Yup, add a ball valve as close to the can tapper as possible. RSD refrigeration supply has 8" hoses with a ball valve attached.
Just close it when you switch cans.
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The Generic Terpenators Operating Manual
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Yup, add a ball valve as close to the can tapper as possible. RSD refrigeration supply has 8" hoses with a ball valve attached.
Just close it when you switch cans.
As a former general contactor, I've always relied upon specialist to build projects under my lead.
I HAD the same idea of involving specialist to do my extractions, leaving me to develop more high flavor/terpene rich strains.
But! As a general contractor, giving up 2/5th's of the finished building as a fee is outrageous.
Hence, forcing me to enter the market of making extractions.
Money is not an object for me to purchase the right 'start up' equipment, nor is being 'mechanically minded.
So learning to be a producer of fine extracts will be just one more profession to master.
You are indeed correct of supply and demand, and we all know that the market will balance eventually, leaving the most of the extraction guys without opportunity to prosper.
In Oregon, wholesale extracts are topping out at $17-$18 a gram to the MMJ dispensaries.
At the average rate of return for a pound of top shelf weed of 80 grams a pound equals $1,360 - $1,440.
Minus extraction fees drops the per pound price to under $900 a lb.
Being that my flowers are bringing $1,400 for outdoor in the off season, and indoor flower fetching $1,800-$2,000, extraction is a big lose of profits.
I am gearing up for next years legal retail market, and will be stock piling extracts for next year.
Hopefully supply will not keep up with demand and raise the current extract prices in the retail scene.
Until then, I'll purchase a good starter MK111, be diligent in my learning, and work to create fine extracts from my own lines.
Thank you for your response, and I look forward to more communications at a later time.
SG
I HAD the same idea of involving specialist to do my extractions, leaving me to develop more high flavor/terpene rich strains.
But! As a general contractor, giving up 2/5th's of the finished building as a fee is outrageous.
Hence, forcing me to enter the market of making extractions.
Money is not an object for me to purchase the right 'start up' equipment, nor is being 'mechanically minded.
So learning to be a producer of fine extracts will be just one more profession to master.
You are indeed correct of supply and demand, and we all know that the market will balance eventually, leaving the most of the extraction guys without opportunity to prosper.
In Oregon, wholesale extracts are topping out at $17-$18 a gram to the MMJ dispensaries.
At the average rate of return for a pound of top shelf weed of 80 grams a pound equals $1,360 - $1,440.
Minus extraction fees drops the per pound price to under $900 a lb.
Being that my flowers are bringing $1,400 for outdoor in the off season, and indoor flower fetching $1,800-$2,000, extraction is a big lose of profits.
I am gearing up for next years legal retail market, and will be stock piling extracts for next year.
Hopefully supply will not keep up with demand and raise the current extract prices in the retail scene.
Until then, I'll purchase a good starter MK111, be diligent in my learning, and work to create fine extracts from my own lines.
Thank you for your response, and I look forward to more communications at a later time.
SG
GratefulOne
Member
Don't forget:
1. People doing this deserve at least $20 an hour to be able to make a living.
2. Solvent costs are higher than most people realize.
3. The process has consumable costs. The PTFE gaskets don't last that long. They are very expensive to replace. Each run needs to add in these costs. 12" Tuff-steel gaskets are $200 each! Screen filters are $100-200 each.
4. Equipment and facility costs are high to get started and maintain safety.
As with all businesses- there are always a ton of costs people don't see until they have to start writing the checks.
1. People doing this deserve at least $20 an hour to be able to make a living.
2. Solvent costs are higher than most people realize.
3. The process has consumable costs. The PTFE gaskets don't last that long. They are very expensive to replace. Each run needs to add in these costs. 12" Tuff-steel gaskets are $200 each! Screen filters are $100-200 each.
4. Equipment and facility costs are high to get started and maintain safety.
As with all businesses- there are always a ton of costs people don't see until they have to start writing the checks.
Good people deserve closer to $35-40 an hour with health insurance.
I was a union man, and a journeyman's pay package is worth well over $80 an hour.
Labor is always the biggest cost of business.
Spending money to maintain any business's tools and machinery is a given fact.
Frankly! These numbers above are peanuts and insignificant to me.
Shit I spend over $2,000 a year for new 1000wt bulbs as a norm.
Electric bills for my grow are in excess of $10,000 yearly.
No biggie.
Maintenance is just part of work and living.
Kinda like paying taxes, just part of the game.
Peace
I was a union man, and a journeyman's pay package is worth well over $80 an hour.
Labor is always the biggest cost of business.
Spending money to maintain any business's tools and machinery is a given fact.
Frankly! These numbers above are peanuts and insignificant to me.
Shit I spend over $2,000 a year for new 1000wt bulbs as a norm.
Electric bills for my grow are in excess of $10,000 yearly.
No biggie.
Maintenance is just part of work and living.
Kinda like paying taxes, just part of the game.
Peace
GratefulOne
Member
When you look at all that stuff you can see how the going rate for small runs is about $100 per hour or about 50% of final weight depending on quality. As large machines become more common the labor will drop. This will improve the returns for the grower who outsources.
$35-40 with benefits would be great place for the US to be. $20 was my number for barely being able to eat and have a roof.
$35-40 with benefits would be great place for the US to be. $20 was my number for barely being able to eat and have a roof.
The market is also in a state of change with legalization and the regulation that will follow.
Licensed processors will be required to maintain a compliant facility, liability insurance, labor/SAIF/medical, etc. Only licensed processors will be able to sell to licensed dispensaries.
I agree that anyone who puts in a meaningful days work, is worth what it takes to shelter, feed, clothe, and maintain themselves, at the very least. That he was worth more than that, was what slavery was based on.
We are of course free to pile on mates, children, food, clothes, homes, cars, braces, etc all of which make each day of life more expensive, so it behooves us to find a way to at the very least, meet those expenses, which is significantly different by location.
When I retired a decade ago, $40 an hour provided a comfortable, but not lavish living for two here in Portland, so not sure about today, especially if children are also involved.
That $40 was besides medical, profit sharing, bonuses, stock options, etc, which are what allowed toys, investments, and retirement.
Licensed processors will be required to maintain a compliant facility, liability insurance, labor/SAIF/medical, etc. Only licensed processors will be able to sell to licensed dispensaries.
I agree that anyone who puts in a meaningful days work, is worth what it takes to shelter, feed, clothe, and maintain themselves, at the very least. That he was worth more than that, was what slavery was based on.
We are of course free to pile on mates, children, food, clothes, homes, cars, braces, etc all of which make each day of life more expensive, so it behooves us to find a way to at the very least, meet those expenses, which is significantly different by location.
When I retired a decade ago, $40 an hour provided a comfortable, but not lavish living for two here in Portland, so not sure about today, especially if children are also involved.
That $40 was besides medical, profit sharing, bonuses, stock options, etc, which are what allowed toys, investments, and retirement.
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icdog
Member
How are you guys packing the tubes with the coffee filters? Has anybody seen what looks like channeling of the solvent in the tube and how to avoid it? Done a few runs where it looks like the material close to the edges of the tube still has a bit of oil on it while the middle of the tube looks like the solvent barely touched it.
Not sure why this is happening but am wondering if its the coffee filters somehow.
Not sure why this is happening but am wondering if its the coffee filters somehow.
I lightly ball up two or more large commercial coffee filters and slide them into the tube, before ramming them hard.
Bottom flooding minimizes unwetted surfaces, but even packing is the key to uniform extraction.
When we pack 10 mesh, we pack at about 4.1 gms/cu in and small buds around 3.8.
I weigh about 190 lbs and lean on the ram until it stops moving, but don't pound.
Yes, lightly ball them, insert and pack by hand, then finish with the ram tip.
icdog
Member
For awhile I've packed the filters in at the top of the column and pushed them around the edges of the material to keep it from leaking out. The tube is 3x36 and had 1lb 10o in it. Doesn't seem to packed. Doing a bottom flood with a top flush.
What are you guys normally packing into this size tube?
What are you guys normally packing into this size tube?
hobb3s93
Member
what is the correct torque for 4'' high pressure clamps? using viton gaskets.
do i leave the washer thing infront of the nut when using or do i remove it?
i know all these have been answered a million times but what type of gasket should be used for cryo runs? will viton hold up? i know ive heard people saying ptfe is a bitch to get to seal...
do i leave the washer thing infront of the nut when using or do i remove it?
i know all these have been answered a million times but what type of gasket should be used for cryo runs? will viton hold up? i know ive heard people saying ptfe is a bitch to get to seal...
GratefulOne
Member
High pressure clamps: 20 FT LBS of torque - the gasket material does not matter for torque specs.
The lock washer goes behind the nut.
Viton is good to about -20c. PTFE cold flows when under pressure. You have to check the torque each run.
The lock washer goes behind the nut.
Viton is good to about -20c. PTFE cold flows when under pressure. You have to check the torque each run.
NorPene Solutions
Member
High pressure clamps and Viton seals = 40lbs! PTFE takes a little more, better check on specs.
GratefulOne
Member
The pages showing the torque specs have been linked many times. The only thing stated anywhere for high pressure clamps has been 20 FT LBS. Nowhere has a reference to the gasket material been made in the specs. Is 20 FT LBS overkill for Viton? Maybe but the specs state 20 FT LBS.
40 lbs? Do you mean 40 IN LBS? The hinged clamp torque specs are 20 to 50 IN LBS depending on the model.
40 lbs? Do you mean 40 IN LBS? The hinged clamp torque specs are 20 to 50 IN LBS depending on the model.
GratefulOne
Member
http://www.dftcorp.com/literature/c...tary-fittings/2013_dixon_sanitary_catalog.pdf
Specs are listed for each clamp style. Note the Bolted High Pressure Clamps are the only ones that use FOOT Lbs torque specs.
Specs are listed for each clamp style. Note the Bolted High Pressure Clamps are the only ones that use FOOT Lbs torque specs.
Chonkski
Member
Grateful one, in that pdf under PTFE gaskets(pg.27) it mentions that they are not recommended for high pressure clamps. Why is that?
I was just thinking of switching all of my gaskets to ptfe because they are much more heavy duty in my eyes.
