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ganja_guru

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Would it be safe to say a 600w e pap is effective for a 10 sqft area? With multiple lights for overlap. Eg. 850sqft rm would need 85 600w epaps.

GG
 
pHive.8

pHive.8

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ganja_guru said:
Would it be safe to say a 600w e pap is effective for a 10 sqft area? With multiple lights for overlap. Eg. 850sqft rm would need 85 600w epaps.

GG
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Technically you're right about that. But 85 600W ePaps are much more expensive than 48 1000W ePaps.

Next to that it would mean you have 1 1000W in every 18 sqft. So in 4ft by 4ft6". That would give you a perfect coverage if you put them 3ft above the plant.

I would always invest in the 1000W ePap if I had the choice between the 600W ePap and the 1000W ePap.
 
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ganja_guru

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According to my calculations for the price of 50 1000w, I can get 77 600w for the same price. Not sure if the 1000w come in 347v, but I know the 600's do, if so it will take 122 less amps to run 77 600's at 347v compared to 50 1000's at 240v. Correct me if I'm wrong but can't find anything stating otherwise on your website.

prices are a written quote by a canadian distribute for 1000+ units.

Cheers GG.
 
pHive.8

pHive.8

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ganja_guru said:
According to my calculations for the price of 50 1000w, I can get 77 600w for the same price. Not sure if the 1000w come in 347v, but I know the 600's do, if so it will take 122 less amps to run 77 600's at 347v compared to 50 1000's at 240v. Correct me if I'm wrong but can't find anything stating otherwise on your website.

prices are a written quote by a canadian distribute for 1000+ units.

Cheers GG.
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Hey Ganja,
So if 50 1000W's costs the same as 77 600W's the 1000W is better value. You'll get more light with the 1000W fixtures than you would get with the 600W's.

50 * 2100 micromol = 105.000 micrmol emitted
77 * 1190 micromol = 91.630 micromol emitted
(This is PPF, not PPFD)
The actual lightlevel depends on how big the surface is to which the photons are emitted to.


Both the 1000W and the 600W come in 347V too.


So then there's the question on the power consumption between the two. This is calculated in Watts (kilowatts) and not amps.
The amps depend on the voltage.
Power = voltage * amps.
The powerconsumption for a 1000W is always 1060W. It doesn't matter whether they run on 240V, 230V, 347V, 277 etc.
The power consumption of the 600W is always 640W.

50 * 1090W = 54.500W
77 * 640W = 49.280W.

But..
You only get 91.630 micromols instead of 105.000.
To get the same amount of micromols you would need (105.000 / 1190 = ) 88 600W's.
88* 640W = 56.320W


So:
50 ePapillon 1000W fixtures provide the same amount of light as 88 ePapillon 600W fixtures.
For 50 ePapillon 1000W fixtures you can only buy 77 ePapillon 600W fixtures.
The powerconsumption of 50 ePapillon 1000W fixtures is the same as the powerconsumption of 88 ePapillon 600W fixtures.

This means the ePapillon 1000W and the ePapillon 600W are equally efficient. But the ePapillon 1000W is better priced.

Of course you are right saying that more lightpoints will provide more penetration. If the ePaps 1000W will give you a 85% uniformity or more, you will not see the difference in your plants.
 
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ganja_guru

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So in your opinion I would be better off with 1000? even with a 10' ceiling with 4-5 foot plants sitting 1 foot off the ground. not including the container another 16". So top of plant would be 7' and the fixture is hung at 10' only giving me 2'-3' head space between the canopy and bulb. that why I was leaning towards 600's.

thanks.

cheers GG
 
pHive.8

pHive.8

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ganja_guru said:
So in your opinion I would be better off with 1000? even with a 10' ceiling with 4-5 foot plants sitting 1 foot off the ground. not including the container another 16". So top of plant would be 7' and the fixture is hung at 10' only giving me 2'-3' head space between the canopy and bulb. that why I was leaning towards 600's.

thanks.

cheers GG
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I think you're better of with 1000W definatey.
3ft between lamp and plant is what we advise.

Good luck with the ePaps!
 
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ganja_guru

Member
Thanks DGS, should have talked to you first. Now have to re think/plan my whole strategy. Though I was being smart going with 600's. What's the best application for using 600's then?

Cheers GG
 
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ganja_guru

Member
Hey DGS, say money was no object. Im working on a large project in Canada and we are looking to build cutting edge grow rooms to set precedents for others to follow. Would you still recommend 1000's?

Cheers GG
 
pHive.8

pHive.8

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advanced396 said:
Looking to set up a 25ft x 25ft room with 11ft ceiling with 20 E-Papillons do you recommend 4ft centers from light to light?


Thanks
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I wouldn't recommend 4ft centers. You'll get a lot of light coming from the ePapillons!
I would go for 4ft by 6ft or even 4ft by 8ft.
 
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Caravaggio

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Pretty major test was just done on all the major Dual Ended bulbs and fixtures. The tests were done by a 3rd party. The results were posted on a local forum here where I live so I figured id share. Pretty impressive results on the AC-De's.

The Gavita def outperformed the ePaps in the par department. All values are in Par value.

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Damn! That AC/DE might actually be worth the scratch...

Did they happen to state what bulbs/ballasts were used in combination with the Sunlight reflectors?
 
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Caravaggio

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Snow Crash said:
Damn! That AC/DE might actually be worth the scratch...

Did they happen to state what bulbs/ballasts were used in combination with the Sunlight reflectors?
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Just the Galaxy i believe and the bulbs were all the Phillips

Im leaning towards the AC/DE's myself. I like the option to duct them if I want to down the road.
 
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