The Architects of Western Decline - Cultural Marxism?

[h.h.]

I admit it’s difficult for the layman to critique professionally written cut and paste propaganda .

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I admit it’s difficult for the layman to critique professionally written cut and paste propaganda .

- Well - have a go old chap - find something within the article that you can easily disprove and/or critique - and start from there - do a bit of research to back up the claim - and leave links - so we can see where you found whatever - that's a start -

- Just calling something 'Commie' or 'Nazi' is not really enough - or some link to a video that tries to debunk it - better to explain what you feel or see wrong with the concept/idea/theory/hypothesis yourself - in your own words -

 

[oldschoolnitro]

Co2 causing climate change = HOAX !!! globalist HOAX

 

[oldschoolnitro]

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[h.h.]

- Well - have a go old chap - find something within the article that you can easily disprove and/or critique - and start from there - do a bit of research to back up the claim - and leave links - so we can see where you found whatever - that's a start -

- Just calling something 'Commie' or 'Nazi' is not really enough - or some link to a video that tries to debunk it - better to explain what you feel or see wrong with the concept/idea/theory/hypothesis yourself - in your own words -

My own words. It’s cut and paste. How about your own words?

 

[Teddybrae]

No Gypsy ... not YOUR posts ... I meant the material within the post.


Having properly digested the material I think it unworthy of ICMag ... and have to say I agree now with Verdant Green that this shouldn't be a Sticky.

 

[White Beard]

- So discuss 'Cultural Marxism' - <crickets>

Not exactly crickets...I offered my evaluation pages back - the response to THAT was crickets (or tried to...maybe got into a different thread by accident?).

Origins in the war between trade-unionists/Democrats/socialists on the one hand (equal treatment, equal justice before the law) vs ‘master-race theology’ on the other hand (master race above all, all other must serve or simply perish at the will of the masters). The lead-up to Kristallnacht and the Night if the Long Knives, Germany in the 30s.

It arises in the west again with the rebirth of master-race belief in the US at least (white supremacy, the “proper use” of ‘servile‘, immigrant, ‘mudblood’ populations) - most popular among aggrieved whites, law-enforcement, the permanently-wealthy who are sick’n’tired of having “the slave classes” having a say in the voting booth. Goes hand-in-hand with increasing exclusion and suppression of essential-but-disposable service workers, as we’ve seen very plainly since the covid arrival.

In the US, that’s essentially black people, citizens or not, recently augmented by Latino, middle-eastern and Asian immigrants. It once included Irish and Italian immigrants who were excluded from white status until Jewish refugees began escaping from Europe. It also includes white folks who do any kind of service work (my profession, sadly, is counted as service work by many, despite my many years of experience and training). Hitler was a big fan of American/Confederate slavery - as was Henry Ford, who Hitler also admired; however Europe did not have a substantial enough population base of color-coded, immediately recognizable people to run the same trick in Germany, so he started with the largest groups of non-Germanic looking people available - Jews and “gypsies” - and built on that.

I recommend Shirer’s “Rise and Fall of The Third Reich”, although you kind of need to look between the lines; none of this was afloat in the popular mind at the time he was in Germany, but his early sections on the rise to power of Hitler and the Nazis is pretty bias-free in terms of the street battles, the political struggles, and the nature’s of the differing groups of the time. It’s not an especially readable book, which is too bad, but I’m unaware of an English-language alternative.

Hitler’s Germany did take a turn at racial servitude a la American slavery in Africa during their time in power, but I’ve come to the view that Leopold’s time in Africa before him became a real stumbling block to Hitler’s African aspirations.

TL;DR = master-race ideology, notions of Aryan supremacy centered around the absolute *right* of the superior race to do literally whatever it wanted with and to non-Aryan people/communities, hinging to a large degree on the hatred of “weakness” (to include not just color but poverty, illiteracy, infirmity, “deviation” - differences that were deliberately disadvantaged) and glorification of the “strong” (to include the wealthy, the ruthless, the closeness to Power, and the worship of power). Even to the point that core American values such as the rights of the individual, equality before the law, and frankly, any expression of ‘Christian values‘ became “weaknesses” when offered to any but the master-race and their believers...Thus, the roots of “cultural Marxism” then and now, and the oppressive notion that treating people as if they were worthy of ANYTHING AT ALL - even civility - if they didn’t submit to the Procrustean bed of “The Superman”. One basic impulse behind the extermination camps and the Tulsa massacre - the slave-labor camps and the Jim Crow south - the slaughter of the Warsaw ghetto and the destruction of Rosewood, Florida & the police fire-bombing in Philadelphia.

Plenty of history. Plenty of evidence. Plenty of research available to those who have a mind. I’ll find out what I can about the “Frankfurt school” and why they came to WALES of all places, when I have the time.

This is all drawn from 50 years study of history: US history, history of slavery, history of the Nazis & WW2, history of similar attitudes and methods used over and over in Europe all the way back to the Roman Empire, history of the Jews in Europe and England, History of the Romany in Europe and in England, the political history of the US before and after WW2. Among others. It’s all there if one has the courage and integrity to LOOK.

Don't join the book burners. Don't think you are going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Don't be afraid to go in your library and read every book, as long as that document does not offend your own ideas of decency. That should be the only censorship."

— Dwight D. Eisenhower Remarks at the Dartmouth College Commencement Exercises, Hanover, New Hampshire, 6/14/53

 

[Cannavore]

I think ICMag member Cannavore uses political words and terms in a silly way because knows that Bullshit Baffles Brains. I think Cannavore is using bullshit to baffle brains because he aims to censor thinking. I think Cannavore seeks to censor this thread because he believes that Education and Science are ways the government uses to get people to conform and obey.

I think Cannavore wants to obey and conform only when it suits him. I think Cannavore likes to think he is at liberty to make his own rules and impose them on others. Cannavore is like ‘carnivore’.

Carnivores stalk their prey. Carnivores are predators. Seems to me ICMag member Cannavore stalks Authority and would eat it if he could.

ok .

 

[Chi13]

- The thread is not about me - its about Cultural Marxism - did you watch the documentary? - its origins are said to be in The Frankfurt School - and any meme's or pictures in the article - were in the original article on the sovereign Wales site -

- Yeah - I think Peterson is a smart guy - you don't have to agree with me - same as you don't have to agree with the whole thread - or anything I might say -

- Attack the article/thread - if you are so against the contents - put up some valid argument about it - rather than fixating on me and where I might put a thread -

I did watch the video. I was expecting a documentary and what I got was blatant propaganda. The views of the commentator were obviously biased. He didn't even make an attempt to be objective.

You complain elsewhere that there have been "crickets" when discussing this theory, yet Cannavore posts a video to the contrary and is completely ignored.

As Cannavore has posted earlier;
"How many times do I have to post the same exact thing?
Cultural Marxism is an extension of Cultural Bolshevism.

Cultural Bolshevism is anti semetic NAZI PROPAGANDA."

That is what is so abhorrent about it, and why people are complaining it's a sticky. If you posted a similar thread that was pro Communist and made it a stickie, you'd no doubt have similar outrage.

I wont post the whole thing but sometimes Wiki is a good place to start.

Cultural Marxism is a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory, which identifies Western Marxism as the basis of a continuing academic and intellectual movement to undermine and destroy Western culture and values

This conspiracy theory is promoted by American religious fundamentalists and paleoconservatives such as William S. Lind, Pat Buchanan, and Paul Weyrich; and the alt-right, white nationalists, Neo-Nazi organizations, and the neo-reactionary movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory

 

[Cannavore]

the video i posted would end this thread if they actually watched it

 

[geneva_sativa]

LOL,, from yer point of view

 

['Boogieman']

Screaming nazi propaganda no longer works to successfully silence those with different views period.

 

[Cannavore]

no, from an objective point of view. the frankfurt school of jew boogeymen falls apart when you actually read the writings of these men.

 

[Cannavore]

Screaming nazi propaganda no longer works to successfully silence those with different views period.

this isn't the thread you want to say that in

 

[Cannavore]

"Culture today is infecting everything with sameness. Film, radio, and magazines form a system. Each branch of culture is unanimous within itself and all are unanimous together. Even the aesthetic manifestations of political opposites proclaim the same inflexible rhythm."

- Theodore Adorno of the Frankfurt School



these are real problems. but the answers most are given and buy into (ie - "cultural marxism and communism is to blame!") is just another layer of the onion of propganda which seeks to stop you from realizing the true cause of these problems - capitalism.

 

[geneva_sativa]

Such wokeness,,, wow

 

[Cannavore]

your egos will never allow you to admit that you fell for neo nazi propaganda. lol.

 

[geneva_sativa]

Oooh,,, such egoless wokeness

 

['Boogieman']

this isn't the thread you want to say that in

Or what?

Might get called a racist?

.... Because that has never happened before...

I don't doubt that these people might have racist views, most old people are kinda like that... Including Karl Marx himself.

“The Jewish nigger Lassalle who, I’m glad to say, is leaving at the end of this week, has happily lost 5,000 talers in an ill-judged speculation. The chap would sooner throw money down the drain than lend it to a ‘friend,’ even though his interest and capital were guaranteed. … It is now quite plain to me—as the shape of his head and the way his hair grows also testify—that he is descended from the negroes who accompanied Moses’ flight from Egypt (unless his mother or paternal grandmother interbred with a nigger). Now, this blend of Jewishness and Germanness, on the one hand, and basic negroid stock, on the other, must inevitably give rise to a peculiar product. The fellow’s importunity is also nigger-like.” Karl Marx, “Marx to Friedrich Engels in Manchester,” 1862

So tell me, should everything Karl Marx said or written be discarded or is a broken clock right twice a day?

 

[Chi13]

Screaming nazi propaganda no longer works to successfully silence those with different views period.

It should be considering what happened during WW2.

Or what?

Might get called a racist?

.... Because that has never happened before...

I don't doubt that these people might have racist views, most old people are kinda like that... Including Karl Marx himself.

“The Jewish nigger Lassalle who, I’m glad to say, is leaving at the end of this week, has happily lost 5,000 talers in an ill-judged speculation. The chap would sooner throw money down the drain than lend it to a ‘friend,’ even though his interest and capital were guaranteed. … It is now quite plain to me—as the shape of his head and the way his hair grows also testify—that he is descended from the negroes who accompanied Moses’ flight from Egypt (unless his mother or paternal grandmother interbred with a nigger). Now, this blend of Jewishness and Germanness, on the one hand, and basic negroid stock, on the other, must inevitably give rise to a peculiar product. The fellow’s importunity is also nigger-like.” Karl Marx, “Marx to Friedrich Engels in Manchester,” 1862

So tell me, should everything Karl Marx said or written be discarded or is a broken clock right twice a day?

Everyone was pretty much racist during those days. Phrenolgy was a science back then and not much was known about race.
Disturbing writing, none the less.