Well the description is very clear: a non haze mother is used as a haze, I call her haze but she is not haze, clear ??
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Well the description is very clear: a non haze mother is used as a haze, I call her haze but she is not haze, clear ??
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Absolutely, I didn't want to question anyone's words, it's written in black and white ....
The only problem is that I don't like anyone who takes others in the background, it's my fault, I know ...
The only problem is that I don't like anyone who takes others in the background, it's my fault, I know ...
J.B.Kushfeller
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Hy,Hempy
La nina is Haze B x ww female.
B was very fast for a Haze 10 week plant.
Nevile thought that it is some Haze hybrid for plant B.
So thats why you can find good Haze pheno at 10 weeks in La nina seeds.
Most of them are ready between 9-11 weeks.
funkyhorse
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La Niña summer 2020
La Niña summer 2020
This is La Niña grown in 20 liter pot on summer 2020. I induced her to flower indoors and the day I took this picture took her outdoors and she finnished there because I needed the place for sativas
Stretch x 2
It is an indica plant, it makes nice hash
La Niña summer 2020
This is La Niña grown in 20 liter pot on summer 2020. I induced her to flower indoors and the day I took this picture took her outdoors and she finnished there because I needed the place for sativas
Stretch x 2
It is an indica plant, it makes nice hash
Cantharellus
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Thats funny Hempy. I purchased LaNina from Shanti after he got out of the swiss jail. Before the purchase I messaged him asking if LaNina was in fact Haze B x WW. He gave me one of his famous talking in circles answers that it indeed was made exactly the same as it always had been. Instead of stating that LaNina was MM x WW. The plants were hay. Some of the weakest watered down seeds I have ever purchased. Not even Mids.
JohnnyChicago
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Absolutely keeper status for Original Haze is less than 5%.
If it was 5% there would have been plenty around on forums over the years. But there are none, other than the few that are being shown lately, that seem worth keeping some time. But once in a life time plants? That's more between 0 and 1%.
That's why Sam wants to grow 100.000 plants I guess.
*SamS please select your 40 best, but keep the best 1000 males/females in the field
Getting dizzy with these numbers ...
led05
Chasing The Present
good luck getting them to finish, when they do you'll be rewarded.... The SMC x SMG should be quicker, easier to grow I expect, but not much quicker - both parents are legendary.....
RE SMG..............
29 seeds started, one died off.... 14 males, 14 females, seeds many decades old, line older than that.... believe what you will, those whom know, already know.... - thanks those before, and after me in the chain....
Peace and enjoy HB
led05
Chasing The Present
who's smoke testing the quality of high on all them plants Sam? How will you narrow the 100K to know what the select 20 males and 20 females will be, what about the other 99,960 plants, will any of them every be smoke tested?
Would love to hear how you go about the culling process, at each stage, specifics of why at each stage, age at each stage, what tools you use to determine which to keep at each stage, how many stages of selection are their to narrow the 100K or whatever number it is you actually start with.... This all has been done once or twice before, hasn't it?
The final question is, why'd you wait 30 or more years? Why now, certainly could have bulked and improved the line over these years, perhaps not to same scale as legal environment allows for today but certainly work could have been done?
with, and In all due respect, thank you and best
SSH as Nev`s Haze , Mango Haze that changed after test grows but was not explained ,La Nina that is Haze but is not Haze . And Grail Haze that was Nevil`s quest that Shanti stole the name of .
Funny how all those coincidences happened to one breeder ?
According to Sam himself in the Hash Church episode below @6:30
The original hazebrothers haze consisted of 3 different Colombians.
Punto Roja, a green Colombian and a mauve (light magenta) Colombian
Later some South Indian and Thai were added that Sam gave them (or he added).
(Also Sam says he isn't sure what Hazes Neville got. Listen @7:30.)
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The original hazebrothers haze consisted of 3 different Colombians.
Punto Roja, a green Colombian and a mauve (light magenta) Colombian
Later some South Indian and Thai were added that Sam gave them (or he added).
(Also Sam says he isn't sure what Hazes Neville got. Listen @7:30.)
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TheDarkStorm
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Hempy jessi went back an found the very first version of that exact passage...he even made a thread about it....in that very first version ssh an mango are stated both to be haze c doubling....then that exat passage was altered to say ssh an mango both have haze A an C....then it was alterd to say just mango has the skunk haze a.....so jessi has done a thread about it saying the test seeds are a double of c as that was the very first description...an the current mango is a and c....but the current mango isnt a an c is it,....cus the discription says its c doubled up.....so wen did it have haze a in it an ssh never should have haze a in it at any point either...take alook at jessies thread "mns mango haze"..........
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
The Mango Haze test seed are very different animals to that of the Mango haze that was later released.
What i also know is the mother plants of both Mango haze and SSH are sisters but the fathers are not brothers.
Nevil told me he gave shanti seed and told him to select a male from them to find a father for the Mango haze.
There was also a test seed called Shit Haze that i believe is SkA no one but me did a grow report on it and that was never released that i am aware of.
TheDarkStorm
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Has anyone seen the pictures of the germination tests of the old ssh seeds from 97/98...thers quite afew seed plants been grown out....an they look exactly like how the old ssh looked....all tall skiny plants...highly vigorous an look quite uniform like the old f1's wer.....remind me very much of how the old ssh seeds used to come out....need to see them closer to finish tho
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
TheDarkStorm
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Your ssh looks right hempy...but some look different....shantis put down loads of seeds to test them....but wat some people have looks nothing like any of those plants....
If you have pictures of the shit haze hempy id lve to see those.....ive never seen those before.....I just thought the name was canged from shit haze to skunk haze to be more user friendly.
TheDarkStorm
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This is jessi an leets post discussing mango haze
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Nothing new here to see at the moment, just decided to add a post I did a couple weeks ago in another thread in an effort to keep information available as easily as possible for the next Mango Haze lover searching the internet for the holy grail of cannabis varietys.
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Originally posted by L33t
This is confusing me.On older posts I read that SSH and Mango Haze have the same father.. but now I read they have the same mother instead...This is contradicting information , if I understand things correctly and do not misinterpret your posts. From my understanding only one of the above posts can have the correct info....Could you please elaborate?
Hey L33t,
I think I may be able to help clear up some of the confusion for you, they dont have the same mother plant,there are two different NL5HzC mother plants. Sisters. Having talked with quite a few members privately I have found this kind of information is very confusing for even the most experienced growers. I think the reason you interpreted all of that as having the same mother, is because you werent recognizing the fact there are two different mother plants because their pedigree's are both NL5HzC. So on paper, the pedigree's will look identical even when talking about seperate plants.
I was lucky enough to be one of the original Mango Haze Beta Seeds testers, many years ago now. Im still in possession of those beans to this day actually, having grown them I can tell you they were just fucking amazing! Astonishing even! The main thing I want to concentrate on, is the ultimate lineage of the Mango Haze. The Original beta test seeds Mango Haze was a parallel line to the Super Silver Haze. Their pedigree's were very similar, but with some slight difference. Essentially, the Mango Haze pedigree on the male side was the same father as Super Silver Haze. Which ofcourse, is Skunk HzC.
But the difference between Mango Haze and Super Silver Haze is, the sister of the mother of Super Silver Haze was used to create Mango Haze. So we have two different female NL5HzC here in the equation, one is the mother of SSH and the other is the mother of Mango haze. Sister Mother plants.
So the original Beta test seeds lineage was
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Originally Posted by shantibaba
"......When Nev had found the female line to breed to the haze male to create SSH there was alot of testing and sampling done by quite some legends....Mango is a parallel cross of the SSH.That means the same father but different mothers from the same generation that SSH's mother originated from.Lets say you have two sisters and they had children with the same man...basically...."
What I think has happened, is the quotes you've dug up here correspond to that of the Beta Test seeds, which ofcourse were just that. Test seeds. And the lineage was ultimately tweaked by MNS later down the road, for todays version of Mango Haze. Which ofcourse, is now apparently Skunk x Hz A, as the father of Mango Haze instead of the Original Beta test Seeds father of Skunk x Hz C.
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Originally Posted by shantibaba
just to clear the air from confusion and before you all go making a legend from myth here is how it was done and is done still....
-Mango comes from a parallel cross same as SSH but with one difference
Haze A male combined to Sk 1 or Sk HzA being the male plant, the female is NL5HzC....that is the breeding of those three plants
So having established that the Orginal beta test seeds pedigree for Mango Haze contained the same father as Super Silver Haze, Skunk x Hz C and that the Mango Haze released on the market today has a Skunk x Hz A as the father we can assume the reason for the two contradictions is the pedigree was just simply changed. The constant in the equation is the NL5HzC, but there are two different mother plants for the respected SSH and Mango Varietys.
It can be a little complicated, I know. But it does appear as if a change was made on the father side of the Beta Test Seed Mango haze compared to the Mango Haze on the market today. It sounded like Shanti was adament about stopping the confusion and the making of legends from myths when he wrote about the pedigree's, so it only seems logical to assume the father plants were simply changed in between the times the Beta test Seeds were being discussed and the variety available today.
This is a very special Mango Haze pheno, the most Indica dominant Mango Haze Ive grown to date.
The Beta Test Seeds all yielded some monster plants, quite tall and branchy that reaked of Mangos from even an early age. They produced monster yields, of nice resin coated golf ball sized nugs. Hundreds of bud sites, and all of the buds tasted like Mango. We're talking the real deal, quite possibly the best Marijuana Ive ever grown. But they took a long time, 17+ weeks easy but worth every second of it! So its quite surprising to see a pheno Indica in nature, when I was use to seeing monster Sativas pop out from the Mango Haze beta test seeds!
Hope I helped clear some of the confusion up
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Nothing new here to see at the moment, just decided to add a post I did a couple weeks ago in another thread in an effort to keep information available as easily as possible for the next Mango Haze lover searching the internet for the holy grail of cannabis varietys.
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Originally posted by L33t
This is confusing me.On older posts I read that SSH and Mango Haze have the same father.. but now I read they have the same mother instead...This is contradicting information , if I understand things correctly and do not misinterpret your posts. From my understanding only one of the above posts can have the correct info....Could you please elaborate?
Hey L33t,
I think I may be able to help clear up some of the confusion for you, they dont have the same mother plant,there are two different NL5HzC mother plants. Sisters. Having talked with quite a few members privately I have found this kind of information is very confusing for even the most experienced growers. I think the reason you interpreted all of that as having the same mother, is because you werent recognizing the fact there are two different mother plants because their pedigree's are both NL5HzC. So on paper, the pedigree's will look identical even when talking about seperate plants.
I was lucky enough to be one of the original Mango Haze Beta Seeds testers, many years ago now. Im still in possession of those beans to this day actually, having grown them I can tell you they were just fucking amazing! Astonishing even! The main thing I want to concentrate on, is the ultimate lineage of the Mango Haze. The Original beta test seeds Mango Haze was a parallel line to the Super Silver Haze. Their pedigree's were very similar, but with some slight difference. Essentially, the Mango Haze pedigree on the male side was the same father as Super Silver Haze. Which ofcourse, is Skunk HzC.
But the difference between Mango Haze and Super Silver Haze is, the sister of the mother of Super Silver Haze was used to create Mango Haze. So we have two different female NL5HzC here in the equation, one is the mother of SSH and the other is the mother of Mango haze. Sister Mother plants.
So the original Beta test seeds lineage was
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Originally Posted by shantibaba
"......When Nev had found the female line to breed to the haze male to create SSH there was alot of testing and sampling done by quite some legends....Mango is a parallel cross of the SSH.That means the same father but different mothers from the same generation that SSH's mother originated from.Lets say you have two sisters and they had children with the same man...basically...."
What I think has happened, is the quotes you've dug up here correspond to that of the Beta Test seeds, which ofcourse were just that. Test seeds. And the lineage was ultimately tweaked by MNS later down the road, for todays version of Mango Haze. Which ofcourse, is now apparently Skunk x Hz A, as the father of Mango Haze instead of the Original Beta test Seeds father of Skunk x Hz C.
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Originally Posted by shantibaba
just to clear the air from confusion and before you all go making a legend from myth here is how it was done and is done still....
-Mango comes from a parallel cross same as SSH but with one difference
Haze A male combined to Sk 1 or Sk HzA being the male plant, the female is NL5HzC....that is the breeding of those three plants
So having established that the Orginal beta test seeds pedigree for Mango Haze contained the same father as Super Silver Haze, Skunk x Hz C and that the Mango Haze released on the market today has a Skunk x Hz A as the father we can assume the reason for the two contradictions is the pedigree was just simply changed. The constant in the equation is the NL5HzC, but there are two different mother plants for the respected SSH and Mango Varietys.
It can be a little complicated, I know. But it does appear as if a change was made on the father side of the Beta Test Seed Mango haze compared to the Mango Haze on the market today. It sounded like Shanti was adament about stopping the confusion and the making of legends from myths when he wrote about the pedigree's, so it only seems logical to assume the father plants were simply changed in between the times the Beta test Seeds were being discussed and the variety available today.
This is a very special Mango Haze pheno, the most Indica dominant Mango Haze Ive grown to date.
The Beta Test Seeds all yielded some monster plants, quite tall and branchy that reaked of Mangos from even an early age. They produced monster yields, of nice resin coated golf ball sized nugs. Hundreds of bud sites, and all of the buds tasted like Mango. We're talking the real deal, quite possibly the best Marijuana Ive ever grown. But they took a long time, 17+ weeks easy but worth every second of it! So its quite surprising to see a pheno Indica in nature, when I was use to seeing monster Sativas pop out from the Mango Haze beta test seeds!
Hope I helped clear some of the confusion up
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
The shit Haze and many other pics are on a disc i have not found yet but the plants to give you some understanding were massive like the MH test seed NH like a plant could fill a grow space.
I still have 20 or more of them stored.
TheDarkStorm
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MM x skhzA would make devastating plants....as would 78 x skhzA....those two alone would give you grail plants.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
The Mango Haze test grows showed plants that resembled Nevil's Haze every one but me and Jesse culled the plants Huge mistake.
What they told shanti was the plants were not practical and that is why the released Mango Haze changed shanti made them manageable for most growers.
If Shanti had left the MH like the test seed you be seeing plants flowering up around the 16 to 20 week mark and some longer.
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