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*Interesting article in The Daily Fail from Douglas Murray:

DOUGLAS MURRAY: Britain’s divide isn’t North v South or red v blue. It’s between the ugly intolerant Left and the rest of us.

There is a troubling new divide running through our country, but it is not the one that people like to imagine. It is best shown by the Election result in affluent Putney, West London, where, in a rare victory, the Labour party gained a seat from the Conservatives.
Putney, like Kensington and Chelsea, is filled with rows of over-priced £1 million homes where residents would have faced huge tax hikes if Labour got into power. Yet the constituency still decided to vote for the socialist experiment that Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell were promising – and in so doing, upended a whole set of presumptions.
On the other hand, a seat like Bolsover, in Derbyshire, did something unheard of. Dennis Skinner had been the sitting Labour MP for nearly half a century, and made it a byword for the hardcore Labour heartlands.

In Bolsover you can buy a nice semi-detached house for about £100,000 – one tenth of Putney’s prices. But it was Putney that went Left and Bolsover Right.
Not that Left and Right are the correct way to describe the extraordinary upheaval of this last week.

The real chasm which has arisen is between a Conservative party that committed itself to fulfilling the will of the people, and two Left-wing parties which had devoted the past three-and-a-half years to subverting it.

It is a divide between people who have real-world concerns and those focused on niche and barely significant ones. It is a divide between those who worry about the way they are governed, how the nation will fare and how high immigration should be and those who hector them as backwards or bigoted for even noticing such things.

How, you might ask, have we reached such a state? There is a clue in the Labour Party’s dysfunctional reaction to its catastrophic defeat on Thursday.

Even after the Conservatives won in a near-landslide, the Leftist automatons that run the party are choosing to learn nothing.
They are not using this time for self-reflection or to work out how they approach this new division. Instead, they’re stuck on repeat – at increasing volume.

A perfect example of this was the self-proclaimed economist and full-time Corbyn-cheerleader Grace Blakeley, who treated viewers of ITV’s Good Morning Britain on Friday to the Corbyn-is-God mantra. Hours after her dear leader had led his party to an historic defeat she was on air, blindly insisting that Labour’s ‘democratically developed’ policies were ‘incredibly popular’.
Fellow studio guests, including former Labour Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, begged to differ. But Grace had an alternative universe to inhabit.
‘People in this country are in favour of fairly radical Left-wing policies,’ she shouted. During the ensuing studio meltdown, Grace was, in fact, Grace-less, continuing to shout ‘Yes they are’ repeatedly over Piers Morgan and everyone else.

It demonstrated just one thing. There is a reason that people like Grace can’t accept that they have lost – they haven’t met people who don’t agree with them.
Or rather, when they do, it’s usually on social media where it is all too easy to ‘unfriend’ or ‘block’ them. When it comes to the British electorate as a whole, ignoring them completely becomes a far more difficult task.

But this is what has happened. In recent years a portion of the British Left, like Grace, very carefully built itself an echo chamber and then moved into it.
That chamber has allowed them to consistently disregard the views of the majority of the British public, most significantly the results of the referendum of 2016.

This small, London-centred clique has, in the process, pulled away from the rest of the country.
It is for that reason that the divides we used to say existed in British politics (North vs South, red vs blue) have been completely overtaken. Now, the divide is between the radical Left and everyone else.

They tried to reduce our politics to simple binaries, a choice between ‘hope’ or ‘fear’, racism or tolerance, destroying the NHS or saving it
It didn’t have to be this way. After Ed Miliband’s failure at the 2015 General Election, the Labour party did not have to decide that the main lesson was that they hadn’t been ‘radical’ enough. But it in electing Corbyn as leader that’s exactly what they did.
It was the same after the 2016 referendum. Labour and the Liberal Democrats might, in the past, have accepted such a result, but for the first time in our history the cultists driving these parties decided otherwise. They chose not just to ignore it, but to insult the public by deriding them as thick or uninformed, and to try to get around them.

With devices like the ‘People’s Vote’ charade – as the campaign for a second referendum called itself – they thought we were too dim to notice what they were doing.

They tried to reduce our politics to simple binaries, a choice between ‘hope’ or ‘fear’, racism or tolerance, destroying the NHS or saving it.
They also started running with issues so marginal that they lost the general public completely. Take another one of Thursday’s sore losers: Jo Swinson. The now ex-Liberal Democrat leader decided, just days before the Election, to talk to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme about something which affects around 0.01 per cent of the British electorate: the Lib Dem’s promise to introduce an ‘X’ gender option on passports for transgender people.

In Swinson’s echo chamber, it is important to get these things right. One false step and you’re Twitter toast. So on Swinson wittered, trying to claim that biological sex is a social construct, and that people who believe everyone is born either male or female are in fact ‘demonising’ trans people. It is hard to imagine a more niche issue.

How beautiful it was, then, only a couple of days later to watch Swinson at her constituency count, looking absolutely amazed that the people of East Dunbartonshire had not re-elected her as their MP. In typical fashion she blamed people who were opposed to ‘warmth’, ‘generosity’ and ‘hope’. But she lost by 149 votes. The irony is if she had been able to find a bit more generosity and warmth towards the people of East Dunbartonshire, perhaps she would still be in Parliament.

As it happens, I share the views of the majority of the country. I have seen the Leftist robots up close for years. I have sat in halls and studios with them and been insulted by them just as the rest of the general public have.

They have called me a ‘Little Englander’ because I happen to think that our country isn’t a good fit with the EU. They have called me a ‘racist’ and ‘scum’ because I’m concerned about too-high levels of immigration. They have called me a ‘bigot’ and a ‘transphobe’ because I refuse to pretend that biological sex does not exist.
And amazingly, at the end of all that, I felt no more desire to vote for them than I had beforehand. I suspect the general public have the same view.

Needless to say the message still hasn’t sunk in.
Immediately after Thursday’s exit polls emerged, the former journalist Paul Mason declared that the Conservative victory signalled ‘a victory of the old over the young, racists over people of colour, selfishness over the planet’.

During demonstrations in Westminster on Friday night, other sore losers congregated to attack the police and insult our democracy.
‘I wish [Boris Johnson] a horrible death,’ one young, well-spoken female protester told the cameras. ‘I plan to work in the NHS. I plan to be a doctor. I plan to actually care about people,’ she continued, implausibly. ‘Go f*** yourself Boris Johnson. Honestly. What a c***.’
So yes, there is a divide in Britain right now. But it’s not like any of the old ones. It’s between the ugly, intolerant, metropolitan Left and the rest of us. And as Thursday so beautifully showed, there are more of us than them.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...de-ugly-intolerant-Left-rest-us.html#comments



Oh don't bring that shit up.

How bout that Boris Johnson huh. Completely wiped the floor with labor.

It's looking like England is in the grips of an BJDS (Boris Johnson derangement syndrome) outbreak.
 

Mr. J

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They only like to play by the rules if they're winning the game. If they're losing they use every dirty trick they can or they try to change the rules. Or they just go completely nuts and start wrecking things and calling for assassinations.
 
*Interesting article in The Daily Fail from Douglas Murray:

DOUGLAS MURRAY: Britain’s divide isn’t North v South or red v blue. It’s between the ugly intolerant Left and the rest of us.

There is a troubling new divide running through our country, but it is not the one that people like to imagine. It is best shown by the Election result in affluent Putney, West London, where, in a rare victory, the Labour party gained a seat from the Conservatives.
Putney, like Kensington and Chelsea, is filled with rows of over-priced £1 million homes where residents would have faced huge tax hikes if Labour got into power. Yet the constituency still decided to vote for the socialist experiment that Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell were promising – and in so doing, upended a whole set of presumptions.
On the other hand, a seat like Bolsover, in Derbyshire, did something unheard of. Dennis Skinner had been the sitting Labour MP for nearly half a century, and made it a byword for the hardcore Labour heartlands.

In Bolsover you can buy a nice semi-detached house for about £100,000 – one tenth of Putney’s prices. But it was Putney that went Left and Bolsover Right.
Not that Left and Right are the correct way to describe the extraordinary upheaval of this last week.

The real chasm which has arisen is between a Conservative party that committed itself to fulfilling the will of the people, and two Left-wing parties which had devoted the past three-and-a-half years to subverting it.

It is a divide between people who have real-world concerns and those focused on niche and barely significant ones. It is a divide between those who worry about the way they are governed, how the nation will fare and how high immigration should be and those who hector them as backwards or bigoted for even noticing such things.

How, you might ask, have we reached such a state? There is a clue in the Labour Party’s dysfunctional reaction to its catastrophic defeat on Thursday.

Even after the Conservatives won in a near-landslide, the Leftist automatons that run the party are choosing to learn nothing.
They are not using this time for self-reflection or to work out how they approach this new division. Instead, they’re stuck on repeat – at increasing volume.

A perfect example of this was the self-proclaimed economist and full-time Corbyn-cheerleader Grace Blakeley, who treated viewers of ITV’s Good Morning Britain on Friday to the Corbyn-is-God mantra. Hours after her dear leader had led his party to an historic defeat she was on air, blindly insisting that Labour’s ‘democratically developed’ policies were ‘incredibly popular’.
Fellow studio guests, including former Labour Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, begged to differ. But Grace had an alternative universe to inhabit.
‘People in this country are in favour of fairly radical Left-wing policies,’ she shouted. During the ensuing studio meltdown, Grace was, in fact, Grace-less, continuing to shout ‘Yes they are’ repeatedly over Piers Morgan and everyone else.

It demonstrated just one thing. There is a reason that people like Grace can’t accept that they have lost – they haven’t met people who don’t agree with them.
Or rather, when they do, it’s usually on social media where it is all too easy to ‘unfriend’ or ‘block’ them. When it comes to the British electorate as a whole, ignoring them completely becomes a far more difficult task.

But this is what has happened. In recent years a portion of the British Left, like Grace, very carefully built itself an echo chamber and then moved into it.
That chamber has allowed them to consistently disregard the views of the majority of the British public, most significantly the results of the referendum of 2016.

This small, London-centred clique has, in the process, pulled away from the rest of the country.
It is for that reason that the divides we used to say existed in British politics (North vs South, red vs blue) have been completely overtaken. Now, the divide is between the radical Left and everyone else.

They tried to reduce our politics to simple binaries, a choice between ‘hope’ or ‘fear’, racism or tolerance, destroying the NHS or saving it
It didn’t have to be this way. After Ed Miliband’s failure at the 2015 General Election, the Labour party did not have to decide that the main lesson was that they hadn’t been ‘radical’ enough. But it in electing Corbyn as leader that’s exactly what they did.
It was the same after the 2016 referendum. Labour and the Liberal Democrats might, in the past, have accepted such a result, but for the first time in our history the cultists driving these parties decided otherwise. They chose not just to ignore it, but to insult the public by deriding them as thick or uninformed, and to try to get around them.

With devices like the ‘People’s Vote’ charade – as the campaign for a second referendum called itself – they thought we were too dim to notice what they were doing.

They tried to reduce our politics to simple binaries, a choice between ‘hope’ or ‘fear’, racism or tolerance, destroying the NHS or saving it.
They also started running with issues so marginal that they lost the general public completely. Take another one of Thursday’s sore losers: Jo Swinson. The now ex-Liberal Democrat leader decided, just days before the Election, to talk to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme about something which affects around 0.01 per cent of the British electorate: the Lib Dem’s promise to introduce an ‘X’ gender option on passports for transgender people.

In Swinson’s echo chamber, it is important to get these things right. One false step and you’re Twitter toast. So on Swinson wittered, trying to claim that biological sex is a social construct, and that people who believe everyone is born either male or female are in fact ‘demonising’ trans people. It is hard to imagine a more niche issue.

How beautiful it was, then, only a couple of days later to watch Swinson at her constituency count, looking absolutely amazed that the people of East Dunbartonshire had not re-elected her as their MP. In typical fashion she blamed people who were opposed to ‘warmth’, ‘generosity’ and ‘hope’. But she lost by 149 votes. The irony is if she had been able to find a bit more generosity and warmth towards the people of East Dunbartonshire, perhaps she would still be in Parliament.

As it happens, I share the views of the majority of the country. I have seen the Leftist robots up close for years. I have sat in halls and studios with them and been insulted by them just as the rest of the general public have.

They have called me a ‘Little Englander’ because I happen to think that our country isn’t a good fit with the EU. They have called me a ‘racist’ and ‘scum’ because I’m concerned about too-high levels of immigration. They have called me a ‘bigot’ and a ‘transphobe’ because I refuse to pretend that biological sex does not exist.
And amazingly, at the end of all that, I felt no more desire to vote for them than I had beforehand. I suspect the general public have the same view.

Needless to say the message still hasn’t sunk in.
Immediately after Thursday’s exit polls emerged, the former journalist Paul Mason declared that the Conservative victory signalled ‘a victory of the old over the young, racists over people of colour, selfishness over the planet’.

During demonstrations in Westminster on Friday night, other sore losers congregated to attack the police and insult our democracy.
‘I wish [Boris Johnson] a horrible death,’ one young, well-spoken female protester told the cameras. ‘I plan to work in the NHS. I plan to be a doctor. I plan to actually care about people,’ she continued, implausibly. ‘Go f*** yourself Boris Johnson. Honestly. What a c***.’
So yes, there is a divide in Britain right now. But it’s not like any of the old ones. It’s between the ugly, intolerant, metropolitan Left and the rest of us. And as Thursday so beautifully showed, there are more of us than them.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...de-ugly-intolerant-Left-rest-us.html#comments


Seems like a fair, no bs view appraisal of the situation. I think that article could be republished with minimal edits in 1yr here in the USA and it'd still be spot on. I think 2020 is gonna be murder on all things sacred to the left!

The voters aren't all stupid, they know that California is a glimpse into the future that nobody wants. America tried liberalisim and we've declined a second serving. 2020 is just icing on the cake.

Edit: thank you, that was a great write up.
 
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Mr D

Van Drew aside this ensures bipartisan support against impeachment. There will be no bipartisan support in favor.


Dem Rep. Collin Peterson will vote against impeachment

He says “it’s all second-hand information” and Trump “has not committed a crime”

In other bad news for democrats... The supreme court will not compel Trump to produce his taxes for years ending prior to 2017 if they compel him to release any.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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The problem I feel that runs rife thru all this left/right nonsense - is that the left want to commit a demolition job on the establishment - without having policies that will actually improve things at all for the electorate - so the electorate see this - and would rather rely and build on what they have now - than knock it all down - and start all over again - with all the uncertainties that entails -

If you are going to knock something down - you had better have something better to replace it with -
 
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Mr D

The problem I feel that runs rife thru all this left/right nonsense - is that the left want to commit a demolition job on the establishment - without having policies that will actually improve things at all for the electorate - so the electorate see this - and would rather rely and build on what they have now - than knock it all down - and start all over again - with all the uncertainties that entails -

If you are going to knock something down - you had better have something better to replace it with -

To add to that I believe many Americans woke up to the bipartisan screw job and it paved the way for someone like Trump.

Left vs. Right was a bullshit division tactic. When it comes down to screwing the electorate it's almost always a bipartisan effort.

For over a decade polls reveal congress has lost the faith of the American people.
 
The problem I feel that runs rife thru all this left/right nonsense - is that the left want to commit a demolition job on the establishment - without having policies that will actually improve things at all for the electorate - so the electorate see this - and would rather rely and build on what they have now - than knock it all down - and start all over again - with all the uncertainties that entails -

If you are going to knock something down - you had better have something better to replace it with -

That seems to be the lesson that should be Learned from cali or nearly all D strongholds. Kinds hard to deny that the left wants to demolish the establishment though.

And the parties....pffft. 90% of them are on the same team, just grifters looking for an easy pickup. Doesn't matter from who from or at who's expense.

That's why I like Trump. He's never fed from the trough, he's made his own $$. He doesn't need foreign money!

The Clintons or Bidens...lol
 

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After Ginsberg dies, anything goes

Lol




Rumor has it that Bob Dylan is going to do some free spots on television supporting the Trump re-election team. Pretty far out man.


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*Interesting article in The Daily Fail from Douglas Murray:

DOUGLAS MURRAY: Britain’s divide isn’t North v South or red v blue. It’s between the ugly intolerant Left and the rest of us.

There is a troubling new divide running through our country, but it is not the one that people like to imagine. It is best shown by the Election result in affluent Putney, West London, where, in a rare victory, the Labour party gained a seat from the Conservatives.
Putney, like Kensington and Chelsea, is filled with rows of over-priced £1 million homes where residents would have faced huge tax hikes if Labour got into power. Yet the constituency still decided to vote for the socialist experiment that Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell were promising – and in so doing, upended a whole set of presumptions.
On the other hand, a seat like Bolsover, in Derbyshire, did something unheard of. Dennis Skinner had been the sitting Labour MP for nearly half a century, and made it a byword for the hardcore Labour heartlands.

In Bolsover you can buy a nice semi-detached house for about £100,000 – one tenth of Putney’s prices. But it was Putney that went Left and Bolsover Right.
Not that Left and Right are the correct way to describe the extraordinary upheaval of this last week.

The real chasm which has arisen is between a Conservative party that committed itself to fulfilling the will of the people, and two Left-wing parties which had devoted the past three-and-a-half years to subverting it.

It is a divide between people who have real-world concerns and those focused on niche and barely significant ones. It is a divide between those who worry about the way they are governed, how the nation will fare and how high immigration should be and those who hector them as backwards or bigoted for even noticing such things.

How, you might ask, have we reached such a state? There is a clue in the Labour Party’s dysfunctional reaction to its catastrophic defeat on Thursday.

Even after the Conservatives won in a near-landslide, the Leftist automatons that run the party are choosing to learn nothing.
They are not using this time for self-reflection or to work out how they approach this new division. Instead, they’re stuck on repeat – at increasing volume.

A perfect example of this was the self-proclaimed economist and full-time Corbyn-cheerleader Grace Blakeley, who treated viewers of ITV’s Good Morning Britain on Friday to the Corbyn-is-God mantra. Hours after her dear leader had led his party to an historic defeat she was on air, blindly insisting that Labour’s ‘democratically developed’ policies were ‘incredibly popular’.
Fellow studio guests, including former Labour Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, begged to differ. But Grace had an alternative universe to inhabit.
‘People in this country are in favour of fairly radical Left-wing policies,’ she shouted. During the ensuing studio meltdown, Grace was, in fact, Grace-less, continuing to shout ‘Yes they are’ repeatedly over Piers Morgan and everyone else.

It demonstrated just one thing. There is a reason that people like Grace can’t accept that they have lost – they haven’t met people who don’t agree with them.
Or rather, when they do, it’s usually on social media where it is all too easy to ‘unfriend’ or ‘block’ them. When it comes to the British electorate as a whole, ignoring them completely becomes a far more difficult task.

But this is what has happened. In recent years a portion of the British Left, like Grace, very carefully built itself an echo chamber and then moved into it.
That chamber has allowed them to consistently disregard the views of the majority of the British public, most significantly the results of the referendum of 2016.

This small, London-centred clique has, in the process, pulled away from the rest of the country.
It is for that reason that the divides we used to say existed in British politics (North vs South, red vs blue) have been completely overtaken. Now, the divide is between the radical Left and everyone else.

They tried to reduce our politics to simple binaries, a choice between ‘hope’ or ‘fear’, racism or tolerance, destroying the NHS or saving it
It didn’t have to be this way. After Ed Miliband’s failure at the 2015 General Election, the Labour party did not have to decide that the main lesson was that they hadn’t been ‘radical’ enough. But it in electing Corbyn as leader that’s exactly what they did.
It was the same after the 2016 referendum. Labour and the Liberal Democrats might, in the past, have accepted such a result, but for the first time in our history the cultists driving these parties decided otherwise. They chose not just to ignore it, but to insult the public by deriding them as thick or uninformed, and to try to get around them.

With devices like the ‘People’s Vote’ charade – as the campaign for a second referendum called itself – they thought we were too dim to notice what they were doing.

They tried to reduce our politics to simple binaries, a choice between ‘hope’ or ‘fear’, racism or tolerance, destroying the NHS or saving it.
They also started running with issues so marginal that they lost the general public completely. Take another one of Thursday’s sore losers: Jo Swinson. The now ex-Liberal Democrat leader decided, just days before the Election, to talk to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme about something which affects around 0.01 per cent of the British electorate: the Lib Dem’s promise to introduce an ‘X’ gender option on passports for transgender people.

In Swinson’s echo chamber, it is important to get these things right. One false step and you’re Twitter toast. So on Swinson wittered, trying to claim that biological sex is a social construct, and that people who believe everyone is born either male or female are in fact ‘demonising’ trans people. It is hard to imagine a more niche issue.

How beautiful it was, then, only a couple of days later to watch Swinson at her constituency count, looking absolutely amazed that the people of East Dunbartonshire had not re-elected her as their MP. In typical fashion she blamed people who were opposed to ‘warmth’, ‘generosity’ and ‘hope’. But she lost by 149 votes. The irony is if she had been able to find a bit more generosity and warmth towards the people of East Dunbartonshire, perhaps she would still be in Parliament.

As it happens, I share the views of the majority of the country. I have seen the Leftist robots up close for years. I have sat in halls and studios with them and been insulted by them just as the rest of the general public have.

They have called me a ‘Little Englander’ because I happen to think that our country isn’t a good fit with the EU. They have called me a ‘racist’ and ‘scum’ because I’m concerned about too-high levels of immigration. They have called me a ‘bigot’ and a ‘transphobe’ because I refuse to pretend that biological sex does not exist.
And amazingly, at the end of all that, I felt no more desire to vote for them than I had beforehand. I suspect the general public have the same view.

Needless to say the message still hasn’t sunk in.
Immediately after Thursday’s exit polls emerged, the former journalist Paul Mason declared that the Conservative victory signalled ‘a victory of the old over the young, racists over people of colour, selfishness over the planet’.

During demonstrations in Westminster on Friday night, other sore losers congregated to attack the police and insult our democracy.
‘I wish [Boris Johnson] a horrible death,’ one young, well-spoken female protester told the cameras. ‘I plan to work in the NHS. I plan to be a doctor. I plan to actually care about people,’ she continued, implausibly. ‘Go f*** yourself Boris Johnson. Honestly. What a c***.’
So yes, there is a divide in Britain right now. But it’s not like any of the old ones. It’s between the ugly, intolerant, metropolitan Left and the rest of us. And as Thursday so beautifully showed, there are more of us than them.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...de-ugly-intolerant-Left-rest-us.html#comments

Gypsy I think you'll find this very interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Gkm77usT0
 
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Teddybrae

Sorry Guy, but not I 'm not in the UK. Not particularly a Labor voter either. The Prime Minister here at the time was a Conservative. He had no trouble selling the WMD lie altho I was dubious.



And yes, off shoring to India, China, Indonesia is bad shit. But Karma, y'know ... we get lots of the plastic we send to Indonesia for recycling floating back and washing up on our tropical beaches.



How has that whole labor party thing worked out for you folks?

Pretty cool how old Tony hooked up with George W. to commit wholesale murder of brown people. Yeah let's kill some more brown people because they have WMD's and shit.

I'll bet you were pissed when Labor off shored your jobs to nations with poor environmental regs.
 
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Teddybrae

It's funny to me. Funny unusual ... that jolly old England has run to the Conservatives in this time of Crisis. Usually we/they run to Labor. eg: ww1, ww2, the Depression. I say bring back Churchill!


The problem I feel that runs rife thru all this left/right nonsense - is that the left want to commit a demolition job on the establishment - without having policies that will actually improve things at all for the electorate - so the electorate see this - and would rather rely and build on what they have now - than knock it all down - and start all over again - with all the uncertainties that entails -

If you are going to knock something down - you had better have something better to replace it with -
 

AgentPothead

Just this guy, ya know?
Damn, I pick up a gay stalker already?
Way to make my point for me? :laughing: Instead of even attempting to engage in something that might be considered of basic intelligence you go ahead and project your own insecurities onto another person.:tiphat: Keep engaging with the community like this and see how long you last. And nothing of value was lost. Which is what really burns your ass the most isn't it :biggrin: We'll just keep growing incredible weed while you sit and stew and try and act like you aren't a pathetic loser.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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I guess it comes down to safety and security for many people - that they will still be able to have the freedom and liberty they have become accustomed to - over the years since the last world war -

The younger generations - who have not yet started families are all for revolution - since they usually have no dependents - but the older working people and those retired would rather have things stable and familiar - from what I can gather -

Brexit was voted on in 2016 - and to leave the EEC was determined then - The political parties and members of parliament who constantly opposed Brexit - which was a democratically voted referendum - for the last 3 years since the British people handed them their mandate to leave the EEC - have lost big in the recent General Election - re-affirming what the people voted on in the majority in the first place -

*If we brought back Churchill - he would be a bit smellier than he was when he was alive - but yeah - the UK could perhaps do with a great statesman, that could unite the country as never before - but I'm not so sure Boris is up to that - time will tell -


It's funny to me. Funny unusual ... that jolly old England has run to the Conservatives in this time of Crisis. Usually we/they run to Labor. eg: ww1, ww2, the Depression. I say bring back Churchill!
 

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The problem I feel that runs rife thru all this left/right nonsense - is that the left want to commit a demolition job on the establishment - without having policies that will actually improve things at all for the electorate - so the electorate see this - and would rather rely and build on what they have now - than knock it all down - and start all over again - with all the uncertainties that entails -

If you are going to knock something down - you had better have something better to replace it with -
That’s why the left all voted for trump...What the fuck ever.
You have it backwards.
He screws his own charities for personal gain.
Calls those who actually serve us scum.
We do have better.
We’re not knocking anything down.
We’re upholding the Constitution they claim to hold so dear.
Casting away the chains of corporate corruption.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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I think we are getting cross-wires over the personality politics of Trump - and the situation between right/left in the UK as I see it currently -


The USA people will get a chance to democratically vote Trump out of office next November - if indeed that happens - many doubt it will happen - but until then I reckon that Trump will stay in office as POTUS.


That’s why the left all voted for trump...What the fuck ever.
You have it backwards.
He screws his own charities for personal gain.
Calls those who actually serve us scum.
We do have better.
We’re not knocking anything down.
We’re upholding the Constitution they claim to hold so dear.
Casting away the chains of corporate corruption.
 

h.h.

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Not democratically. Through representation. It’s a democratic republic, but the two are mutually exclusive. Hence the two main parties, though the true identities have morphed.

It’s not left and right.
It’s king or no king.
Republicans require a king.
We had a war for that.
The king lost.
The serfs won.
The king calls that socialism.
 

geneva_sativa

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somehow I doubt that the folks that actually gave life and limb to throw off the yoke of tyranny, would be much into the nanny state of today
 
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