What's the deal here? I hadn't heard about that, but it sure looks like snake oil and bullshit has invaded my favorite manufacturer.
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What's the deal here? I hadn't heard about that, but it sure looks like snake oil and bullshit has invaded my favorite manufacturer.
Phychotron
Member
I decided to pick up 2 25x3w eShine LED lights to flank my ES330. I should have went with 2 165sDoesn't look like the Pro model helps with the footprint either.
according to Advanced LED (blog.advancedledlights.com) eShine are imitating the Diamond series and making garbage. They also claim that eShine does not honor their warranty.
How does yours work so far?
yeah..smells like BS.. I mean technically I guess the first image where they claim that the coverage is 36 Sq Ft. (6x6) is plausible but then again, we don't want out plants .....just to survive.......but rather to thrive.
You could put an HO T5 into a 6x6 and the plants would live too but that's about all...they can always claim that as a defence.......as I sit here an play Devil's Advocate...
In our world of pushing envelopes though,,, have to fully agree with the 100% BS.....
You could put an HO T5 into a 6x6 and the plants would live too but that's about all...they can always claim that as a defence.......as I sit here an play Devil's Advocate...
In our world of pushing envelopes though,,, have to fully agree with the 100% BS.....
LeeROI
Member
LumiGrow Closes Series A Funding from Clean Pacific Ventures
http://www.lumigrow.com/lumigrow-closes-series-a-funding-from-clean-pacific-ventures/
Edit: hmm, I thought I read a newer announcement earlier this year.
oneshot
Active member
uhhhh what? eShine is their supplier.
hello oneshot,
I'm a bit confused about where can I find your grow report using an eshine led?
it still seems they are the best bang for the buck as well as the most standard tech until now...
thanks!
peace
I'm a bit confused about where can I find your grow report using an eshine led?
it still seems they are the best bang for the buck as well as the most standard tech until now...
thanks!
peace
Phychotron
Member
Phychotron
Member
how do you know that?
through inquires to other people who have nothing to gain by lying..
When 4 other manufacturers say that Advanced used to get their lights from Eshine and then Ivy Shine is fuming mad about the blog and is threatening legal action...there just might be some truth to Eshine being their supplier at one time....but I know you're not going to believe me so do your own research.
I honestly don't care and I've got nothing to gain either. I know you're a big advocate of Advanced and if you're happy with them, then all the power to you. I just know that behaving in a slanderous manner has never done anyone any good...just ask Cammie Mckenzie over at HGL. She used to buy from Bysen (Baisheng) and when they didn't want to drop their prices any lower for her...she moved on also...now she buys from someone else but again...no one believes that either..
Phychotron
Member
Just because someone has nothing to gain by lying doesn't mean they cant be wrong, or pass on a lie they believe. The more I look at the two the more it looks less like eshine. Since you've done so much research, maybe you could point me toward the evidence that those sources are quoting? All I've found is message boards and blogs that speculate between the connection.
Where are you getting this info about legal action, and what is happening exactly?
nothing I nor anyone else says will convince you or anyone else of anything..........so I'm done...find out yourself...
It's a little thing called 'Social Engineering'.
oneshot
Active member
Phychotron
Member
Social engineering has nothing to do with it. Your making claims with no support of your evidence other than 'you heard.' Fuck, now I've heard, but that doesn't make it true. You could convince me if you said something more than "i cant support my claims and dont want to try." Maybe because no actual evidence exists other than what is tossed around on message boards. If you have definitive proof that eShine IS or WAS with Advanced then you should have no problem furnishing that. You had to learn it somewhere. If your going to be spreading a 'fact' you should at least know where it comes from. It doesn't matter how confidently you believe someone if they are wrong to begin with. Its how rumors get started.
My problem is that you seem too well informed to actually be informed. Usually when one person has information that no one else seems to possess then it starts looking like that one person is confidently bullshitting you-- a sort of arrogance in passing on their know-it-all experience at any cost; even being flat wrong.
S
Squiip
"E.shine Systems - Declaration Oct 16, 2012
Declaration for Advancedledlights link
(http://blog.advancedledlights.com/uncategorized/eshine-systems-led-buyer-beware/)
Dear buyers, if you have read the above link, or will read it someday, please trust us that it is a shabby trick advancedledlights plays on business competition.
E.shine Systems is the original manufacturer of Diamond Series LED Grow Light, as well as the only seller in 2010, Eshine Systems developed 3G LED Grow Light in June, 2010 and Advancedledlights bought 3G LED grow lights from Eshine Systems when E.shine released the first bulk of 3G series. After tests, advancedledlights signed the agreement as E.shine’s sole agent of US market. E.shine has all their purchasing and shipments’ records if someone wants them for proofs.
E.shine Systems makes their lights in good quality with dedicated service. They invested much in design, development, test etc. on their new series lights, they rate their prices reasonably. Advancedledlights always complained the prices, claiming they did not have profit based on E.shine’ pricing. In 2012, advancedledlights found another Chinese company to copy E.shine’s 3G products with lower prices, then stopped cooperation with E.shine.
Advancedledlight kept to warn E.shine Systems not to sell the same lights to others, E.shine did so in a long term even cooperation was over. But how can advancedledlights buy cheap lights elsewhere, then sell huge cost to cheat users, even not allow E.shine to do a fair thing? We have many buyers requiring the same lights every day, they don’t want to buy from advancedledlights, cause they can’t spend so much on a cheap cost light. How can advancedledlights buy from another company, but E.shine can’t sell to others? Cooperation was over, and it was advancedledlight who broke the agreement, so of course E.shine can sell to other buyers. Why not?
Advancedledlights started to lose buyers and credibility because E.shine began to sell the lights, they can’t accept this because they get less money. They face problem of lowing prices or reducing sales. Advancedledlights came to warn E.shine times again not to sell the lights, after did not get a deal, they put what the link says on their website. IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT TRUER.
Dear buyers, please see the truth clearly, it is nothing about lights, it is all about money. So, please find your right way to go with.
Good luck!"
http://www.eshinesystems.com/declaration.html
Declaration for Advancedledlights link
(http://blog.advancedledlights.com/uncategorized/eshine-systems-led-buyer-beware/)
Dear buyers, if you have read the above link, or will read it someday, please trust us that it is a shabby trick advancedledlights plays on business competition.
E.shine Systems is the original manufacturer of Diamond Series LED Grow Light, as well as the only seller in 2010, Eshine Systems developed 3G LED Grow Light in June, 2010 and Advancedledlights bought 3G LED grow lights from Eshine Systems when E.shine released the first bulk of 3G series. After tests, advancedledlights signed the agreement as E.shine’s sole agent of US market. E.shine has all their purchasing and shipments’ records if someone wants them for proofs.
E.shine Systems makes their lights in good quality with dedicated service. They invested much in design, development, test etc. on their new series lights, they rate their prices reasonably. Advancedledlights always complained the prices, claiming they did not have profit based on E.shine’ pricing. In 2012, advancedledlights found another Chinese company to copy E.shine’s 3G products with lower prices, then stopped cooperation with E.shine.
Advancedledlight kept to warn E.shine Systems not to sell the same lights to others, E.shine did so in a long term even cooperation was over. But how can advancedledlights buy cheap lights elsewhere, then sell huge cost to cheat users, even not allow E.shine to do a fair thing? We have many buyers requiring the same lights every day, they don’t want to buy from advancedledlights, cause they can’t spend so much on a cheap cost light. How can advancedledlights buy from another company, but E.shine can’t sell to others? Cooperation was over, and it was advancedledlight who broke the agreement, so of course E.shine can sell to other buyers. Why not?
Advancedledlights started to lose buyers and credibility because E.shine began to sell the lights, they can’t accept this because they get less money. They face problem of lowing prices or reducing sales. Advancedledlights came to warn E.shine times again not to sell the lights, after did not get a deal, they put what the link says on their website. IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT TRUER.
Dear buyers, please see the truth clearly, it is nothing about lights, it is all about money. So, please find your right way to go with.
Good luck!"
http://www.eshinesystems.com/declaration.html
BOOYAAAAAAAA..........thank you eshine....LOL
HEY PHYCHOTRON!!!!!!!!!! there's your fucking proof...............you can ask Eshine for the records...It wasn't my place to say that but since they've come out with it...ask them...go ahead!!!!!!!! ROFL....
where are you now mouth?!?!?
Does anyone have a picture of the inside of an advanced led grow light?
Phychotron
Member
I find it odd that they bought the lights in summer 2010 but didn't reveal them until summer 2011.
http://web.archive.org/web/20110512211906/http://www.advancedledlights.com/ a may 12 2011 image of their website, no diamond series yet. They do have a few other funked up looking lights that are not the extreme flower or diamond series.
