs officers.
Apr. 20: Trump lies again about the travel restrictions: “n January… we put on a ban of [sic] China, where China can’t come in. And before March, we put on a ban on Europe, where Europe can’t come in. So how could you say I wasn’t taking it seriously?”
When a reporter presses Trump about his campaign rallies in February and March, he doubles down:
“But — no, no,” Trump answers, “Wait. But you can’t say this. Look, I put on a ban. In other words, I stopped China from coming to the United States. I stopped Europe from coming into the United States, long before the March date that you’re talking about. So people should say I acted very early.”
https://billmoyers.com/story/trump-and-his-travel-bans/
My president lies to me daily, I do not accept that, question is , why do you still, ay?
minds_I
Here some more lies...
Mar. 11: Trump announces restrictions on travelers from Europe, but they’re riddled with exceptions and don’t become effective until Mar. 14.
Mar. 13: “Europe was just designated as the hotspot right now, and we closed that border a while ago,” Trump says, although the border remains open and the restrictions he issued two days earlier are not yet in effect.
Mar. 14: Trump’s latest restrictions go into effect. But his surprise announcement blindsides European allies, as well as the US Department of Homeland Security, both of which are unprepared for the resulting chaos. Passengers returning to America are funneled through 13 US airports, including JFK, O’Hare, and Dallas/Ft. Worth, where they stand for hours in overcrowded lines, awaiting inconsistent, superficial, and sometimes non-existent health screenings from untrained US customs officers.
Apr. 20: Trump lies again about the travel restrictions: “n January… we put on a ban of [sic] China, where China can’t come in. And before March, we put on a ban on Europe, where Europe can’t come in. So how could you say I wasn’t taking it seriously?”
When a reporter presses Trump about his campaign rallies in February and March, he doubles down:
“But — no, no,” Trump answers, “Wait. But you can’t say this. Look, I put on a ban. In other words, I stopped China from coming to the United States. I stopped Europe from coming into the United States, long before the March date that you’re talking about. So people should say I acted very early.”
https://billmoyers.com/story/trump-and-his-travel-bans/
My president lies to me daily, I do not accept that, question is , why do you still, ay?
minds_I
the key reason dc hates president trump - its a big club and he is not in it...
Something 99% of American voters do not understand. Congress doesn’t actually write legislation. The last item of legislation written by congress was sometime around the mid 1990’s. Modern legislation is sub-contracted to a segment of operations in DC known as K-Street. That’s where the lobbyists reside.
Lobbyists write the laws; congress sells the laws; lobbyists then pay congress commissions for passing their laws. That’s the modern legislative business in DC.
CTH often describes the system with the phrase: “There are Trillions at Stake.” The process of creating legislation is behind that phrase. DC politics is not quite based on the ideas that frame most voter’s reference points.
With people taking notice of DC politics for the first time; and with people not as familiar with the purpose of DC politics; perhaps it is valuable to provide clarity.
Most people think when they vote for a federal politician -a House or Senate representative- they are voting for a person who will go to Washington DC and write or enact legislation. This is the old-fashioned “schoolhouse rock” perspective based on decades past. There is not a single person in congress writing legislation or laws.
In modern politics not a single member of the House of Representatives or Senator writes a law, or puts pen to paper to write out a legislative construct. This simply doesn’t happen.
Over the past several decades a system of constructing legislation has taken over Washington DC that more resembles a business operation than a legislative body. Here’s how it works right now.
Outside groups, often called “special interest groups”, are entities that represent their interests in legislative constructs. These groups are often representing foreign governments, Wall Street multinational corporations, banks, financial groups or businesses; or smaller groups of people with a similar connection who come together and form a larger group under an umbrella of interest specific to their affiliation.
Sometimes the groups are social interest groups; activists, climate groups, environmental interests etc. The social interest groups are usually non-profit constructs who depend on the expenditures of government to sustain their cause or need.
The for-profit groups (mostly business) have a purpose in Washington DC to shape policy, legislation and laws favorable to their interests. They have fully staffed offices just like any business would – only their ‘business‘ is getting legislation for their unique interests.
These groups are filled with highly-paid lawyers who represent the interests of the entity and actually write laws and legislation briefs.
In the modern era this is actually the origination of the laws that we eventually see passed by congress. Within the walls of these buildings within Washington DC is where the ‘sausage’ is actually made.
Again, no elected official is usually part of this law origination process.
Almost all legislation created is not ‘high profile’, they are obscure changes to current laws, regulations or policies that no-one pays attention to. The passage of the general bills within legislation is not covered in media. Ninety-nine percent of legislative activity happens without anyone outside the system even paying any attention to it.
Once the corporation or representative organizational entity has written the law they want to see passed – they hand it off to the lobbyists.
The lobbyists are people who have deep contacts within the political bodies of the legislative branch, usually former House/Senate staff or former House/Senate politicians themselves.
The lobbyist takes the written brief, the legislative construct, and it’s their job to go to congress and sell it.
“Selling it” means finding politicians who will accept the brief, sponsor their bill and eventually get it to a vote and passage. The lobbyist does this by visiting the politician in their office, or, most currently familiar, by inviting the politician to an event they are hosting. The event is called a junket when it involves travel.
Often the lobbying “event” might be a weekend trip to a ski resort, or a “conference” that takes place at a resort. The actual sales pitch for the bill is usually not too long and the majority of the time is just like a mini vacation etc.
The size of the indulgence within the event, the amount of money the lobbyist is spending, is customarily related to the scale of benefit within the bill the sponsoring business entity is pushing. If the sponsoring business or interest group can gain a lot of financial benefit from the legislation they spend a lot on the indulgences.
Recap: Corporations (special interest group) write the legislation. Lobbyists take the law and go find politician(s) to support it. Politicians get support from their peers using tenure and status etc. Eventually, if things go according to norm, the legislation gets a vote.
Within every step of the process there are expense account lunches, dinners, trips, venue tickets and a host of other customary financial way-points to generate/leverage a successful outcome. The amount of money spent is proportional to the benefit derived from the outcome.
The important part to remember is that the origination of the entire process is EXTERNAL to congress.
Congress does not write laws or legislation, special interest groups do. Lobbyists are paid, some very well paid, to get politicians to go along with the need of the legislative group.
When you are voting for a Congressional Rep or a U.S. Senator you are not voting for a person who will write laws. Your rep only votes on legislation to approve or disapprove of constructs that are written by outside groups and sold to them through lobbyists who work for those outside groups.
While all of this is happening the same outside groups who write the laws are providing money for the campaigns of the politicians they need to pass them. This construct sets up the quid-pro-quo of influence, although much of it is fraught with plausible deniability.
This is the way legislation is created.
If your frame of reference is not established in this basic understanding you can often fall into the trap of viewing a politician, or political vote, through a false prism.
The modern origin of all legislative constructs is not within congress.
“We have to pass the bill to, well, find out what is in the bill” etc. ~ Nancy Pelosi 2009
“We rely upon the stupidity of the American voter” ~ Johnathan Gruber 2011, 2012.
“If Congress isn’t going to convene until the bill is ready to vote on… who the hell is writing the bill?” ~ Tom Massie, 2020
Once you understand this process you can understand how politicians get rich.
When a House or Senate member becomes educated on the intent of the legislation, they have attended the sales pitch; and when they find out the likelihood of support for that legislation; they can then position their own (or their families) financial interests to benefit from the consequence of passage. It is a process similar to insider trading on Wall Street, except the trading is based on knowing who will benefit from a legislative passage.
The legislative construct passes from K-Street into the halls of congress through congressional committees. The law originates from the committee to the full House or Senate. Committee seats which vote on these bills are therefore more valuable to the lobbyists. Chairs of these committees are exponentially more valuable.
Now, think about this reality against the backdrop of the 2016 Presidential Election. Legislation is passed based on ideology. In the aftermath of the 2016 election the system within DC was not structurally set-up to receive a Donald Trump presidency.
If Hillary Clinton had won the election, her Oval Office desk would be filled with legislation passed by congress which she would have been signing. Heck, she’d have writer’s cramp from all of the special interest legislation, driven by special interest groups that supported her campaign, that would be flowing to her desk.
Why?
Simply because the authors of the legislation, the originating special interest and lobbying groups, were spending millions to fund her campaign. Hillary Clinton would be signing K-Street constructed special interest legislation to repay all of those donors/investors.
Congress would be fast-tracking the passage because the same interest groups also fund the members of congress.
President Donald Trump winning the election threw a monkey wrench into the entire DC system…. In early 2017 the modern legislative machine was frozen in place.
The “America First” policies represented by candidate Donald Trump were not within the legislative constructs coming from the K-Street authors of the legislation. There were no MAGA lobbyists waiting on Trump ideology to advance legislation based on America First objectives.
As a result of an empty feeder system, in early 2017 congress had no bills to advance because all of the myriad of bills and briefs written were not in line with President Trump policy. There was simply no entity within DC writing legislation that was in-line with President Trump’s America-First’ economic and foreign policy agenda.
Exactly the opposite was true. All of the DC legislative briefs and constructs were/are antithetical to Trump policy. There were hundreds of file boxes filled with thousands of legislative constructs that became worthless when Donald Trump won the election.
Those legislative constructs (briefs) representing tens of millions of dollars worth of time and influence were just sitting there piled up in boxes under desks and in closets amid K-Street and the congressional offices. Legislation needed to be in-line with an entire new political perspective, and there was no-one, no special interest or lobbying group, currently occupying DC office space with any interest in synergy with Trump policy.
Think about the larger ramifications within that truism. That is also why there was/is so much opposition.
No legislation provided by outside interests means no work for lobbyists who sell it. No work means no money. No money means no expense accounts. No expenses means politicians paying for their own indulgences etc.
Politicians were not happy without their indulgences, but the issue was actually bigger. No K-Street expenditures also means no personal benefit; and no opportunity to advance financial benefit from the insider trading system. Republicans and democrats hate the presidency of Donald Trump because it is hurting them financially.
President Trump is not figuratively hurting the financial livelihoods of DC politicians; he’s literally doing it. President Trump is not an esoteric problem for them; his impact is very real, very direct, and hits almost every politician in the most painful place imaginable, the bank account.
In the pre-Trump process there were millions upon millions, even billions that could be made by DC politicians and their families. Thousands of very indulgent and exclusive livelihoods attached to the DC business model. At the center of this operation is the lobbying and legislative purchase network. The Big Club.
Without the ability to position personal wealth and benefit from the system, why would a politician stay in office? It is a fact the income of many long-term politicians on both wings of the uniparty bird were completely disrupted by Trump winning the 2016 election. That is one of the key reason why so many politicians retired in 2018.
When we understand the business of DC, we understand the difference between legislation with a traditional purpose and modern legislation with a financial and political agenda.
When we understand the business of DC we understand why the entire network hates President Donald Trump.
Lastly, this is why -when signing legislation- President Trump often says “they’ve been trying to get this through for a long time” etc. Most of the legislation that is passed by congress, and signed by President Trump in his first term; is older legislative proposals, with little indulgent value that were shelved in years past.
Example: Criminal justice reform did not carry a financial benefit to the legislative bodies, and there was no financial interest funding the politicians to pass the bill. If you look at most of the bills President Trump has signed, with the exception of a few economic bills, they stem from congressional construction many years, even decades, ago.
Think about it carefully and you’ll see it. The “First step act”, “Right to Try”, etc. were all shelved by Boehner, Pelosi, Ryan, McConnell, Reid and others before them. When the value of legislation is measured by the financial underwriting and payoffs behind it, what type of legislative calendar does that require?….
this is all round a damn good informative post man, but i dont think its quite true to say; Trump hasn't passed legislation that benefits what he sees as loyalty.
also you have old war hawks coming up with their own shelved legislation from the bush junior era. but he has certainly pissed off many on k street. but you better believe lobbyists have adapted by now and are bringing legislation full of goodies for his supporters. even in the corona bills.
Fair warning...
i plan to strictly delete any posts containing personal insults of other members. i keep saying it, the speakers corrner is only open to members that refrain from primitive name calling and personal insults. discuss the topic, not each other.
i plan to strictly delete any posts containing personal insults of other members. i keep saying it, the speakers corrner is only open to members that refrain from primitive name calling and personal insults. discuss the topic, not each other.
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Uncalled for.
You made the fatal mistake of being fair to both sides.
Showing flaws in..in...in..in Biden,as well as the President.
Not acceptable to not denounce the President in every post you make.I commend you for proper social distancing.
Hmmm - yeah - I guess that you could call me an independant non-partisan/impartial foreign observer - that doesn't cheer, nor vote for any side of the political divide - but I am very interested in the machinations of the political scene in the USA and elsewhere - so I comment - since I do read-up on what the main actors are doing now, and what they did in the past -
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Politics is real!
Flat earth, moon landing, who shot jfk.. All distractions from the real conspiracy.
You guys don't smoke enough pot if you think the democrats want to win. Lay off the booze. Should be beyond obvious, when the world military, the US isn't bombing brown people, theyrr acting out a comedy skit.
Flat earth, moon landing, who shot jfk.. All distractions from the real conspiracy.
You guys don't smoke enough pot if you think the democrats want to win. Lay off the booze. Should be beyond obvious, when the world military, the US isn't bombing brown people, theyrr acting out a comedy skit.
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