The Haze discussion thread

[flylowgethigh]

One thing I am happy about, is that nobody is even talking about sending any samples of sacred genetics into phylos (except for the jerk bringing up that good fact).

As a pure noob to this weed growing world, and thus only previously smoking good but commercial strains, I am feeling a little Nirvana here. Suddenly surrounded by offers of all these old school Haze genetics being shared by the masters. I picked a good time to start growing my own, and just as my farmer was getting greedy.

Can a guy feel lucky over shit like this happening, or is this just the test joint of AG making me feel this way?

 

[@hempy]

I dont want to get into it with you Chi i know what game your playing here i am tired over it .

 

[JKD]

Whoosh.

 

[Fitzera]

The link you posted did you read the conclusion part



Now if the males carry the ancestral information and we are trying to dig out ancestral plants how you going to achieve that by using females ?

I'm sorry Hempy, I'm not trying to rustle your feathers in any way.
As Chi pointed out, I am simply trying to point out that we are talking about a completely different process to get to a completely different outcome.

Reverse breeding is part of tissue culture. Genetic modification i suppose with the purpose of recreating the original parent(s) without the use of males.

As its stated in the papers, all the chromosomes are there in the female cuts but in different order(?) Forgive my ignorance to the actual science at this time. But the idea is you can get those chromosome or whatever, back to the original sequence of the parents, thus recreating the original parental stock that created the cuts. Thus opening a huge opportunity to work with what is no longer available.

I cant explain it any other way so this is my last response on the subject. If we are all up to speed, awesome, of not...c'est la vie

 

[@hempy]

HEMPY have you grown the Mango haze line with the 5hzC dad? How does it differ from the 5HzA fathered mango haze?

Thanks for sharing your info, I really am curious to the differences in the 5hzA vs 5hzC used in MNS lines currently.

Specifically I am an avid grower of MNS Nevils Haze Mango, and I think over they years I have selected towards HzA. I am not sure. I'd like to hear your feedback of the differences you have observed, if you are willing to share.

I haven't grown both versions my but a friend did and he loved both said the released version gave him a real nice creative high.

The MH beta seed that had the Sk x HzA dad grew out and acted like jungle sativas.

The released version using the Sk x HzC are a lot tamer and what people call practical.

Simplest way HzC gave fruity hybrids HzA more leathery liver going by Nevil.

Both sisters.

The one on the left has the Mango smell larger flowers HzC expressive.

The one on the right has the small flowers is more viney and has no fruit smell HzA expressive.

 

[Chi13]

I'm not playing games or trying to start anything, was just pointing out a possible misunderstanding. You take me the wrong way, hempy.
Peace and out.

 

[@hempy]

My feathers are raffled because some of you think i am here for your amusement and i am not.

No offense but this is not how adults act or people with the same interests.

So excuses me for ignoring set people your no longer worth my time.

 

[Donald Mallard]

the problem is your a bit punchy mate,
even if folks are trying to have a normal converstation with you ,
you see an attack and scream "troll" ,
your right its not funny at all , no one is very amused about it ,
you have been doing it the whole thread , its not new ,
and you did it back at mns too when u felt threatened ...

stop a moment and take a breath and stop reading too far into what folks say,
the ones that have had a bit of a dig at you , you darn well deserved it
for being such a hard head and a difficult person to explain stuff to ...

 

[Fitzera]

My feathers are raffled because some of you think i am here for your amusement and i am not.

No offense but this is not how adults act or people with the same interests.

So excuses me for ignoring set people your no longer worth my time.

Hempy, I'm not trying to fuck with you, I've never tried to fuck with you and I have no reason to fuck with you.

I dont find amusement in trying to help someone understand something theyre not realizing or understanding.

I was trying to help.

In my line of work as well as my last one, mentoring is huge. Teaching, helping, explaining, etc...thats exactly how people with the same interests act.

I am greatful when people mentor me. I love learning new things but even more i love understanding the new learnings.

If you want to take that any other way, that's on you.

I'll leave you be from any further comments as I don't yearn for the negativity it seems to produce.

 

[Ncali]

I haven't grown both versions my but a friend did and he loved both said the released version gave him a real nice creative high.

The MH beta seed that had the Sk x HzA dad grew out and acted like jungle sativas.

The released version using the Sk x HzC are a lot tamer and what people call practical.

Simplest way HzC gave fruity hybrids HzA more leathery liver going by Nevil.


Both sisters.

The one on the left has the Mango smell larger flowers HzC expressive.

The one on the right has the small flowers is more viney and has no fruit smell HzA expressive.

Thanks for sharing the info dude, love the side by side pics.

 

[RingtailCanyon]

I haven't grown both versions my but a friend did and he loved both said the released version gave him a real nice creative high.

The MH beta seed that had the Sk x HzA dad grew out and acted like jungle sativas.

The released version using the Sk x HzC are a lot tamer and what people call practical.

Simplest way HzC gave fruity hybrids HzA more leathery liver going by Nevil.


Both sisters.

The one on the left has the Mango smell larger flowers HzC expressive.

The one on the right has the small flowers is more viney and has no fruit smell HzA expressive.

You still don’t get it. shanti says the release version is with the skunk haze A father.

 

[Donald Mallard]

the others are incorrect as the difference is Mango Haze has Skunk x HzA whereas the SSH is Skunk x Hz C both of these are the male sides of the breed. Sorry sometimes I write things to curb the bs as no one knows what Hz C or Hz A look like so it is historical rather than anything else...but as you know there are many wannabe and smart arses online nowadays so sometimes it is easier to calm rather than agitate...but it is clear now for you? all the best Sb

ive never bothered trying to study and remember what lineages the things are at mns,
so much crap to wade through to get a definitive answer on lineage it seemed ,
but from the quote you are using there ,, shanti wrote that didnt he ringtail ??

i guess hempy thinks you wrote it and therefore he wouldnt believe what you say,
but if nevil or shanti wrote it , then its probably all good and he can believe it , haha ..

 

[Stocktont]

I find it funny how people jump to assumptions and cast aspersions so quickly. There is a reason why they say assumptions are the mother of all f**k ups. I guess you haven't learned that yet.



@Stocktont you have to walk away brother. Raho summarized this behavior best. He's gone uncontrollable attack dog mode. Hempy we still love you.

Good to see there are some passionate haze heads here. Good day people

Hey regseeds that is the best advice in this situation I agree and if it were only me and HEMPY I would just laugh and leave but something tells me that he wouldn’t even display this sort of behavior if having to argue face to face with people. It is true for most arguments online and had we all been sitting by a camp fire and exchanging stories passing those haze hybrid joints we would probably all have come to a better consensus to gently disagree but it’s easy to be tough and absolute sitting behind a screen dishing it out. I have posted in here before and every time I had one of these short interactions it feels like when you woke up from a hard drinking night next to some lady I don’t intend to buy breakfast. I just want to take a shower and forget about it, lol. You know the feeling ”Einhorn is Finkle, Finkle is Einhorn”? hahaha.

 

[Stocktont]

yea all drug type cannabis is indica ,
nld and bld are both indica as tom said for sometime now ,
its just hard to have some of the conversations we do without using the old terminology,
we know what we mean ,, kinda ,, haha ...

Yes it is confusing with the taxonomy or lack thereof in cannabis, I agree we sort of know what we’re talking about hehe, but it would be clearer and it is also quite an interesting discussion. I tried to post an episode of a podcast talking about this before and it’s an interesting starting point for thinking and discussion I think. This is ngakpa from The Real Seed Company as guest talking about names and cannabis with the host. Nice tone and a good start for a conversation regarding how to classify cannabis. In the end I am sure it’s not going to be people like me, stoners, that decide how it is classified but scientists working in the field just like every other scientific topic now that studies can be made and papers can be written on cannabis pretty much without any negative stigma.

https://www.stitcher.com/show/the-c...e/08-the-strain-game-whats-in-a-name-68368311

Hope the link works, season 1 episode 8 ”Strain game - What’s in a name” from the Curious About Cannabis podcast.

 

[Stocktont]

I know three types of Durban, so called Dutch Durban, which should be Sam / Mel Frank's, hybrid and fast (but I found some tasty pheno), cbg's Durban, which should come from afropips, I've never tried it but it looks like an authentic sativa (but I haven't seen fast plants), and of course the original landrace Durban Poison (and sadly I've never seen it)

In the late 90s early 00s there was some South African Durban Poison x Skunk#1 that was sold in seed form and in flower form in many places in Europe. More than one occasion I had people (not online but in the real world smoking it) talk about it as pure ”durban” or ”durban poison”. Common thing with some people when the names were too long I think, some of it got dropped and only the interesting part of the name was kept. The South African Durban Poison x Skunk#1 was pretty good. I have fond memories of smoking that and going to see Bob Dylan. Real nice northern European summer evening at 8 pm, 50 000 people in the audience, everyone sparked up and I sat there on a grassy knoll in the back smoking that ”durban” lol. Had a salty/spicy kind of anise flavor and it was quite nice, up and interesting, perfect for music festivals.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

HEMPY have you grown the Mango haze line with the 5hzC dad? How does it differ from the 5HzA fathered mango haze?

Thanks for sharing your info, I really am curious to the differences in the 5hzA vs 5hzC used in MNS lines currently.

Specifically I am an avid grower of MNS Nevils Haze Mango, and I think over they years I have selected towards HzA. I am not sure. I'd like to hear your feedback of the differences you have observed, if you are willing to share.

I believe that the difference is easy to notice, if the difference is there.
If not, then it is proably so diluted that you barely can notice it.
That said, I grew NH Mango myself and it had all the Haze caracteristics it should have.
Extreme stretch, long flowering times etc. On all the plants.
But didn't like it myself.
If you are inbreeding it, you must have found something great.
Only that matters. Haze A and C is not so important.
Hempys description of hazeA is right. And Haze C I do decribe it as fruitier, and may be lemonier and piney.
At least by comparing A5 and C5, I both smoked very often. But also NH and the others.

Nobody has smoked pure A and C. We all see them through the NL Haze or Skunk Haze etc. glasses. And who knows if they have not used the same NL plant all the time.

Generally we attribuate to many caracteristcs to HazeA, that indeed are from NL x HazeA.
Hempy's F2 he calls hazeA pheno, is indeed an A5 pheno, easily noticeable on the flower structure.
That's not pejorative since Haze A comes from the A5 mother and his F2 more "nld" , less chnuky then Nevils selected cupwinners.

 

[@hempy]

You still don’t get it. shanti says the release version is with the skunk haze A father.

We both agree that there are 2 version of Mango haze the confusion is what is what .

The Mango Haze was a calibration of both Nevil and shanti that means both had a part in the Mango Haze.

Nevil told me he gave Shanti the Sk x HzA and suggested he go threw them for a father to cross to the 122 to make the original Mango Haze it dose not get any clear than that.

Now you believe what ever you want.

 

[Stocktont]

I have a picture of the 5HzA Nevils haze mom growing out doors but i was asked to not post it so i will respect that i also know from Nevil what HzA produced in the way of off spring he has posted a few hints about that and what HzC produced to online.

Dj9 in this thread also has to and your not going to see big flowers.

At the end of the day both sides of the male family being A or C both produce amazing lines.

One thing that needs to be pointed out here is both versions of the Mango Haze are good but they are different.

Well about the NL5 x Haze A there were more than one single female so if you’ve seen one female that doesn’t mean you can rule out any plant that doesn’t look like that one female. And the rest of us have been able to get that information from Nevil as well. You know he posted on public forum right? Not just on your screen. Here’s one picture of a NL5 x Haze A female, she’s been posted a lot, her picture even went all around the world back in the day as yes, the picture of the 1990 catalogue front page was NL5 x Haze A according to Nevil.

 

[@hempy]

If i carried on like you set few are in here in any thread i would get banned.

 

[Donald Mallard]

If i carried on like you set few are in here in any thread i would get banned.

doubtful ,
in fact if you could behave like that set few it would be great ,
they are polite , accurate and to the point,
with even a little bit of humor ,
i dont see anything that even comes close to a bannable offense on the last page ,
or even in the last few ....