Hi @thugpoet sorry for catch up with a reply so late. A pleasure to hear you are running Super Panama Haze and Killer A5 Haze side by side much appreciated.
Glad to know you are a bit familiarized with straight Panama, so you can appreciate better her influence when crossed with Nevil Haze hybrids. Panama Goddess F10 is a very high yielding Panama mother, very resinous, of high flower/leaf ratio, very refined vanilla, lemon, incense terpene profile, musky, floral too. Potent prime quality cerebral-dreamy-psychedelic Central American sativa effects. She is basically our Panama elite mother (for non red stony types), and the one we more frequently use for straight Panama seed production (regular and fem), and Panama hybrids too.
Oldtimer's Haze never has the raw potency of selected Nevil's Haze mother. Nevil's Haze is obviously much more potent and longer lasting in effects and contains much more % of THC than Oldtimer's Haze, works well indoors (although requires experience), and is long flowering but not ethernal. On ther other side, Oldtimer's Haze is a very difficult genetics to flower indoors and take forever to finish.
Take in consideration, Oldtimer's Haze is an inbred, untouched extreme tropical sativa without of trace of indica, while Nevil's Haze hybrids are Sam's Haze crossed with NL #5, a very heavy indica and a very different cultivar, so Nevil's Haze hybrids have lots of heterosis (vigor, to reach higher peaks, also in cannabinoid production). But the more or less NL #5 content in Nevil's Haze hybrids makes their effects super strong, but also dirtier, stoney, reaching easily ceiling and they tend to have a dark vibe .... a Haze hybrid with too much NL or Skunk has a strong high, but usually ugly for most purest sativa lovers.
Oldtimer's Haze effects (especially green phenos) are totally cerebral, non ceiling, without a trace of the indica intoxicating side, so from a sativa lover point of view Oldtimer's Haze or Original Haze is a much better smoke to have than Haze crossed with a narcotic indica.
Did you already start you new batch of ACE genetics ?
Lots of great info. Panama Goddess seems like a real champion.
I have like 20 seeds of Panama regs, probably going to buy a few more packs and do a proper selection on it at some point. I feel like the Panama holds up very well against modern hybrids even in terms of Terpenes, vigor is good but still manageable in stretch and the best part for me is the effects. Very motivating and social with people but also nice and introspective when you are alone. Electric also, borderline psychedelic as you say.
Unfortunately, my SPHz via Mandala got intercepted by Uncle Sam and if I understand correctly Mandala is closed until October. No where else to get these in the US yet or the sweet R&D Lines, so I'll have to be patient.
I've started the KA5Hz, all 6 germinated within 48h of soak and came out of the root plugs pretty fast. They are still tiny right now, growing alongside some GHS Super Lemon Haze since I couldn't get my hands on the Super Panama Haze.
Really would love to find a decent representation of the Haze A pheno with its thin leafs popping out of the massive buds and a nice NL5 Haze pheno if possible, Silver Malawi would be a + as well but not really what I'm after.
I'm very curious how the Haze A comes through, so far all my haze experience has been Haze C hybrids aside from a buddy's cut of Mango Haze.
I've never experienced what people call Frankincense smells from Haze hybrids. Only woodsy, pine, catpiss smells or what you call incensey like the Panama.
I'm looking forward to the Oldschool terps of the KA5Hz and hopefully some trip weed.