The Green New Deal
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St. Phatty
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DAMN !!
But it would be easier just to find a Trump look-alike.
So is that an old photo of someone that looked like Trump ?
Or is this a Trump look-alike that went for the Mega make-up job ?
or did some Photoshop Guru crank out a Trump portrait ?
The eyes look too nice to be Trump.
unless someone slipped him some Ecstasy.
Would Ecstasy make Trump a better president ?
because some states use highly questionable criteria to decide what is an "acceptable" ID card. not everyone drives, and many states demand a photo ID, which is fairly rare EXCEPT on drivers license. one state i read about will accept a concealed carry permit as ID, but refuses college ID cards, which ARE photo ids. want to guess which party has the most CCP holders, and which one has the most college students??? people with money own cars, ergo have drivers license. many poor people DO NOT own cars, have no drivers license, and that makes it a bit more difficult to get a photo id to start with. "jump through the hoops, boy, jump through the hoops..."
maybe. how much would it take to kill him? he will be much better as an ex president. kind of like a migraine headache going away...
I am completely aware of what socialism is. What you aren't understanding is, exactly what you stated, is what I am opposed to. I do think the fact that you are essentially asking the government to force this on people who may not want it. I don't think the farm that has been in the family for 3 generations should be controlled by the people (in reality government).
The reason a business owner makes profit, is
1. He invest the money, and labor.
2. He takes all the risk.
Why would anyone build something if control and reward for the risk is turned over to the people. People who risked nothing, and invested nothing. The actual risk is still placed on the business owners. So, they get all of the down side, but none of the reward.
I do realize their are countries with a major social safety net, that have capitalist economies. Those countries generally have extremely high taxes, high value added taxes, a much smaller and more homogeneous population. Oh, and those extreme taxes start at like 60 grand a year.
You want to tell the American truck driver making 70 k a year, your going to take 40 grand of it, and then charge him a outrageous value added tax, on damn near everything he buys.
First, This wasn't addressed at you.
Second, The woes of the misunderstood socialism you speak of are not reality connected, nor are they connected to my statement.
To be clear, the government is never going to take over businesses.
The whole point of the statement that you are referring was that people should not use the term socialism if they don't know what it means. Several people in this conversation would be well served to take a few minutes and read what socialism really is before they go typing about what they think it means.
Just read my statement and your response again.
Second, The woes of the misunderstood socialism you speak of are not reality connected, nor are they connected to my statement.
To be clear, the government is never going to take over businesses.
The whole point of the statement that you are referring was that people should not use the term socialism if they don't know what it means. Several people in this conversation would be well served to take a few minutes and read what socialism really is before they go typing about what they think it means.
Just read my statement and your response again.
Good grief Stewy.
You may not get your wish of the lower taxes that your Champion of Slack promised.From what I am hearing,a lot of folks are big time pi**ed that their taxes are actually going up,all the while the filthy rich are getting huge tax breaks.
I guess we shall see who the dullards are after all the folks who voted for Trumpski,find out they were hosed.How people can vote against their own best interests never fails to amaze me.Yeah,the guy working hard ought to catch a break now and then,but all the breaks are going to the big ultra rich campaign donors,and then Republican leadership successfully argues that the rich deserve it and you don't...and enough of you follow along because "The Socialists are coming,the Socialists are coming!
It's not trickle down economics,it's opening the floodgates and letting it all go to the rich.
and you are paying for it.
i am out of +rep, Slim, but i'll be back to fix that.
St. Phatty
Active member
Very interesting Showdown shaping up.
AOC in front of the House.
The question is, "how are you going to pay for the GND ?"
one answer that will be memorable -
AOC, "Cut funding to America's Terror War 75%"
OR "Cut military spending 50%"
If you go through the GND, many of the line items are just plain un-doable or un-affordable.
Those goals can be re-stated as percentages. Instead of "100% of Goal #X by Year #Y, they can reduce the percentage - or extend the year.
There may be some simple "Art of the Deal" in the GND - i.e. deliberate over-reaching, so the "left" can make ends meet by backing off Z%.
Biggest problem - the Dems let Pelosi get away with pushing their last big program (Obamacare) with her "read the bill after it is passed" BS.
I suspect AOC knows that she has to bring some Reality to her proposal.
If she doesn't get real, she deserves to be laughed off the podium.
AOC in front of the House.
The question is, "how are you going to pay for the GND ?"
one answer that will be memorable -
AOC, "Cut funding to America's Terror War 75%"
OR "Cut military spending 50%"
If you go through the GND, many of the line items are just plain un-doable or un-affordable.
Those goals can be re-stated as percentages. Instead of "100% of Goal #X by Year #Y, they can reduce the percentage - or extend the year.
There may be some simple "Art of the Deal" in the GND - i.e. deliberate over-reaching, so the "left" can make ends meet by backing off Z%.
Biggest problem - the Dems let Pelosi get away with pushing their last big program (Obamacare) with her "read the bill after it is passed" BS.
I suspect AOC knows that she has to bring some Reality to her proposal.
If she doesn't get real, she deserves to be laughed off the podium.
Oops another leftist talking point smashed by a leftist study...
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2019/02/13/suppression-debunked-study-concludes-voter-id-laws-dont-decrease-voter-turnout-n2541344
Inb4: muh conservative website can’t be right... who did the study
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2019/02/13/suppression-debunked-study-concludes-voter-id-laws-dont-decrease-voter-turnout-n2541344
Inb4: muh conservative website can’t be right... who did the study
White Beard
Active member
Can’t rep you, so here’s a fulsome response:
Can’t rep you, so here’s a fulsome response:
It turns out, not everyone has one, for a variety of reasons: they may have never owned a car and never driven one; they may not own one or be able to drive now; they may not be able to produce the evidence now required for one; they may not be able to reach a DMV office on foot or by public transportation or via family / friends; their work schedule may make it impossible for them to be at the DMV during business hours.
#1 - the DMV in many/all states will issue a state photo ID to non-drivers, so that takes care of a fair number of folks, but this only applies to those not caught by the others
#2 - many of those who could otherwise get that photo ID fall afoul of needing to *get* there, but can’t
#3 - once upon a time, to get a DL in my home state, you needed to have one already, or be accompanied by an adult with a valid DL showing they were over 21, in which case they could *vouch* for you. I have had a DL in the same state for more than 50 years, and when it was time to renew it this last time, I needed to bring my birth certificate and proof of current residency, in addition to the license...and I’m a perfectly ordinary overage white boy on the outside.
What about everybody else? Here’s where it gets sticky.
Let’s talk about getting to the DMV. For the moment, ask yourself how long it would take you to get to your nearest office if a car was not an option? What if it’s raining? Or freezing? How far away is that?
In Alabama, within the last few years, has closed every rural DMV office in the state: what might have been an hour’s walk or more could take a day or more. Anyone poor enough to live in the boonies (*most* of Alabama) and not have a car stands little chance of getting to and from the DMV in a day, or even two, if the lines are long enough. Most poor people have jobs that will fire them for being late or not showing up, and poor people can’t afford to do any of that, despite the most fervent desire to cast a vote.
Last year, a county in South Georgia did something similar: they closed 9 of the county’s 12 polling places...requiring every voter in the county to go all the way to the county seat to vote...and it’s a bigger county than many.
Voter suppression is about making it hard, expensive, impossible to end up in a voting booth, casting your ballot.
But they’re not doing that to everyone, obviously - *you* probably don’t have to go through any of that - so who ARE they doing it to? Well, poor people are the obvious target, and there’s two reasons that stick out to me: one is that a great many poor people work service jobs, and service jobs have crappy schedules to go with their crappy pay, so two, keeping them away from the voting booth *keeps* their working lives from getting better, keeps them in three jobs trying to make ends meet.
It also happens that the bigger bulk of citizens affected by these tactics are black, so they’re expected to vote for Democrats....
There’s more to it, but it boils down to actively putting up roadblocks to political participation by citizens who are entitled to participate, and it’s done for political and economic gain.
#4 - many people born out beyond the lights get born at home and not in a hospital, but a hospital-issued birth certificate is one of the required forms of proof of identity and citizenship. Without that, your rights as a citizen can be infringed under pretext.
Hope that answers some of it...
Can’t rep you, so here’s a fulsome response:
Let’s start with driver’s licenses, the gold-standard for photo ID in the USA. Easy to assume that everyone drives and everyone has a license, so yeah, what’s the catch?
It turns out, not everyone has one, for a variety of reasons: they may have never owned a car and never driven one; they may not own one or be able to drive now; they may not be able to produce the evidence now required for one; they may not be able to reach a DMV office on foot or by public transportation or via family / friends; their work schedule may make it impossible for them to be at the DMV during business hours.
#1 - the DMV in many/all states will issue a state photo ID to non-drivers, so that takes care of a fair number of folks, but this only applies to those not caught by the others
#2 - many of those who could otherwise get that photo ID fall afoul of needing to *get* there, but can’t
#3 - once upon a time, to get a DL in my home state, you needed to have one already, or be accompanied by an adult with a valid DL showing they were over 21, in which case they could *vouch* for you. I have had a DL in the same state for more than 50 years, and when it was time to renew it this last time, I needed to bring my birth certificate and proof of current residency, in addition to the license...and I’m a perfectly ordinary overage white boy on the outside.
What about everybody else? Here’s where it gets sticky.
Let’s talk about getting to the DMV. For the moment, ask yourself how long it would take you to get to your nearest office if a car was not an option? What if it’s raining? Or freezing? How far away is that?
In Alabama, within the last few years, has closed every rural DMV office in the state: what might have been an hour’s walk or more could take a day or more. Anyone poor enough to live in the boonies (*most* of Alabama) and not have a car stands little chance of getting to and from the DMV in a day, or even two, if the lines are long enough. Most poor people have jobs that will fire them for being late or not showing up, and poor people can’t afford to do any of that, despite the most fervent desire to cast a vote.
Last year, a county in South Georgia did something similar: they closed 9 of the county’s 12 polling places...requiring every voter in the county to go all the way to the county seat to vote...and it’s a bigger county than many.
Voter suppression is about making it hard, expensive, impossible to end up in a voting booth, casting your ballot.
But they’re not doing that to everyone, obviously - *you* probably don’t have to go through any of that - so who ARE they doing it to? Well, poor people are the obvious target, and there’s two reasons that stick out to me: one is that a great many poor people work service jobs, and service jobs have crappy schedules to go with their crappy pay, so two, keeping them away from the voting booth *keeps* their working lives from getting better, keeps them in three jobs trying to make ends meet.
It also happens that the bigger bulk of citizens affected by these tactics are black, so they’re expected to vote for Democrats....
There’s more to it, but it boils down to actively putting up roadblocks to political participation by citizens who are entitled to participate, and it’s done for political and economic gain.
#4 - many people born out beyond the lights get born at home and not in a hospital, but a hospital-issued birth certificate is one of the required forms of proof of identity and citizenship. Without that, your rights as a citizen can be infringed under pretext.
Hope that answers some of it...
White Beard
Active member
Not all by itself, it wouldn’t....
All this is complete bullshit. Read the Harvard (liberal as fuck) study I posted and you will see this ‘narrative’ is trash. The ONLY people voter ID prevents from voting are 3rd world rape-u-gees. Quit spouting this garbage. *honk honk*
White Beard
Active member
maybe you should just stop using words: it’s like you just stab yourself in the face over and over as if that makes you *something* in your own eyes.
Life experience: get some while you’re still here
W
Water-
If his taxes went towards helping him and his family live a better/healthier life than I bet he would choose that over his taxes going to the military and where in turn he gets almost nothing out of it.
people in other countries are shocked that americans are willing to give up there social care in order to finance the imperialistic goals of our military run gov.
He could just keep his money and live a better healthier life. How does giving more than half your money to the government, make you healthier? By the way you don't have to wait, just send 60% of your money to the IRS, they will gladly take it.
So, in your mind being poor is healthy, that's quite a stretch.
