Living organic soil from start through recycling

[ClackamasCootz]

Gasganastan

Seattle has a very active BBQ scene as in contests, etc. You should hit one some weekend - pretty kewl deal. Old farts sitting around for 3 days drinking beer and smokin' hawg.

Under the 'Kansas City' rules there are 4 categories - ribs, shoulder (aka butts), beef brisket and chicken. Under 'Memphis' rules the whole hog division is added.

The "Smokin' at the Ocean" contest in Lincoln City every July is really nice. It's held in the parking lot of the Chinook Winds Casino right next the beach. Nice weather & great microbrews and food.

CC

 

[IncredibowlBoss]

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[ClackamasCootz]

I looked at Klose and talked to him once. Great rigs if you cook for a crowd.

Mr. Klose is pretty much a God in the BBQ world. Quite a following and his units command high prices but you get what you pay for.

CC

 

[Gascanastan]

Hell yeah...some BBQ pulled pork for lunch would kill...(no pun intended)

 

[ClackamasCootz]

I was the 'rib guy' in our little group - R. Butz R. Smokin'

LMAO

 

[rrog]

Hahahaha!!!

 

[IncredibowlBoss]

Used to have a club called M.E.A.T. - Men Eating Animals Together - no plant-based foods or bevs were permitted - luckily we started brewing mead

 

[ClackamasCootz]

I love good mead......

A couple of the larger breweries in PNW carry mead or at least do so seasonally

 

[unclefishstick]

i had some really excellent mead in amsterdam,it was one of those crazy belgian trappist monk brews,it was on the order of 40 years old,came in a hand painted ceramic top bottle suitably covered in dust

 

[BlueJayWay]

On the topic of reammending - I thought it would be nifty since, most of us, start off with a measured soil mix it would make sense that there could be a measured reamending "ingredient list."

In the process of amending and reamending over and over and over with the same initial base soil mix I've, more or less, come to the conclusion that there are too many variables to have a set and measured reamending ingredient list, as is easily seen by the varying level of greenness etc of plants right next to each other. For example:

How long we're the plants vegged?
How many liquid tea / nutes etc inputs were used and added to the "nutrient value" of the soil?
How many top dressings were used on each plant?
Noted difference of vigor and level of growth between each plants? I.e. certain plants consumed more from its soil

And so on....

Over time this leaves one to learn how to read your plants and guestimate at what it might want added for the next cycle, or what is now lacking in the soil.

Sometimes it's literally nothing, in an overly rich to begin with mix. Sometimes just compost/ewc (I always add equal amounts of aeration amendment along with compost) and other times small amounts of the main amendments I.e. crustacean meal neem meal mineral mix.

I've overamended (significantly LOL) and that called for literally cutting the mix 50/50 with new peat and rice hulls, plants thrived but still showed signs of slightly over rich soil.

Please add or correct as needed. At the the end of the day I suppose it comes down to knowing your plants and maybe even your plants knowing you.. And recognizing what's worked well for you and what hasn't etc etc.

I would like to know from those that have been up to this for awhile - at what point or after how many years have you ever had to start with a completely new mix and send the used stuff out to the yard? How soon have you noticed degradation of soil I.e. breaking down to smaller or too small soil particles?

 

[Gascanastan]

The votes are in...BBQ and beer wins~ Do NOT put cans of beer or BBQ meat in oven...that's for cooking soil.

 

[BlueJayWay]

Some Kansas City Rub sounds goooood right about now, paprika brown sugar onion garlic powder chili powder and a dash of cayenne smothered on some baby backs oh yeaaaa

 

[Gascanastan]

On the topic of reammending - I thought it would be nifty since, most of us, start off with a measured soil mix it would make sense that there could be a measured reamending "ingredient list."

In the process of amending and reamending over and over and over with the same initial base soil mix I've, more or less, come to the conclusion that there are too many variables to have a set and measured reamending ingredient list, as is easily seen by the varying level of greenness etc of plants right next to each other. For example:

How long we're the plants vegged?
How many liquid tea / nutes etc inputs were used and added to the "nutrient value" of the soil?
How many top dressings were used on each plant?
Noted difference of vigor and level of growth between each plants? I.e. certain plants consumed more from its soil

And so on....

Over time this leaves one to learn how to read your plants and guestimate at what it might want added for the next cycle, or what is now lacking in the soil.

Sometimes it's literally nothing, in an overly rich to begin with mix. Sometimes just compost/ewc (I always add equal amounts of aeration amendment along with compost) and other times small amounts of the main amendments I.e. crustacean meal neem meal mineral mix.

I've overamended (significantly LOL) and that called for literally cutting the mix 50/50 with new peat and rice hulls, plants thrived but still showed signs of slightly over rich soil.

Please add or correct as needed. At the the end of the day I suppose it comes down to knowing your plants and maybe even your plants knowing you.. And recognizing what's worked well for you and what hasn't etc etc.

I would like to know from those that have been up to this for awhile - at what point or after how many years have you ever had to start with a completely new mix and send the used stuff out to the yard? How soon have you noticed degradation of soil I.e. breaking down to smaller or too small soil particles?

Good stuff...gimme a minute...or several....right now I just want to get shit faced and pass out with BBQ sauce all over my face......AND I'm occupied contemplating what type of oven I'll need to cook my soil in.

The soil gets better and better. I used to think I was going to see some kind of collapse...after some mind melding with MM we determined that you should be able to keep the soil alive and healthy forever....

The %'s....yeah need a formula of some sort.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

BlueJayWay

Trim the silver from the back of the ribs and then soak them in a brine like this:

1x some fruit juice like apple, orange, guava, whatever
1x some fruit juice like apple, orange, guava, whatever

Definitely get a pH on this mix and write it down a piece of paper!!!

To each gallon of that mix, add 2 tablespoons of good quality salt which means no Morton's

Soak the ribs for at least 12 hours - 24 is better. Remove, pat dry with a clean towel (you also want to pH this material as well - no sense courting complete disaster, eh?

Then do your own thing as far as the rub and whatever else you like doing. The enzymes in the fruit juices will break down some of the tougher tissues and the collagen which means more flavor. The juices do very little to the flavor of the meat as weird as that sounds but maybe it's the salt?

The piece of paper with the pH information? Use that to light the smoker......

CC

 

[Gascanastan]

Possibly one of the best pieces of advice ever offered Coot.

 

[Gascanastan]

Blue Jay

I have let the indoor ROLS take a rest. It seems I really push it for all it can be..sometimes I feel this takes it beyond normal natural processes.
So my thought was,maybe allow it to sit in a place where the correct amount water and air can get at it for a cycle or few while I use the back up batch for a few cycles..which is the exact same soil.

Just to let it rest ya know....a vacation.

 

[shmalphy]

Organic farmers never replace their soil, but they do use crop rotation to avoid depletion. Using a nitrifying cover crop like clover helps avoid the problems associated with mono cropping. The farm i worked at was leaving some fields fallow between crops, so the "resting" idea does get used "in the real world" if you will.

 

[Gascanastan]

Organic farmers never replace their soil, but they do use crop rotation to avoid depletion. Using a nitrifying cover crop like clover helps avoid the problems associated with mono cropping. The farm i worked at was leaving some fields fallow between crops, so the "resting" idea does get used "in the real world" if you will.

....absolutely,might not be a bad idea to actually tend the resting soil with cover crops in a bed until ready for use again...why not.

 

[YosemiteSam]

BlueJayWay

Trim the silver from the back of the ribs and then soak them in a brine like this:

1x some fruit juice like apple, orange, guava, whatever
1x some fruit juice like apple, orange, guava, whatever

Definitely get a pH on this mix and write it down a piece of paper!!!

To each gallon of that mix, add 2 tablespoons of good quality salt which means no Morton's

Soak the ribs for at least 12 hours - 24 is better. Remove, pat dry with a clean towel (you also want to pH this material as well - no sense courting complete disaster, eh?

Then do your own thing as far as the rub and whatever else you like doing. The enzymes in the fruit juices will break down some of the tougher tissues and the collagen which means more flavor. The juices do very little to the flavor of the meat as weird as that sounds but maybe it's the salt?

The piece of paper with the pH information? Use that to light the smoker......

CC

You make me laugh out loud with that pH shit

But in the end it may drive away people. Gotta stay positive if you really want the flock to grow.

That enzyme stuff may be the best growing tip I ever got...period. But if we want it to reach people the message needs to be...in the words of W...kinder and gentler.

Or not...not everyone deserves to find the true path.

 

[Gascanastan]

You make me laugh out loud with that pH shit

But in the end it may drive away people. Gotta stay positive if you really want the flock to grow.

That enzyme stuff may be the best growing tip I ever got...period. But if we want it to reach people the message needs to be...in the words of W...kinder and gentler.

Or not...not everyone deserves to find the true path.

Not everyone will agree with or like what people say all the time....that's hard act to balance....maybe that's what it takes to be a politician.

"You're either on the bus..or off the bus" Ken Kesey

We used to be much kinder a couple years ago.....I think it's just a matter of the bus is rollin'...got you're ticket?...NO?...oh,you'll have to step off sir....this train is bound for glory...one way or another

I'll be a nice guy right now.....in fact if you do know me you'll know I'm nice anyway...unless shat upon.

Hey folks,sorry for being a smart ass and ridiculing predators and dumb shits that pop into my movie...have a great dinner and tell your kids you love them.

Peace and Compost to you all~