hey stoneshaper thanks for the complements alot of rain up there now huh? been really dry here in the ozarks been alot of back breaking trips too just so they get plenty of water my Train Wrecks along the river are about 6 ft tall right now they are growing amongst some bamboo along the river so they have to have alot of water also cause of them i will post some pics here pretty soon just kinda holding out on the pics due to their location and thieves as you may know pot thieves are pros these days at robbing folks blind been working alot on the indoor hydo , check out the Train Wreck indoor journal-under indoor soil