Legalize MJ ! Really? No I mean REALLY?

[cannabudz]

The California Cannabis Scene needs to be Purged.. The old time farmers will survive, because they have done so before prop 215 and the DEA.. Maybe the Old time farmers see all this "New Jack City farmer" action happening around what was once considered a lax and calm way of life(style). All these wagon jumpers looking to make a few more bucks from a community; Now that their Finance, Speculator, Home Improvement specialist Jobs took a shit with the economy. So now those SUV, Tax hiding, Government insentive using, pieces of shit humans are looking to the Cannabis plant to try and fill the enormous gap left by their huge egos. After years and years of the Cannabis community taking lashing after lashing from this public, the very same public that now wants to make a quick buck on it, and people think that is okay?.. Where are the morals?.. Ethics even..?
I have been friends with this family for over 20 years.. I smoke pot, they do not. None of them do. So every time i go to a party with them, they drink and make fun of my smoking, telling me its bad for me and illegal.. After putting up with their harassment for 20 years they now want to grow it "medically" to sell to Co-ops.. JFC!... i've never wanted to tear someones face off so much before...!.. This person strait up lied to get the doctor note, and their first question to me was "how do i steal power"! seriously!? I told them i never steal, cannabis is too close to karma to do that... They didnt understand... /sigh.. People have no sense of right and wrong anymore, or they simply dont give a shit about anyone but themselves. And how can you teach these people if they dont even have self respect..?.. /sigh..
I for one thought about a year ago, that it is time to separate from the new cannabis scene... All the home invasions, gang related grows, and general bad identity being associated with cannabis (thanks WEEDS) so i told almost everyone I knew that i was slowing down if not quitting all together. So I'll be sitting here stirring my genetics giving samples to family to test and keep it secret and safe.. Once the wild wild west attitude dies down on both sides (law / people) I will hopefully have another outstanding specimen to bring to the table.. Until that time comes, i'll be here in my tree having some tea with Piglet...

Cannabudz.

 

[grapeman]

I know the election is long past, but I couldn't help but post a prime example of the original intention of the thread. Once you look to the government to verify & legalize your work and your life, you get stupid regulations that become unbearable to deal with.

See here. In Oakland no less.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/04/01/MNE81INHVU.DTL

 

[dagnabit]

better than a 5 year minimum mandatory sentence for the same garden wouldn't you think?

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^yes, i do think that is so dag.

I can't believe this argument is still going. It boiled down too, pot should be legal for the purpose of civil rights, and that any step that involves removing prison sentences is a good one and that California is fucking stupid for voting no.

 

[grapeman]

better than a 5 year minimum mandatory sentence for the same garden wouldn't you think?

You' been pretty much a broken record on this account. Better then this (going to jail) or better then that (5 year sentence), but never an intelligent comment on the original intent of the thread which was, as you know, on how much more fucked up things will get once the government gets involved.

I guess it's difficult for you to grasp.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

ummmmm.....

ummmmm.....

You' been pretty much a broken record on this account. Better then this (going to jail) or better then that (5 year sentence), but never an intelligent comment on the original intent of the thread which was, as you know, on how much more fucked up things will get once the government gets involved.

I guess it's difficult for you to grasp.

Oh Bull shit!

it is already as fucked up as it can get. armed men can legally kick in your door shoot your dog, taze you, steal your shit, and then throw you in prison over a plant. Then strip you of your rights afterwords, and label you a fellon assuring that they get to turn you into a physical labor slave. I would say the only way it could get worse is if you add the death penalty for cultivation. actually that might be more humane.

I welcome the opportunity to pay for a license and have a legal business, and have to follow some guide lines if means I can avoid prison and save my sweet virgin ass. lol

 

[pinecone]

I know the election is long past, but I couldn't help but post a prime example of the original intention of the thread. Once you look to the government to verify & legalize your work and your life, you get stupid regulations that become unbearable to deal with.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/04/01/MNE81INHVU.DTL

You don't believe in any sort of zoning?

Her farm is in a residential neighborhood. From the piece it seems like farming is allowed in residential zoned areas, but that a "farm store" cannot be operated without a conditional use permit (CUP). The CUP will allow the city to assess the impact of the farm store on neighbors and will allow for property owners who are affected to have input. Someone has to pay for this process. It only makes sense that it is the person or entity that wants the special use pay.

Pine

 

[dagnabit]

Oh Bull shit!

it is already as fucked up as it can get. armed men can legally kick in your door shoot your dog, taze you, steal your shit, and then throw you in prison over a plant. Then strip you of your rights afterwords, and label you a fellon assuring that they get to turn you into a physical labor slave. I would say the only way it could get worse is if you add the death penalty for cultivation. actually that might be more humane.

I welcome the opportunity to pay for a license and have a legal business, and have to follow some guide lines if means I can avoid prison and save my sweet virgin ass. lol

he will never concede this point...
he will tell you it's somehow not relevant to the topic at hand.
i've explained we have the strictest form of regulation possible and the government IS involved.
but grapey is a little to proud to admit prohibition IS regulation...

 

[grapeman]

he will never concede this point...
he will tell you it's somehow not relevant to the topic at hand.
i've explained we have the strictest form of regulation possible and the government IS involved.
but grapey is a little to proud to admit prohibition IS regulation...

It's like parallel universes. I discuss, with far more knowledge then you are anyone else here the bullshit difficulties that are government regulations in ag or food products, and your responses are always the same. Never once addressing the OT of the thread, which is government regulation.

BTW, I don't see people going to jail much anymore for growing their own product. It ain't happening out here in CA.

 

[gdtrfb]

currently, the government regulation i deal with is - if i'm found, i'm fucked.

it might well be parallel universes, but the one i inhabit...dealing with regulations on zoning instead of swat teams sounds like a fucking dreamworld.

 

[dagnabit]

It's like parallel universes. I discuss, with far more knowledge then you are anyone else here the bullshit difficulties that are government regulations in ag or food products, and your responses are always the same. Never once addressing the OT of the thread, which is government regulation.

BTW, I don't see people going to jail much anymore for growing their own product. It ain't happening out here in CA.

I have addressed the OT multiple times in every post.
I long wholeheartedly for the day when zoning issues are the problem a cultivator faces as opposed to the current regulatory structure of prohibition!
You just don't like the position so you obfuscate with trying to say the current regulatory system is irrelevant to a hypothetical future regulation.
You fail to recognize that for the agencies listed in your OP to regulate cannabis would mean the current regulatory standard of prohibition would be abolished.

As for your mention of personal producers the comparison is a fallacy in that most personal producers of any consumable do not fall under the thumb of the regulatory agencies your OP bemoans.

 

[Greenwich Pope]

currently, the government regulation i deal with is - if i'm found, i'm fucked.

it might well be parallel universes, but the one i inhabit...dealing with regulations on zoning instead of swat teams sounds like a fucking dreamworld.

Amen.
I'm caught in the middle, if I get caught i'm screwed, if the gubment gets involved i'm screwed without the pound u in the ass option.

lose/lose

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

It's like parallel universes. I discuss, with far more knowledge then you are anyone else here the bullshit difficulties that are government regulations in ag or food products, and your responses are always the same. Never once addressing the OT of the thread, which is government regulation.

BTW, I don't see people going to jail much anymore for growing their own product. It ain't happening out here in CA.

Just the fact that you think you have more knowledge than every one here just proves dag's point.

He who knows everything knows nothing at all

 

[grapeman]

Just the fact that you think you have more knowledge than every one here just proves dag's point.

He who knows everything knows nothing at all

Easy to say.

As the woman who found out she cannot sell her left over vegies found out, you will also.

Irrelevant to me either way since I highly doubt you will admit, some time in the future, that I am right.

But the fact still remains, I do know more about this then you or anyone else that has posted.

 

[dagnabit]

logical debate fallacy:

Argument From Authority:
the claim that the speaker is an expert, and so should be trusted.

There are degrees and areas of expertise. The speaker is actually claiming to be more expert, in the relevant subject area, than anyone else in the room. There is also an implied claim that expertise in the area is worth having. For example, claiming expertise in something hopelessly quack (like iridology) is actually an admission that the speaker is gullible.

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#false_expert

try again sport..
the current status of regulation IS perfectly relevant to the hypothetical regulatory scheme in a legal market.
i prefer the lessened regulation of legalization to the extreme regulation of prohibition.
is it your supposition that a legal regulatory structure will be somehow more oppressive than current regulation?

 

[decarboxylator]

OMG is this the level of discourse on legalization now? between two grown men? One guy with ?s and the other with "I know more than you...". Even if that's true (snort) I hardly think this makes either side incorrect. Both sides here have valid points, and an inability to take on outside perspective.

YES, we the cannabis growers have become accustomed to a seriously profitable black market. YES, it's great for many of us, we don't have to answer to anyone but mary jane (sometimes wives, lol)! Let's be honest, many of us choose growing over (or in addition to) careers for financial (and freedom, need for weed ect) reasons. Just about any shmuck can make it in the weed game. Get some good soil, some lights, some seeds, add water, BAM great weed. And since you are breaking the law to grow one of the most seductive natural products ever... sold at an incredibly high price.

YES, recreational legalization and America's effed up version of (over)regulation will change the game considerably. For the worse from many of our perspectives. For the better from others. The growers versus the custies, or something. LOL I have panic attacks over it haha. jk

YES, it needs to happen anyways. Joining the system isn't a transfer, we hand it all over, unless we choose to stay black market, many will.

YES, it will open to door to who knows what sort of atrocities, from the perspective of someone who values and cherishes the relatively uncorrupted genetics, jobs, and independence that comes from the giant cannabis black market industry. Cannabis is currently growing illegally by tens of thousands of... people like you and I.

But to deny others the legal right to smoke Cannabis recreationally, using the justification of saving the grower's (or gene pool, or whatever the list goes on depending who you talk to) isn't really what the cannabis community in general is about. I'm torn personally. flame on

ps. Please, for everyone's sake, ingest some cannabinoids. Thank you.

 

[Hydrosun]

Easy to say.

As the woman who found out she cannot sell her left over vegies found out, you will also.

Irrelevant to me either way since I highly doubt you will admit, some time in the future, that I am right.

But the fact still remains, I do know more about this then you or anyone else that has posted.

Ok 50+ pages later what are the top three things you are right about?

I can't read this whole thread, but I can say this.

1. HZ if he has extra vegetables won't give up his virgin ass like you said that woman did.

2. Dag is an angry cuss and you'd never want him around your virgin ass, and his focus on current reality will always be relevant because it is by definition the CURRENT effects of laws as ENFORCED not as written.

3. Cannabis is a plant and if we humans want to grow it and share it or not it is NO FUCKING BUSINESS OF GOVERNMENT, the right is ours. Commercial distribution should be regulated by the by-product of the constitution's interstate commerce clause like any other product. HOWEVER commerce always finds the most profitable streams of commerce, legal or otherwise. Money is green it doesn't give a shit about any one's Black and White.

 

[TruthOrLie]

a bunch of charlie sheens in here?

 

[dagnabit]

<<<
deflowerer of virgin azzez!!!

hide yo sheeps yo!!!

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Easy to say.

As the woman who found out she cannot sell her left over vegies found out, you will also.

Irrelevant to me either way since I highly doubt you will admit, some time in the future, that I am right.

But the fact still remains, I do know more about this then you or anyone else that has posted.

Are you kidding man. That woman gets a fine if she gets caught selling hers. If I sell my extra veggies I get the whole experience of the legal system, and prison, and life as a felon afterwords. It would cost me way more than any license or taxes ever would! There is no way that you can convince an intelligent person that we are better off leaving cultivation as a felony.

As much as I would like it all to be as legal as a breathing air, I realize that won't happen and facing reality means growing up and compromising a little. Their is no such thing as "all or nothing" the corrupt world of politics and big business. You just gotta learn how to compete and not rely on black market price inflation to keep you afloat. Successful business men must be adaptable.

50+ pages later what are the top three things you are right about?

I can't read this whole thread, but I can say this.

1. HZ if he has extra vegetables won't give up his virgin ass like you said that woman did.

2. Dag is an angry cuss and you'd never want him around your virgin ass, and his focus on current reality will always be relevant because it is by definition the CURRENT effects of laws as ENFORCED not as written.

3. Cannabis is a plant and if we humans want to grow it and share it or not it is NO FUCKING BUSINESS OF GOVERNMENT, the right is ours. Commercial distribution should be regulated by the by-product of the constitution's interstate commerce clause like any other product. HOWEVER commerce always finds the most profitable streams of commerce, legal or otherwise. Money is green it doesn't give a shit about any one's Black and White.

<<<
deflowerer of virgin azzez!!!

hide yo sheeps yo!!!

^ROFL! this was maybe the funniest response I have ever seen on IC mag. DAG FTW!