So Hai
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Hey are you feeling well, you look a bit out of shape..
Political Discussion in The Speakers Corner....
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they are great for the economy. legal or illegal. hell, especially illegal, they pay into our system and get nothing in return. i don't agree with that personally but for all the psychos who buy into migrant propaganda out there, they should love that we exploit them so much.
So Hai
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Much better,
Promoting mass migration by claiming it good for the economy has become almost a stereotypical example of migrant propaganda. Many of people who believed in this fallacy now find themselves living in high crime societies, wondering how could it happen.
Illegal and legal immigrants commit LESS crime than native born populations. This has been a fact for a long time now.
Even the right wing libertardian think tank CATO admits this;
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"The results are similar to our other work on illegal immigration and crime in Texas. In 2018, the illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 782 per 100,000 illegal immigrants, 535 per 100,000 legal immigrants, and 1,422 per 100,000 native‐born Americans. The illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 45 percent below that of native‐born Americans in Texas. The general pattern of native‐born Americans having the highest criminal conviction rates followed by illegal immigrants and then with legal immigrants having the lowest holds for all of other specific types of crimes such as violent crimes, property crimes, homicide, and sex crimes.
Since Texas is the only state that records and keeps the immigration statuses of those arrested, we can’t make a direct apples‐to‐apples comparison between Texas and other states (every state should record and keep this information so we can answer this important question). It could be that illegal immigrants in Texas are the most law‐abiding illegal immigrant population in the country – or the least law‐abiding. Until other states start recording and keeping the data, we won’t know for sure. But there is much suggestive evidence that the illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate in Texas is comparable to their crime rates across the country.
For instance, the ratio of the nationwide estimated illegal immigrant incarceration rate to the native and legal immigrant incarceration rates is very similar to the same ratios for the criminal conviction rate in Texas. The similarity is evidence that the pattern in Texas holds nationwide, at least to the extent that convictions and incarcerations are correlated. The only way that illegal immigrants could have a higher incarceration rate is if there is something seriously wrong with our method of estimating their total population in the United States and the actual number is much smaller or we are seriously undercounting illegal immigrants who are incarcerated. Neither is very likely, but it’s important to mention the possibility."
Even the right wing libertardian think tank CATO admits this;
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"The results are similar to our other work on illegal immigration and crime in Texas. In 2018, the illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 782 per 100,000 illegal immigrants, 535 per 100,000 legal immigrants, and 1,422 per 100,000 native‐born Americans. The illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 45 percent below that of native‐born Americans in Texas. The general pattern of native‐born Americans having the highest criminal conviction rates followed by illegal immigrants and then with legal immigrants having the lowest holds for all of other specific types of crimes such as violent crimes, property crimes, homicide, and sex crimes.
Since Texas is the only state that records and keeps the immigration statuses of those arrested, we can’t make a direct apples‐to‐apples comparison between Texas and other states (every state should record and keep this information so we can answer this important question). It could be that illegal immigrants in Texas are the most law‐abiding illegal immigrant population in the country – or the least law‐abiding. Until other states start recording and keeping the data, we won’t know for sure. But there is much suggestive evidence that the illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate in Texas is comparable to their crime rates across the country.
For instance, the ratio of the nationwide estimated illegal immigrant incarceration rate to the native and legal immigrant incarceration rates is very similar to the same ratios for the criminal conviction rate in Texas. The similarity is evidence that the pattern in Texas holds nationwide, at least to the extent that convictions and incarcerations are correlated. The only way that illegal immigrants could have a higher incarceration rate is if there is something seriously wrong with our method of estimating their total population in the United States and the actual number is much smaller or we are seriously undercounting illegal immigrants who are incarcerated. Neither is very likely, but it’s important to mention the possibility."
The Lib/Dems have to destroy democracy to save it. Sounds like a ville in Vietnam...
Let the puerile libs make this one go away:
"Former Rep. Liz Cheney’s January 6 Committee suppressed evidence that President Donald Trump pushed for 10,000 National Guard troops to protect the nation’s capital, a previously hidden transcript obtained by The Federalist shows.
"Cheney and her committee falsely claimed they had “no evidence” to support Trump officials’ claims the White House had communicated its desire for 10,000 National Guard troops. In fact, an early transcribed interview conducted by the committee included precisely that evidence from a key source. The interview, which Cheney attended and personally participated in, was suppressed from public release until now.
"Deputy Chief of Staff Anthony Ornato’s first transcribed interview with the committee was conducted on January 28, 2022. In it, he told Cheney and her investigators that he overheard White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows push Washington D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser to request as many National Guard troops as she needed to protect the city.
"Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser was the official with the authority to allow National Guard troops in the city. Ornato also told the January 6th committee, including Cheney (who was present for his deposition), that Trump thought 10,000 troops would be necessary given the size of the protests expected. Bowser reportedly denied the offer for a large force, though, and instead put strict limits on the few hundred troops that were allowed to be present in the area.
"None of these details comport with Cheney's claim in the committee's final report that Trump never requested National Guard troops to help secure the grounds. That would explain why the January 6th committee, which was only interested in placing blame on the former president, did not release this testimony and instead kept it locked away. It is only being released now as part of a Republican House investigation into the matter."
Sauce: https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/0...mp-request-for-national-guard-troops-n2171132
Let the puerile libs make this one go away:
"Former Rep. Liz Cheney’s January 6 Committee suppressed evidence that President Donald Trump pushed for 10,000 National Guard troops to protect the nation’s capital, a previously hidden transcript obtained by The Federalist shows.
"Cheney and her committee falsely claimed they had “no evidence” to support Trump officials’ claims the White House had communicated its desire for 10,000 National Guard troops. In fact, an early transcribed interview conducted by the committee included precisely that evidence from a key source. The interview, which Cheney attended and personally participated in, was suppressed from public release until now.
"Deputy Chief of Staff Anthony Ornato’s first transcribed interview with the committee was conducted on January 28, 2022. In it, he told Cheney and her investigators that he overheard White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows push Washington D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser to request as many National Guard troops as she needed to protect the city.
"Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser was the official with the authority to allow National Guard troops in the city. Ornato also told the January 6th committee, including Cheney (who was present for his deposition), that Trump thought 10,000 troops would be necessary given the size of the protests expected. Bowser reportedly denied the offer for a large force, though, and instead put strict limits on the few hundred troops that were allowed to be present in the area.
"None of these details comport with Cheney's claim in the committee's final report that Trump never requested National Guard troops to help secure the grounds. That would explain why the January 6th committee, which was only interested in placing blame on the former president, did not release this testimony and instead kept it locked away. It is only being released now as part of a Republican House investigation into the matter."
Sauce: https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/0...mp-request-for-national-guard-troops-n2171132
Here's the original sauce from The Federalist.
Exclusive: Jan. 6 Committee Hid Trump-Exonerating Evidence
Cheney and her Jan. 6 committee falsely claimed they had 'no evidence' the Trump White House had asked for 10,000 National Guard troops.
thefederalist.com
It has interesting links attached in the article. I am not convinced of the exonerating evidence. They are below.
Trump White House aide points finger at Jan. 6 National Guard call-up in 14th Amendment trial
Editor’s note: This story has been updated to clarify which information Kash Patel’s testimony about the National Guard contradicted. Former Trump administration aide Kash Patel on Wedn…
thehill.com
Liz Cheney secretly orchestrated op-ed warning on Trump military
Republican Rep. Liz Cheney secretly helped put together an op-ed by 10 former Defense Secretaries before Jan. 6th warning that the time for disputing election results 'has passed.'
Mark Meadows was making a lot of calls on January 6. Did President Trump make any calls while the "riot" was ongoing?
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/ja...tical-moment-during-riot-fmPxoFkeoTKxi0NqPLCL
lol.
his "desire" for 10,000 troops
he was the fucking president, right?
they didn't let his useless ass call them in?
your positions are hilarious. sleepy Joe has so much more power than your little loser who couldn't even call in the national guard despite his "desire"
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Gypsy's corral
Normally, I just like to poke you and watch you jump.
But I get to poke you again: The choice was legally and knowingly not up to him. DYODD and check who had the power to call the shot. It is published easily for you to learn and go red-faced again.
Oh: LOL.
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because I know you won't "DYODD"
it was his choice, and his delegate.
delegate - send or authorize (someone) to do something as a representative.
District of Columbia National Guard
https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/
One last piece for you:
Videotaped Remarks on the Attack on the United States Capitol, the Certification of the Electoral College Results, and the Transition to a New Administration
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/doc...tates-capitol-the-certification-the-electoral
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OUCH! that's gonna leave a bruise... well aimed, audiohi !
well aimed, audiohi !
Good. Now you understand.oh.
trump, the president of the United States, wasn't allowed to do it
gotcha
"Here are some job stats the Democrats don't want you to see:
"Holy. Shit. I thought this was a typo… In just February, 1.2 million immigrants (legal and illegal) gained a job. Meanwhile, 500k native-born Americans LOST their job. Since Covid, native-born workers have actually LOST 2 million jobs. All of the net job gains are immigrants.
"Holy. Shit. I thought this was a typo… In just February, 1.2 million immigrants (legal and illegal) gained a job. Meanwhile, 500k native-born Americans LOST their job. Since Covid, native-born workers have actually LOST 2 million jobs. All of the net job gains are immigrants.
if so…who hires them?
too bad that YOU didn't understand ...
So Hai
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Well here crime has increased by more than 1666 percent since the decision was made to transform my country into a cesspool, so I will try to say this politely. Kindly take your american propaganda for the displacement of my people in our homeland and shove it.
