Lacto Bacilli: process and discussion
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The yogurt was mostly floating till I moved it. It was bubbles of gas keeping it up there before, but a little shake and they all rose to the surface, allowing the yogurt to sink.
One or two more days should be perfect timing. More rain on the way, so that should help to wash the LB deep into the soil, and keep the conditions moist so it can multiply some more. Does that logic make sense?
I'm also thinking it might be a good idea to water the soil with molasses a couple of days later, which should feed the LB (and everything else). By that time the EM-A should be close to done!
One or two more days should be perfect timing. More rain on the way, so that should help to wash the LB deep into the soil, and keep the conditions moist so it can multiply some more. Does that logic make sense?
I'm also thinking it might be a good idea to water the soil with molasses a couple of days later, which should feed the LB (and everything else). By that time the EM-A should be close to done!
Jaykush
My experiments with using a number of sources of lactobacillus has proven to be quite a bit of fun. I haven't used sourkraut (yet) but all of the other fermented products (including Korean kimchee) have shown the ability to create fermented cultures with ease.
I have several links on this subject but unfortunately they're on another cannabis board and I don't know what the rules on this board with regard to linking to them. Having said that, a couple of posters on this specific thread have really done their homework and their results are interesting and worthy of further experimentation.
The fermented bamboo shoots that I used actually caused the plastic bottle I was using to make the BIM literally exploded - big time. Too much too quickly I'm thinking.
Interesting process indeed.
CC
Add unpasteurized miso to the list of lactobacillus inoculants that will make your fermenting bottle explode rather quickly. Maybe less is really best on some of these agents, eh? LOL
CC
CC
seems like a good idea to me to apply mollases neongreen. It will get other things going as well as the LB, like u say. One thing i have noticed since applying a fair amount of mollasses to my garden is that soon after i noticed ants (just possible they were already there though). They became a serious problem for one apple tree in particular, and my runner beans. They were "farming" green aphids on the apple and black ones on the runner beans. They harvest the sweet secretions from the aphids as the aphids suck the precious enrgy out of my plants. i mixed up a concoction of sugar and borax last night and im hoping the ants take the bait.
I almost have a large bucket of kitchen food scraps full and its fermenting away beautifully. I really want to get that organic matter into the soil to really get the LBs going and everything else. I am fully expecting to have the best soil ive ever had in my garden. for anyone in the uk tesco are doing a great deal on a twin pair of bokashi buckets. once the bran it comes with runs out you can do the homemade culture and ferment and dry newspaper or woodchip or there must be some other good ideas.
I was reading another forum but i would have to study my browser history to pull it up, which i cant be bothered to, but there is this indonesian farmer who has written a little booklet on culturing indigenous microorganisms but all links to it are now dead. One of his methods mentionned in the forum however is to use innoculants like the most healthy soil in your area - like a nearby forest, and the soil from under the healthiest tree!. now that is forward thinking! I think he may have been placing his starters in these places, or taking that soil home and adding it to the rice starter? Really interesting stuff and if anyone's interested ill try to find out more.
I almost have a large bucket of kitchen food scraps full and its fermenting away beautifully. I really want to get that organic matter into the soil to really get the LBs going and everything else. I am fully expecting to have the best soil ive ever had in my garden. for anyone in the uk tesco are doing a great deal on a twin pair of bokashi buckets. once the bran it comes with runs out you can do the homemade culture and ferment and dry newspaper or woodchip or there must be some other good ideas.
I was reading another forum but i would have to study my browser history to pull it up, which i cant be bothered to, but there is this indonesian farmer who has written a little booklet on culturing indigenous microorganisms but all links to it are now dead. One of his methods mentionned in the forum however is to use innoculants like the most healthy soil in your area - like a nearby forest, and the soil from under the healthiest tree!. now that is forward thinking! I think he may have been placing his starters in these places, or taking that soil home and adding it to the rice starter? Really interesting stuff and if anyone's interested ill try to find out more.
coot, welcome to the list of people who have had bottles explode on them, me literally. i thought i mentioned..... DO NOT SEAL BOTTLES OF MICRO ORGANISMS! or you can also possibly add yourself to the list haha.
dirty you are probly thinking of gil carandang, and the culture your thinking is beneficial indigenous micro organisms. or BIM for short.
dirty you are probly thinking of gil carandang, and the culture your thinking is beneficial indigenous micro organisms. or BIM for short.
I think I'll add some rock dust too. That should minimize the ant interest! There are some fermented plant extracts I noticed that are supposed to be good against ants, so I'm not going to worry about them too much!
My first application of a BIM which included neem seed meal in an attempt to (hopefully) find a fix for spider mites was applied to another medical grower's garden which is heavily infested with mites this afternoon.
I'll post the results in a couple of days. "We'll see" as the expression goes.
I'll post the results in a couple of days. "We'll see" as the expression goes.
surfer rosa
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Do you mind going into a little more detail on the process you used to culture this stuff? I'm especially interested in how you used kimchee and miso. Maybe you can pm me some of the links on the net where I can read up on this stuff?
Do you mind going into a little more detail on the process you used to culture this stuff? I'm especially interested in how you used kimchee and miso. Maybe you can pm me some of the links on the net where I can read up on this stuff?
well i was talking about ant and aphid problems earlier - and look what i have found! a tasty recipe that has me salivating already, haha. taken from http://idigmygarden.com/forums/showthread.php?p=298392 post 56
I suppose we can just substitue EM for the homemade LB serum. those fucking ants and aphids are gonna get it!
Nettle tea. Awesome.
I used LB to get rid of real bad stink from my fishtank. Dont use fish emulsion to try and feed aquatic plants...
Took about 5 days and smells fresh as a daisy now. Sweet.
I used LB to get rid of real bad stink from my fishtank. Dont use fish emulsion to try and feed aquatic plants...
Took about 5 days and smells fresh as a daisy now. Sweet.
I have all the stuff here to make EM-5 now. The only problem I see is this:
http://www.emshop.co.nz/fermentation-production/how-to-make-em-5
Thats going to mean setting up a water bath. Luckily, I think I have a small aquarium heater around here somewhere!
As for the LB, I sprayed the plants and soil with it yesterday...
I also neglected to dilute it properly. I used 2 tbs neat culture in 3/4 of a gallon of water. The recommended amount of molasses seemed a little much at the time, so I went with what I normally use for CT brewing (1-2 tsp) luckily lol.
If I'm not mistaken, that's 20x the recommended dose. I guess my plants/soil are well and truly inoculated now!
Kaneh
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OK...
My first LB-farm hasbeen in milk only a day and it allready looks like it's done!
There's thick (2 cm) layer of whitestuff on top of liquid. Smells like feta cheese!
I have 2 liters of organic milk in very wide plastic container.
They probably grow faster in organic, or maybe wide container is good for microbes. (Or both.)
I allready took little of it to put in my smelly nettle-tea. I smell it again tomorrow to see if it worked.
It seems there's tons of different ways of making LB.
There's also lots of different types on LB.
Does anybody know if you can produce different type of LB with different methods, or does it always come from air, meaning you always have the same type of LB from your local environment?
My first LB-farm hasbeen in milk only a day and it allready looks like it's done!
There's thick (2 cm) layer of whitestuff on top of liquid. Smells like feta cheese!
I have 2 liters of organic milk in very wide plastic container.
They probably grow faster in organic, or maybe wide container is good for microbes. (Or both.)
I allready took little of it to put in my smelly nettle-tea. I smell it again tomorrow to see if it worked.
It seems there's tons of different ways of making LB.
There's also lots of different types on LB.
Does anybody know if you can produce different type of LB with different methods, or does it always come from air, meaning you always have the same type of LB from your local environment?
kaneh, sometimes the milk seperates quite fast, but when looking in a microscope you can see the brew is not to full potential. i usually wait 2 days after i see it seperate and there is a nice yellow liquid.
the nettle brew, give it a few days, its not instant, they have to multiply like crazy at first
the nettle brew, give it a few days, its not instant, they have to multiply like crazy at first
S
spiral
Hello everyone. So ive been using LB for awhile now, and I just love this stuff. So many uses. Lately been wondering something. I see alot of people using EM, from what Ive read this stuffs amazing. So did some reaserch on the microbes in it, and basically there all pretty common.
Em america lists three strains of lact b, which we should have covered with the stuff were makin here.
Saccharomyces cerevisiae - basically, wine/ bread yeast
Rhodopseudomonas palustris - photosynthetic bacteria, which can been gotten from soil
Bacillus subtilis - commnly found in soils also.
So, say we gathered up some good soils, and made some BIMs, brewed up the yeast, and added them to the Lacto B.
Do you think this would work as "ghetto" EM.
I'd buy the stuff but seriously the shipping costs more than the bottle.
Also since Ive been using LB my 3/8" dowel rod stakes have been rotting out pretty much completely below the soil line, usually by week six. Never had this happen before when using just compost teas. Water with LB once a week 2-4 TBS./ gal.
Em america lists three strains of lact b, which we should have covered with the stuff were makin here.
Saccharomyces cerevisiae - basically, wine/ bread yeast
Rhodopseudomonas palustris - photosynthetic bacteria, which can been gotten from soil
Bacillus subtilis - commnly found in soils also.
So, say we gathered up some good soils, and made some BIMs, brewed up the yeast, and added them to the Lacto B.
Do you think this would work as "ghetto" EM.
I'd buy the stuff but seriously the shipping costs more than the bottle.
Also since Ive been using LB my 3/8" dowel rod stakes have been rotting out pretty much completely below the soil line, usually by week six. Never had this happen before when using just compost teas. Water with LB once a week 2-4 TBS./ gal.
S
spiral
I foliar spray with FPEs and use LB to ferment them, so Im guessing its in there.
Stinging nettles, and pea plants in veg.
Alfalfa sprouts, and fermented kelp meal the first two weeks of flower.
Works like a charm.
Stinging nettles, and pea plants in veg.
Alfalfa sprouts, and fermented kelp meal the first two weeks of flower.
Works like a charm.
