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Republicans and marijuana

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JBlaze

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Apathy and complacency causes the downfall of liberty my friend. Such reads the narrative the of the proletariat.

Laziness is the cousin complacency. We live in a country where obesity is an epidemic. Sheep we are not, Americans are cattle. With no soul or individuality, just a hunger for materialism and conformity.

Ben Franklin rolled in his grave.
 

sandawg

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Again, I say our friend sandawg isn't making the distinction that ALL Republicans are against mj. Look at legislative voting records. We're not talking about passive Republican legislators and officials that don't join reform procedures. We're talking about ACTIVE opponents of reform. I don't expect any politician or official to actively seek reform when it's such a powerfully divisive issue. However, when they thwart reform, they thwart reform. Plain and simple.

As far as registered Republican voters, I've already posted info that indicates they're no more against reform than non-Republican voters. It's the elected officials we're talking about. Most of these Republican legislators and officials enjoyed Independent, even Democratic support in their elections. But it doesn't dissolve the fact that reform roadblocks are instigated by elected Republicans.

I am pleased this thread has generated so much interest. Disco here sums it better than I was able. I was wrong to imply all Republicans are for MMJ prohibition when I was simply pointing to my observation that elected Republican officials are behind the push to shut down MMJ dispensaries. If you live in one of the 36 states where there is no MMJ law yet, be careful: Republican lawmakers are trying to push MMJ laws through these states that limit access to MMJ except for terminal illnesses. The fear is that if they don't proactively push an MMJ law through, they might end up with a ballot initiative like California's where, according to Bill O'Reilly, people will be smoking MMJ for "sunburn." What a catastrophe that would be, right?

My OP was born out of my observation that Republican lawmakers are uniting in their opposition to MMJ dispensaries. After making this observation, I wanted to know why Republican lawmakers are taking this position which betrays two cornerstones of their political philosophy.

Why are Republican lawmakers opposed to marijuana? THAT is and always has been my question here. I didn't post this OP to see whether people agree with my observation or not. I have been reading MMJ articles everyday and it is very clear to me that MMJ dispensaries are clearly a partisan issue with Republican lawmakers strongly opposing them. My question is WHY? That is what I want to know. We have a states' rights issue, a laissez-fair/supply-and-demand issue, but these Republican lawmakers are all for raiding and shutting down dispensaries. They don't want people with sunburn smoking MMJ, only terminally ill cancer patients. WHY?

My theory is Republican lawmakers fear marijuana 'makes people liberal.' So can we stop debating whether Republicans are behind the prohibition? If you don't believe they are, then I suggest you start reading the newspaper and paying close attention to who is supporting what. I want to know why Republicans are against MMJ dispensaries. Is it pressure from big pharma? Is it to prevent appearing "soft" on drugs and crime? I really want to know.

Edit: here is a link: http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14478976?nclick_check=1

Notice the quote from this councilman Kirby Nicols: Councilman Kirby Nicol supported an herbal wellness center but not medical cannabis.
"It's clearly a violation of federal law," he said.

Now this is exactly what I am talking about. And to be fair, I have NO idea what political party this guy Nicol is affiliated with. I tried to find out. If I were a betting man, I would bet he is a Republican. Because I have seen Republicans over the last couple of years making the same statements. Can anyone prove what party this guy is affiliated with. Because it is city council members like this guy that are the biggest threat to MMJ dispensaries. These conservative politicians are voting to ban dispensaries in their cities and counties. Instead of denying the fact that they are political conservatives, we should be asking, "Why are they taking this position?" What can we do to stop them?
 

hoosierdaddy

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sandawg,
I took offense to your blanket statements about what you consider Republicans to be and who they are. Have you ever considered that people you see everyday, that you don't consider smokers of pot, are smoking pot? Perhaps they aren't like the ratty jeans, dreadlocked, stereotypical stoner? Maybe they kick big fucking ass at fight club, but don't talk fight club with stoner looking people?
Get rid of your stereotypical prejudices if you want to learn and grow.

Now, you are crying the blues about Republicans being the cause of the stalls. Well, I say you need to take a little closer look at things.
I tried to explain that an anecdote or two from local councils is not a representation of their party line. And what you are bringing to the table is simply anecdotes that are not pertinent to the real issue.

You bring in Capitola as an example...well, how many people are in this town? I know there are only THREE COUNCILMEN in the place. They make $500 a month for their services to the community.
The city itself it situated on one of the most beautiful parts of the Nation, and it's people are very satisfied with it. They also apparently very satisfied with their elected officials, as evident from the published surveys taken.
One of the reasons given to vote no, was there was no real need for the thing to be. No demand. And just like anything else a city council may vote on, such as a new McDonalds or whatever, the demand must be weighed.

Now, there was NOT ONE COMMENT given at the website you gave us. Not one. I would say that includes YOU not commenting.
I find that interesting.

So, you came here and throw your stones at Republicans and blame them for this?


sandawg said:
And THAT, my friends, is why Republicans really fear marijuana, whether it be legalized for medical reasons or not. Because they fear it 'liberalizes' the conscience.
DO you honestly think that simply because someone describes themselves as a Republican, that they don't have the mental capacity to think about things? Or at least not with the super critical way of thinking and analysis that you apply to things?
Or is it that your own conscience is so easily molded that you feel others are also as flimsy as yourself?


I think I am done with you on this one.
 
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growclean

Grow Clean.... Go Fast!
I have noticed that more and more people seem to have the mentality of growclean.
We are so fucked.

I have my mentality because we are fucked... not vice versa.

Don't mistake my current frustration for overall apathy or laziness... neither of which I would be accused of in person...

But yeah I agree. I don't know where we are going. I mean, a majority of our citizens can be convinced that public healthcare would hurt them...
 

DiscoBiscuit

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I am pleased this thread has generated so much interest. Disco here sums it better than I was able. I was wrong to imply all Republicans are for MMJ prohibition when I was simply pointing to my observation that elected Republican officials are behind the push to shut down MMJ dispensaries.

Correct me if I'm wrong, sandawg but didn't you mean

"It was wrong to imply all Republicans are for MMJ prohibition..."

Don't bother, some won't allow you to clarify, even if there's nothing wrong with what you said. A simple twist can put words in your mouth and then you're wasting time on a manufactured argument/distraction.

The only info in this thread disparaging Republicans are a whole are the one liner, drive by insults. It's telling that these direct shots to the chin are ignored and the info you bring is shouted down with spin. If we can make your soul sound evil enough, then we don't have to listen to what you say. Even if your just the messenger. Then we can all go back to ignoring the reality that Republicans are against our reform interests.

BTW, I'm not wasting any more time typing distinctions that are ignored. Especially by repeat repeats, lol. From here on out, "Republicans" refers to active prohibition/reform thwarting officials, just as it has from the OP.

If you live in one of the 36 states where there is no MMJ law yet, be careful: Republican lawmakers are trying to push MMJ laws through these states that limit access to MMJ except for terminal illnesses. The fear is that if they don't proactively push an MMJ law through, they might end up with a ballot initiative like California's where, according to Bill O'Reilly, people will be smoking MMJ for "sunburn." What a catastrophe that would be, right?

My OP was born out of my observation that Republican lawmakers are uniting in their opposition to MMJ dispensaries. After making this observation, I wanted to know why Republican lawmakers are taking this position which betrays two cornerstones of their political philosophy.

Why are Republican lawmakers opposed to marijuana? THAT is and always has been my question here. I didn't post this OP to see whether people agree with my observation or not. I have been reading MMJ articles everyday and it is very clear to me that MMJ dispensaries are clearly a partisan issue with Republican lawmakers strongly opposing them. My question is WHY? That is what I want to know. We have a states' rights issue, a laissez-fair/supply-and-demand issue, but these Republican lawmakers are all for raiding and shutting down dispensaries. They don't want people with sunburn smoking MMJ, only terminally ill cancer patients. WHY?

My theory is Republican lawmakers fear marijuana 'makes people liberal.' So can we stop debating whether Republicans are behind the prohibition? If you don't believe they are, then I suggest you start reading the newspaper and paying close attention to who is supporting what. I want to know why Republicans are against MMJ dispensaries. Is it pressure from big pharma? Is it to prevent appearing "soft" on drugs and crime? I really want to know.

Edit: here is a link: http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14478976?nclick_check=1

Notice the quote from this councilman Kirby Nicols: Councilman Kirby Nicol supported an herbal wellness center but not medical cannabis.
"It's clearly a violation of federal law," he said.

Now this is exactly what I am talking about. And to be fair, I have NO idea what political party this guy Nicol is affiliated with. I tried to find out. If I were a betting man, I would bet he is a Republican. Because I have seen Republicans over the last couple of years making the same statements. Can anyone prove what party this guy is affiliated with. Because it is city council members like this guy that are the biggest threat to MMJ dispensaries. These conservative politicians are voting to ban dispensaries in their cities and counties. Instead of denying the fact that they are political conservatives, we should be asking, "Why are they taking this position?" What can we do to stop them?
Politicians will always use divisive issues, especially controversial ones for political gain. Unfortunately, mj/mmj is unique in that there's not enough active grass roots support for non-conservatives to go after it. But it's still there for conservatives to exploit. Of the active Republican prohibitionist/reform opponents we see in news, practically nobody knows them on a national level. It brings attention as it gets news in national publications. This helps to raise money for PACs and elections. I know, Jesse Helms used to be my senator and he sought every issue possible to exploit and gain national appeal. Conservatives nationwide knew Helms was a bastion of old school conservatism but never howled that Helms wasn't active in things like repealing Roe v Wade or lowering taxes when at the time, the highest rate was 80% and higher. It was all stump to win a national name, capable of winning contributions on a national level.
 

DiscoBiscuit

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sandawg,
I took offense to your blanket statements about what you consider Republicans to be and who they are. Have you ever considered that people you see everyday, that you don't consider smokers of pot, are smoking pot? Perhaps they aren't like the ratty jeans, dreadlocked, stereotypical stoner? Maybe they kick big fucking ass at fight club, but don't talk fight club with stoner looking people?
Get rid of your stereotypical prejudices if you want to learn and grow.

Leave it to beaver to preach acceptance and understanding.:blowbubbles: You're making up you're own crap, boy. And you're a divider, not a uniter. Stereotypical prejudices run through your veins like ice water. Why don't you take on the drive by, one liners? They're more your speed. You just waste everybody else's time.

Now, you are crying the blues about Republicans being the cause of the stalls. Well, I say you need to take a little closer look at things.
I tried to explain that an anecdote or two from local councils is not a representation of their party line. And what you are bringing to the table is simply anecdotes that are not pertinent to the real issue.
You ignore the book and argue the preface.

You bring in Capitola as an example...well, how many people are in this town? I know there are only THREE COUNCILMEN in the place. They make $500 a month for their services to the community.
The city itself it situated on one of the most beautiful parts of the Nation, and it's people are very satisfied with it. They also apparently very satisfied with their elected officials, as evident from the published surveys taken.
As evident you will tap keys even when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, ad infinitum. These "very satisfied" voters released a recall petition for their councilman that voted against carbon reductions in the so-called "most beautiful part of the nation." He's also fucked in a fund misappropriation scandal. The only thing satisfied here is your 30 second google investigation.


One of the reasons given to vote no, was there was no real need for the thing to be. No demand. And just like anything else a city council may vote on, such as a new McDonalds or whatever, the demand must be weighed.
You can support these reform opponents all you want and nobody else gives a fuck. We can just all sit back and watch you singlehandedly justify the OP. Ignoring the fact that "no demand" is a stupid argument only shows you ignore active reform in the wrong direction. You even give them the benefit of the doubt while you ignore the facts and get personal with the op.

Now, there was NOT ONE COMMENT given at the website you gave us. Not one. I would say that includes YOU not commenting.
I find that interesting.

So, you came here and throw your stones at Republicans and blame them for this?
Nah, you're the troll. Total distraction. You don't give a fuck about this thread except to knock it off the tracks. No different than every other opinionated thread. A total and complete waste of attention.

DO you honestly think that simply because someone describes themselves as a Republican, that they don't have the mental capacity to think about things?
The mental capacity to sympathize with the prohibition side of this issue.:D

Or at least not with the super critical way of thinking and analysis that you apply to things?
Or is it that your own conscience is so easily molded that you feel others are also as flimsy as yourself?


I think I am done with you on this one.
Well go on with your bad self, symapthizer.
 

Grat3fulh3ad

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I want to touch more on this "entitlement" mentality that is poisoning our society...
...
Surely the Church should have been caring for these ‘orphans and widows in their distress.’ (James 1:27). Shouldn’t the pulpits across America have flamed with exhortations to rush to the front lines of compassion?

“How have we missed it so tragically, when even rock stars and Hollywood actors seem to understand?”

Mr. Stearns argues that evangelicals were often so focused on sexual morality and a personal relationship with God that they ignored the needy. He writes laceratingly about “a Church that had the wealth to build great sanctuaries but lacked the will to build schools, hospitals, and clinics.”

In one striking passage, Mr. Stearns quotes the prophet Ezekiel as saying that the great sin of the people of Sodom wasn’t so much that they were promiscuous or gay as that they were “arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.” (Ezekiel 16:49.)

Hmm. Imagine if sodomy laws could be used to punish the stingy, unconcerned rich!
 

hoosierdaddy

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Disco, once again your post was worth shit.
Just what evidence do you have of my being stereotypical prejudiced? I admit to being prejudice against the progressive movement, and liberal socialists. But try to pin your racist bullshit on me, and you will get more of the same FUCK YOU.
Now move along, Jr. You have nothing to offer.

Head, I bet that religious philanthropy far outweighs any coming from the secular sector.
Want to bet?
And when you think that actors and the hollywood types have the smarts on others, well, you yourself are as misguided and awkwardly stupid as they are.

I actively help orphans and widows in their distress, do you?
 

DiscoBiscuit

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Good post, h3ad. Since 1980, "entitlement mentality" has swung full tilt towards business. The bigger you are, the more you get. Instead of trickle down, wage disparity is worse than any time since 1929. For 30 years, we've seen jobs evaporate or relocate. Instead of generating good jobs and good economies, hundreds of billions are diverted to personal investments, doing nothing for jobs and or economy. Adding insult to injuy, tens of billions in investment profits are funneled to offshore banks and dodging taxes that already benefit the top 5% more than at any time since the 20s.

hoosier, what sort of entitlements are you typing about? Welfare mothers? :wave:
 

Grat3fulh3ad

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Disco, once again your post was worth shit.
Just what evidence do you have of my being stereotypical prejudiced? I admit to being prejudice against the progressive movement, and liberal socialists. But try to pin your racist bullshit on me, and you will get more of the same FUCK YOU.
Now move along, Jr. You have nothing to offer.

Head, I bet that religious philanthropy far outweighs any coming from the secular sector.
Want to bet?
And when you think that actors and the hollywood types have the smarts on others, well, you yourself are as misguided and awkwardly stupid as they are.

I actively help orphans and widows in their distress, do you?

haha... I was quoting a preacher who was quoting the bible... I thought you were a believer.... I guess he was misguided and stupid?
I already know which charity organization has the biggest budget, and yes World Vision is an evangelical christian organization...

One would imagine no good christian would want the USA to turn into Sodom, you had better change your tune about socialized care, looks like god was a socialist...
Ezekiel 16:49 (King James Version)
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

and yes i have donated to quite a few domestic charity organizations... that a problem for you? Philanthropy piss you off or something?

If secular liberals can give up some of their snootiness, and if evangelicals can retire some of their sanctimony, then we all might succeed together in making greater progress against common enemies of humanity
 

hoosierdaddy

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Taxes aren't fair at all, and hose the fuck out of the big companies, and folks that make big bucks. And their money should not be considered part of your entitlement.
But, when things aren't fair, the liberal way is to demonize those who are getting screwed, so that the rest of us don't feel bad for them. Tactic that is used on the minds of the less than learned, and ignorant.
You spread the wealth people have fucked up thought patterns. Chairman Mao would be proud though.
 

DiscoBiscuit

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Just what evidence do you have of my being stereotypical prejudiced?

So says Archie Bunker, looking at all those "All In The Family" episodes.

Click on "hoosierdaddy". Click "Find more posts by hoosierdaddy". Take your pick of many. When you decide to move on from IC, you might be able to delete picks but your comments will live on. Just because your tapping keys as opposed to having a taped sitcom doesn't make any difference.

I admit to being prejudice against the progressive movement, and liberal socialists. But try to pin your racist bullshit on me, and you will get more of the same.
Does that mean you're capable being a racist, when the time serves you? I don't care what your prejudices are. What I care is you're thrill of showing your crack on a regular basis.

Head, I bet that religious philanthropy far outweighs any coming from the secular sector.
Want to bet?
I want in on that one and you're gonna lose.

And when you think that actors and the hollywood types have the smarts on others, well, you yourself are as misguided and awkwardly stupid as they are.
More prejudice, Arch?
canned laughter from the set of "All In The Diddy".

I actively help orphans and widows in their distress, do you?
I sure hope they don't have to see the side of you IC does. I get the feeling you're more digestible in the real world and save your game on the keyboard.
 
Taxes aren't fair at all, and hose the fuck out of the big companies, and folks that make big bucks. And their money should not be considered part of your entitlement.
But, when things aren't fair, the liberal way is to demonize those who are getting screwed, so that the rest of us don't feel bad for them. Tactic that is used on the minds of the less than learned, and ignorant.
You spread the wealth people have fucked up thought patterns. Chairman Mao would be proud though.

Your state:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/topic/30.html

Federal Tax Burdens and Expenditures: Kentucky is a Beneficiary State
Kentucky taxpayers receive more federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid than the average state. Per dollar of federal tax collected in 2005, Kentucky citizens received approximately $1.51 in the way of federal spending. This ranks the state 9th highest nationally and represents a rise from 1995 when Kentucky received $1.28 per dollar of taxes in federal spending (ranked 13th nationally).
Kentucky is a conservative state, but they sure don't mind redistributing the wealth to themselves, eh?
 

DiscoBiscuit

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Taxes aren't fair at all, and hose the fuck out of the big companies, and folks that make big bucks. And their money should not be considered part of your entitlement.

You're a clay pigeon. "Your entitlement" turned into 30 years of breaks for the rich thanks to de-reagan-lation. The last Dubya giveaways took is from your kids and their kids, lol. W gave em 785 billion more as he slithered out the escape hatch, leaving the WORST mess almost 8 decades.

But, when things aren't fair, the liberal way is to demonize those who are getting screwed, so that the rest of us don't feel bad for them.
Ba Ba Ba Beck.:laughing:

The rest is just a bunch of prejudice. Pointing your finger at the crowd and making declarations.

Tactic that is used on the minds of the less than learned, and ignorant.
You spread the wealth people have fucked up thought patterns. Chairman Mao would be proud though.
 

Unsane

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It seems as if the entire South is a welfare region of the US. I would wager that almost all conservative states are welfare states--with the exception of perhaps Texas.

Then we have ultra-conservative states with less than a million people like Montana, Wyoming, South/North Dakota, Alaska, etc., that get to have two Senators each....all they do is obstruct the duty of Congress to govern our country...

Tyranny of the MINORITY if you ask me.
 

DiscoBiscuit

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Your state:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/topic/30.html

Kentucky is a conservative state, but they sure don't mind redistributing the wealth to themselves, eh?

Great post, stink. :biglaugh: Unfortunately, diddy will only get the details in the sub-links and doesn't have that long an attention span. In the event he musters enough cardio to read, he'll just toss one of those cracked pigeons that isn't worth aiming at.
 

whodair

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our last republican president reminded me more of a whiskey and blow type dude.

the democrat before him, definite pussy addict!!
 

SpasticGramps

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that get to have two Senators each....all they do is obstruct the duty of Congress to govern our country...

Tyranny of the MINORITY if you ask me.

You sound like quite the tyrant yourself. lol Fuck the system, eh. Whatever it takes to get what you want done.

That's a damn shame IMO.

How can people not see the mentality of tyrants in statements like that? That is blatant subversion of the Constitution and the Republic for progressive ideological gains.

Forget the people instead, of We the People???!?!?! That's damn near treason IMO.

The issue you are so upset about can be handled at the state level.
 
And that's where the conservative argument always fails because it's the liberal 'blue' states that are getting .73 cents for every dollar they pitch in. They want lower taxes without actually pulling their own weight.

Federal Tax Burdens and Expenditures: Kentucky is a Beneficiary State
Kentucky taxpayers receive more federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid than the average state. Per dollar of federal tax collected in 2005, Kentucky citizens received approximately $1.51 in the way of federal spending. This ranks the state 9th highest nationally and represents a rise from 1995 when Kentucky received $1.28 per dollar of taxes in federal spending (ranked 13th nationally).
 
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