I have a stupid phone and their is nothing incriminating on it....yeehaw
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Secret Memo Details U.S.’s Broader Strategy to Crack Phones
Secret Memo Details U.S.’s Broader Strategy to Crack Phones
Silicon Valley celebrated last fall when the White House revealed it would not seek legislation forcing technology makers to install “backdoors” in their software -- secret listening posts where investigators could pierce the veil of secrecy on users’ encrypted data, from text messages to video chats. But while the companies may have thought that was the final word, in fact the government was working on a Plan B.
In a secret meeting convened by the White House around Thanksgiving, senior national security officials ordered agencies across the U.S. government to find ways to counter encryption software and gain access to the most heavily protected user data on the most secure consumer devices, including Apple Inc.’s iPhone, the marquee product of one of America’s most valuable companies, according to two people familiar with the decision.
The approach was formalized in a confidential National Security Council “decision memo,” tasking government agencies with developing encryption workarounds, estimating additional budgets and identifying laws that may need to be changed to counter what FBI Director James Comey calls the “going dark” problem: investigators being unable to access the contents of encrypted data stored on mobile devices or traveling across the Internet. Details of the memo reveal that, in private, the government was honing a sharper edge to its relationship with Silicon Valley alongside more public signs of rapprochement.
On Tuesday, the public got its first glimpse of what those efforts may look like when a federal judge ordered Apple to create a special tool for the FBI to bypass security protections on an iPhone 5c belonging to one of the shooters in the Dec. 2 terrorist attack in San Bernardino, California that killed 14 people. Apple Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook has vowed to fight the order, calling it a “chilling” demand that Apple “hack our own users and undermine decades of security advancements that protect our customers.” The order was not a direct outcome of the memo but is in line with the broader government strategy.
White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Wednesday that the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Justice have the Obama administration’s “full” support in the matter. The government is “not asking Apple to redesign its product or to create a new backdoor to their products,” but rather are seeking entry “to this one device,” he said.
Security specialists say the case carries enormous consequences, for privacy and the competitiveness of U.S. businesses, and that the National Security Council directive, which has not been previously reported, shows that technology companies underestimated the resolve of the U.S. government to access encrypted data.
“My sense is that people have over-read what the White House has said on encryption,” said Robert Knake, a senior fellow at the Council of Foreign Relations who formerly served as White House Director of Cybersecurity Policy. “They said they wouldn’t seek to legislate ‘backdoors’ in these technologies. They didn’t say they wouldn’t try to access the data in other ways.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-19/secret-memo-details-u-s-s-broader-strategy-to-crack-phones
Secret Memo Details U.S.’s Broader Strategy to Crack Phones
Silicon Valley celebrated last fall when the White House revealed it would not seek legislation forcing technology makers to install “backdoors” in their software -- secret listening posts where investigators could pierce the veil of secrecy on users’ encrypted data, from text messages to video chats. But while the companies may have thought that was the final word, in fact the government was working on a Plan B.
In a secret meeting convened by the White House around Thanksgiving, senior national security officials ordered agencies across the U.S. government to find ways to counter encryption software and gain access to the most heavily protected user data on the most secure consumer devices, including Apple Inc.’s iPhone, the marquee product of one of America’s most valuable companies, according to two people familiar with the decision.
The approach was formalized in a confidential National Security Council “decision memo,” tasking government agencies with developing encryption workarounds, estimating additional budgets and identifying laws that may need to be changed to counter what FBI Director James Comey calls the “going dark” problem: investigators being unable to access the contents of encrypted data stored on mobile devices or traveling across the Internet. Details of the memo reveal that, in private, the government was honing a sharper edge to its relationship with Silicon Valley alongside more public signs of rapprochement.
On Tuesday, the public got its first glimpse of what those efforts may look like when a federal judge ordered Apple to create a special tool for the FBI to bypass security protections on an iPhone 5c belonging to one of the shooters in the Dec. 2 terrorist attack in San Bernardino, California that killed 14 people. Apple Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook has vowed to fight the order, calling it a “chilling” demand that Apple “hack our own users and undermine decades of security advancements that protect our customers.” The order was not a direct outcome of the memo but is in line with the broader government strategy.
White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Wednesday that the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Justice have the Obama administration’s “full” support in the matter. The government is “not asking Apple to redesign its product or to create a new backdoor to their products,” but rather are seeking entry “to this one device,” he said.
Security specialists say the case carries enormous consequences, for privacy and the competitiveness of U.S. businesses, and that the National Security Council directive, which has not been previously reported, shows that technology companies underestimated the resolve of the U.S. government to access encrypted data.
“My sense is that people have over-read what the White House has said on encryption,” said Robert Knake, a senior fellow at the Council of Foreign Relations who formerly served as White House Director of Cybersecurity Policy. “They said they wouldn’t seek to legislate ‘backdoors’ in these technologies. They didn’t say they wouldn’t try to access the data in other ways.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-19/secret-memo-details-u-s-s-broader-strategy-to-crack-phones
If there is anything interesting to them on your iPhone then it is probably better that they have it, that way people stupid enough to talk about jailable shit on a phone get removed from the gene pool during their fertile years and do not breed any more stupid people
A bit harsh maybe, but the problems that lax stupidity with phones and all electronic comms causes can be far worse.
A bit harsh maybe, but the problems that lax stupidity with phones and all electronic comms causes can be far worse.
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Apple-FBI Legal Skirmish Over Passcodes Hits In MIddle Tennessee
http://www.newschannel5.com/news/apple-fbi-legal-skirmish-over-passcodes-hits-in-middle-tennessee
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - A Middle Tennessee woman has tried to access photos on her late husband's phone, but the legal battle over who can have access to a person's I-Phone may keep her from them.
A local widow desperately wanted access to her deceased husband's cell phone for sentimental photos and other things. Like the FBI she's been told to get a court order, but just like the FBI she may be out of luck.
"This is at our wedding. One of our first kisses together. It was a great day," said Linda Randolph as she held the photographs of her wedding and the memories of her late husband Stephen. He died last week.
"It just came all of a sudden. We had a diagnosis of acute lymphoplastic leukemia," said Randolph.
In the days after her husband's death, Randolph remembered several sentimental photos remained on his I-Phone.
"He's gone, and he's not coming back and these pictures are so important to me," she said.
Randolph went to download the images, but then realized she and her husband never exchanged passwords. She was locked out of the phone.
Randolph figured Apple could help, but was stunned to be told she'd need a court order. Then a few days later, the national story broke: Apple declined a judge's order to provide the passcode to an accused terrorist's cell phone for the FBI.
"My first thought was if they won't listen to the FBI to help solve a crime why would a court order from a widow in Tennessee mean anything to them," said Randolph.
Her situation is not identical to the FBI's case. She requires a different passcode, but Apple has still asked for a court order.
She doesn't have the money to hire an attorney to get one, and wondered if Apple would even comply if she did.
"If they're not going to listen to the FBI, they won't listen to a widow who only wants access to pictures," said Randolph.
One lesson from all this, more people will be sharing their passcodes with loved ones in the event something should happen.
Why has Apple resisted the judge's order in the FBI case? Company officials argue that creating a "backdoor" program to gain access to the passcodes on I-Phones creates a security risk for their customers.
Debate over the case involving the FBI could end up at the U.S. Supreme Court.
http://www.newschannel5.com/news/apple-fbi-legal-skirmish-over-passcodes-hits-in-middle-tennessee
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - A Middle Tennessee woman has tried to access photos on her late husband's phone, but the legal battle over who can have access to a person's I-Phone may keep her from them.
A local widow desperately wanted access to her deceased husband's cell phone for sentimental photos and other things. Like the FBI she's been told to get a court order, but just like the FBI she may be out of luck.
"This is at our wedding. One of our first kisses together. It was a great day," said Linda Randolph as she held the photographs of her wedding and the memories of her late husband Stephen. He died last week.
"It just came all of a sudden. We had a diagnosis of acute lymphoplastic leukemia," said Randolph.
In the days after her husband's death, Randolph remembered several sentimental photos remained on his I-Phone.
"He's gone, and he's not coming back and these pictures are so important to me," she said.
Randolph went to download the images, but then realized she and her husband never exchanged passwords. She was locked out of the phone.
Randolph figured Apple could help, but was stunned to be told she'd need a court order. Then a few days later, the national story broke: Apple declined a judge's order to provide the passcode to an accused terrorist's cell phone for the FBI.
"My first thought was if they won't listen to the FBI to help solve a crime why would a court order from a widow in Tennessee mean anything to them," said Randolph.
Her situation is not identical to the FBI's case. She requires a different passcode, but Apple has still asked for a court order.
She doesn't have the money to hire an attorney to get one, and wondered if Apple would even comply if she did.
"If they're not going to listen to the FBI, they won't listen to a widow who only wants access to pictures," said Randolph.
One lesson from all this, more people will be sharing their passcodes with loved ones in the event something should happen.
Why has Apple resisted the judge's order in the FBI case? Company officials argue that creating a "backdoor" program to gain access to the passcodes on I-Phones creates a security risk for their customers.
Debate over the case involving the FBI could end up at the U.S. Supreme Court.
JohnKimble
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Encryption, like GnuPGP is illegal in china for a reason. The government doesn't like something that is unbreakable..
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the freedom to have secrets, that is the question
here's a little non-secret, been around for many years
there is a form of unbreakable encryption, unbreakable by NSA, CIA, and any other A's you care to name
unbreakable forever, even when the aliens from Andromeda drop in millions of years from now
they are called one time pads, simply a random set of numbers, truly random is the key
use the pad to encrypt message, the same pad also decrypts message, very simple operation called XOR
down side? not a public key, pad must be delivered to another user by courier
and even untouchable by quantum computers, only option is possession of the pad
here's a little non-secret, been around for many years
there is a form of unbreakable encryption, unbreakable by NSA, CIA, and any other A's you care to name
unbreakable forever, even when the aliens from Andromeda drop in millions of years from now
they are called one time pads, simply a random set of numbers, truly random is the key
use the pad to encrypt message, the same pad also decrypts message, very simple operation called XOR
down side? not a public key, pad must be delivered to another user by courier
and even untouchable by quantum computers, only option is possession of the pad
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Even if you have nothing incriminating on your phone it and the apps that run on it are harvesting your data for profit.
St. Phatty
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What about third party software ?
Yes it is a show. About the only marketing move they could make is to protect their customer's privacy - OFFICIALLY.
In a technology 'free market', I would normally bet on the encrypter, than the decrypt-er.
Meaning your written thoughts are safe, if they are protected by code written by a decent programmer.
But the software universe post 9-11 is not a flat playing field.
Like for instance Google Apps. I was fucking around on my phone the other day, and came across a google app that came pre-installed on the phone, and was running 24/7. Went into the details on the app, and here's what it said: This app has permission to access and/or modify on your device: contacts, calender events, call logs. It said point blank they can take pics and record audio whenever they want. Lots of other stuff they are able to do I just can't remember it all.
No need to try and break into your phone, when they already have everything they want/ need, backed up on their servers. When forcing the app to stop, and removing it a warning message pops up that says , If you do this your phone may not work correctly, an some apps may cease to function. They really wanna be able to collect your data!!!
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I have no evidence of this but I would not be surprised if they log every word said spoken around them. Perhaps they filter it for keywords. Perhaps keywords trigger the recording. Imagine that, if you could have everything a person thinks and say$
My thought is folks rat each other out all the time, misdirection I say.
The goal is to get the bad guys, not waste resources on dead ends.
Speculation is rampant that this case will move quickly to the supreme court.
Imagine that.
Lazy investigation technique by the feds, probably nothing on that
phone but some goat sex porn anyway.
The goal is to get the bad guys, not waste resources on dead ends.
Speculation is rampant that this case will move quickly to the supreme court.
Imagine that.
Lazy investigation technique by the feds, probably nothing on that
phone but some goat sex porn anyway.
if i were apple I wouldn't give the govt the time of day.
it boils down for apple having to trust the govt.they won't do something like fuk up with it and misuse apples trust....
like the 2 *rouge* IRS agents did targeting political opponents using the full force of one of the most powerful govt agencies in the USA
only it wasn't 2 rouge agents but the corruption went to the top and even into the whitehouse.
speaking of the white house, this is their official tale on it.
If you like your I phone
you can keep your i phone
if that blatant lie your president told you 28 times doesn't do it....
how about this classic....
were gonna save(TAKE) some of the money you earn.
we PROMISE not to spend it, we'll save it for you.
so when you get old didn't do a good job of saving for retirement you can rest easy
because your govt will have your back when your old and gray
it boils down for apple having to trust the govt.they won't do something like fuk up with it and misuse apples trust....
like the 2 *rouge* IRS agents did targeting political opponents using the full force of one of the most powerful govt agencies in the USA
only it wasn't 2 rouge agents but the corruption went to the top and even into the whitehouse.
speaking of the white house, this is their official tale on it.
If you like your I phone
you can keep your i phone
if that blatant lie your president told you 28 times doesn't do it....
how about this classic....
were gonna save(TAKE) some of the money you earn.
we PROMISE not to spend it, we'll save it for you.
so when you get old didn't do a good job of saving for retirement you can rest easy
because your govt will have your back when your old and gray
Green Squall
Well-known member
lol who's the ONE person who voted yes?
I only own one Apple product (old school Ipod) but I have a new respect for them.
I only own one Apple product (old school Ipod) but I have a new respect for them.
There has been so much wild speculation, let me just add mine.
The fact that China now allows the iPhone 6s to be sold there speaks volumes to me. I don't think they'd legalize sales now unless they were given the back-door.
I think the whole thing is just a smoke and mirrors, misdirection game. There were already hundreds of legal cases pending about this already. So it begs the question, why this one?
The San Bernardino case is just known by everyone, and scares everybody, so is being used by the government here to fool people into a false sense of security. So they are using that particular one in this game.
Now think about if everyone knew all the data on their iPhone WAS accessible by the government. People would stop buying them. The second largest company in the US, only second to Exon-mobile, might collapse. Since the US is by far the world economic powerhouse, there would be global repercussions. Maybe even economic collapse, certainly serious scrambling.
So for those reasons I think it's all a stupid dog and pony show designed to deceive people into a false sense of security. I think they already have the technology but want to safeguard it and don't want people to know they have it.
Again, this is just speculation on my part and I have no evidence, other than just logic, to support this opinion. I have no dog in this fight. I have absolutely no Apple products, nor ever will buy any. I bought an iPad a few years ago but eventually disconnected the POS and let the battery completely drain.
Oh, and fuck the police. There are some good dicks. But some real assholes and their management totally sucks.
The fact that China now allows the iPhone 6s to be sold there speaks volumes to me. I don't think they'd legalize sales now unless they were given the back-door.
I think the whole thing is just a smoke and mirrors, misdirection game. There were already hundreds of legal cases pending about this already. So it begs the question, why this one?
The San Bernardino case is just known by everyone, and scares everybody, so is being used by the government here to fool people into a false sense of security. So they are using that particular one in this game.
Now think about if everyone knew all the data on their iPhone WAS accessible by the government. People would stop buying them. The second largest company in the US, only second to Exon-mobile, might collapse. Since the US is by far the world economic powerhouse, there would be global repercussions. Maybe even economic collapse, certainly serious scrambling.
So for those reasons I think it's all a stupid dog and pony show designed to deceive people into a false sense of security. I think they already have the technology but want to safeguard it and don't want people to know they have it.
Again, this is just speculation on my part and I have no evidence, other than just logic, to support this opinion. I have no dog in this fight. I have absolutely no Apple products, nor ever will buy any. I bought an iPad a few years ago but eventually disconnected the POS and let the battery completely drain.
Oh, and fuck the police. There are some good dicks. But some real assholes and their management totally sucks.
my password is fuck you.....yeehaw..my phone isn't locked with password and contains no info that could be used against me////...I have burner phones for anything else....
i'd bet good money that there are bored as hell narcotics officers watching the site, hoping someone will give away their real identity or where they live, or hoping to recognize something in a picture.
like this pelican. he flies coast to coast every two weeks bringing in medical grade sensi bud from California, hauling it in his pouch. one of the biggest dealers in the state...
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