Living organic soil from start through recycling

[Cann]

.....lol...they still call it that?

HA...apparently? not sure why...lol

where would one find oyster shell powder down here? called 5 nurseries and 4 hydro stores and nothing so far but confusion. am i more likely to find it at a feed store, nursery, or hydro store? some of the hydro stores down here carry organic items like kelp meal, crab meal, rock dust, etc. so I wouldn't put it past them...but no luck so far.

 

[Gascanastan]

congratZ to mr S on the well "earned" mentor tag!!

Keyword here is 'earned'.

Mr. Sterling actually grows cannabis and knows much about cannabis.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Cann

Agrowinn Minerals (Encinitas, CA)

They have retail stores which handle their products in Riverside, Corona and is probably the one that OC Farm carries.

Think of your cost this way perhaps - let's say that you use 4 cups per 1 c.f. so that's going to be around 2 lbs.

If you pay around $1.00 per lb. then you'll have a couple of bucks for each bag of soil. The question then becomes whether or not you'll get $2.00 of benefit and if you ask others that have implemented these rock dusts into their gardens I feel you'll get positive feedback.

And the rate of 4 cups may not be necessary. That is Gaia Green's recommendation. However, Cascade Minerals suggests using more (much more) - but keep in mind that this is not a fertilizer by any definition. If you plan to 'recycle your soil' (I just love that term!) then you will only need to amend every couple of years - not cycles - years. If that often.

HTH

CC

 

[ClackamasCootz]

HA...apparently? not sure why...lol

where would one find oyster shell powder down here? called 5 nurseries and 4 hydro stores and nothing so far but confusion. am i more likely to find it at a feed store, nursery, or hydro store? some of the hydro stores down here carry organic items like kelp meal, crab meal, rock dust, etc. so I wouldn't put it past them...but no luck so far.

Feed stores. Almost without exception everything that we use in gardens plays a much bigger role in livestock, poultry, swine and even for feeding Tony the Pony.

Oyster shell powder was first mined from San Francisco Bay in the early 1900's for chicken feed. Egg shells are Calcium Carbonate. Calcium is an element. Chickens can't manufacture Calcium in spite of some fishy opinions. You have to feed chickens some form of Calcium to insure strong shells for shipping - oyster shell powder is one form.

Kelp meal - far more kelp is used for livestock than ever hits a soil - maybe 3% as a soil amendment. Maybe.

Alfalfa meal - more like 1% hits a soil. Even Azomite is a feed supplement as well as other rock dusts.

Always hit feed stores first and you'll be way ahead of the deal. Especially in that area - there's still farms & ranches in and around America's Colon so you should be in good shape.

Bert & Squirt at Hydro Heaven still struggle with correctly pronouncing Molybdenum. Don't know what it is but by Gawd they've got sumpin' with it in its sulfate form - 'See - it's right here on the label! Is that like Magnesium?'

Almost Cupcake......

CC

 

[ClackamasCootz]

http://www.hhydro.com/Sunleaves-Soil-Sweetener-20-lb.html
nope, 87.98 is what is says cootz.

KK

Of course it does - I was thinking about something completely different about carbonates or at least Calcium Carbonate - i.e. the elemental Calcium (Ca++) numbers.

CC

 

[Gascanastan]

'recycle your soil' (I just love that term!)

HTH

CC

...what other types of plants ever had to have a soil medium 'thrown away' after only 3 months of supporting a living plant through flowering...

It's crazy that it ever came to needing a term like 'recycled soil'...wtf....there was never a recycled soil paradigm before High Times cannabis-culture.


Like 'cooked'...'flushed'...etc...

 

[Cann]

speaking of Ca++, i have written in my notes that neem meal has around 12% Ca++...is this correct? pretty sure it was somewhere in the 448 pages of madness that is this thread...

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Like 'cooked'...'flushed'...etc...

"I'd rather be baked & douched" - Grace Slick

"Injection is nice but I'd rather be blown" - A.J. Foyt

 

[xmobotx]

you know i have yet to try oyster flour; i get the chicken specific & i actually like the idea that it may be a while before it is readily available

diversifying the 'lime amendments' really woke up coco and benefits a peat grow too

~tl organics {of course}

 

[ClackamasCootz]

speaking of Ca++, i have written in my notes that neem meal has around 12% Ca++...is this correct? pretty sure it was somewhere in the 448 pages of madness that is this thread...

Correct

Now do this - hit Dr. Duke's Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical Databases

Enter an element you're wanting information for and in this database are those plants which accumulate higher numbers of the one you entered.

Try Calcium and see how much concern you should have about these mysterious and mythical Calcium deficiencies. Run a few more elements.

Once you find a plant that you can use, click on the botanical name and a list the major compounds as well as elements will be listed.

LOL

CC

 

[Gascanastan]

"I'd rather be baked & douched" - Grace Slick

"Injection is nice but I'd rather be blown" - A.J. Foyt

..and the ever fitting..."screwed blued and tattooed"


Btw...seeing sprouts 24 hrs later from the coffee bags. Aproximately 1/4 inch tap roots so far.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Seeds definitely seem to sprout faster using cloth vs. glass jars. That's been my limited experience anyway.

Fresher air around the seed?

BTW - I had something called Cherry Pie (Cherry something) from Seattle a couple of days ago. Is that a Seattle strain?

 

[xmobotx]

i found; using my coffe cup and paper towel method; that i had sprouts within the day

suitable for doing the rinse

still kinda wondering about the ferment process {hint; you guys are leaving me in the dark?}

 

[Gascanastan]

Seeds definitely seem to sprout faster using cloth vs. glass jars. That's been my limited experience anyway.

Fresher air around the seed?

BTW - I had something called Cherry Pie (Cherry something) from Seattle a couple of days ago. Is that a Seattle strain?

More air...my anal-ysis as well.

Cherry Pie....definite trend up here...saw some in a bag..unimpressed. Don't worry,I'm polluting the local gene pool with your landrace genetics at an ever increasing rate.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

still kinda wondering about the ferment process {hint; you guys are leaving me in the dark?}

Probably depends on what your goals are - what benefit would you hope to achieve by fermenting proteins?

 

[Gascanastan]

As far as I understand it,correct me if I'm wrong Coot,

You soak the seeds for a # of hours and then rinse away the growth inhibiting enzymes that protect the seed from germinating in conditions not ideal to the sprout.

Next,we place them in a sprouting jar,or as I am trying,the burlap bag.

They sprout,I let them get about a 1/2 inch tail and then basically soak them in water once they have a decent sized tap root.

The sprouts soaking in the water for whatever amount of time seems fitting to room temps,release the enzymes we are after into that water...which we then use.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Cherry Pie....definite trend up here...saw some in a bag..unimpressed

Seemed like pretty standard fare......

 

[ClackamasCootz]

As far as I understand it,correct me if I'm wrong Coot,

That's what I do and I haven't seen anything to make me alter that

 

[DuckDuckGoose]

That's what I do and I haven't seen anything to make me alter that

do you guys bubble the sprouts while they soak?

DDG

 

[ClackamasCootz]

I did/do with the purple barley because that seed really kicks-in on the microbe deal - after a few hours you can have a lot of 'fungi fuzz' in and around the top of the water line in the soaking jar.

Someone with a microscope and the knowledge could have a field day looking at this one......