Now I'm hyper-ventilating! That is funny!
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have 30 yr+ stoner girls that test cant tell difference between same cut grown w/ gh floran nova bllom+kool bloom+floralicious+other chem additives vs. cut grown w/ only myco tab (added @ transplant, under root), and fed only molasses. no difference between the two, as far as quality goes.
You are discussing conventional chemical farming here and not organics.
Microbemanthe more you grow, the more you will realize that every watering is a flush to some degree
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See what you need to learn to be a cannabis grower? All your other work in the field of organic growing is just so much phooey! Better alert the folks over at Soil Food Web, the Yahoo compost tea group, et al. - your education is lacking!
"Flush, flush that plant!
Flush, flush that plant to death!"
BTW - What does nitrogen taste like? Should I be flushing my strawberries and tomatoes out in the garden?
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Excess nutrients organic or non organic make bud taste bitter and burn terribly
and i apologize to microbeman
it is not my intention to insult your ability of growing by the "the more you grow, the more..." part in my last post
we're actually talking about organic products like you find in a growstore. the stuff that helps mj is the same stuff that helps thousands of other similar plants. I went to a grow store (with "organic" in the name) for the first time this year, and I was amazed. The actual growing supplies were reasonable (I got a big bag of coarse perlite), but they had this whole big section of "organic" bottled nutes you would never see in a garden center or specialty greenhouse supply.
He asked me what nutes I used, and I said I just amend the soil with good ingredients and use teas. After trying to sell me superthrive, he tried to sell me a bottle of "worm tea", some kind of bottled product that sits on the shelf for months. I was blown away. How can this kind of business survive?
stated that plants cant tell difference between chem and organic electrical charges.
you have only described how the charges are 'applied'; not how the plant can/cant discriminate between a chem vs. 'organic' charge.
technically speaking, a company can simply bond a carbon atom to the chem molecule and term it 'organic', as organic chemistry only adds that carbon atom
have 30 yr+ stoner girls that test cant tell difference between same cut grown w/ gh floran nova bllom+kool bloom+floralicious+other chem additives vs. cut grown w/ only myco tab (added @ transplant, under root), and fed only molasses. no difference between the two, as far as quality goes.
nearly impossible to tell difference between chem/organic grown by master grower... gardeneing skill the real variable in drawing bright-line relevant to using chem/org
really boils down to preference of growing method.
a master gardener can+will produce superior fruit - whatever ferts thay have available.
it is the gardener that has the discrimination to apply @ certain times, adjust ph, alter temps, keep rh low, etc., etc.
This is basically my 'comeback' to anyone that says flushing is necessary in organics. For my first real organic grow I ended up picking REALLY green plants, my buddy said don't worry and sure enough turned out sweet and smooth and way batter than any other stuff I had grown which I flushed 'properly'. Organics rocks plain and simple.BTW - What does nitrogen taste like? Should I be flushing my strawberries and tomatoes out in the garden?
did not intend to be inflammatory in thread. usually dont post in organic soil forum.Mistress, let me clear a few things up. When we say organic we don't mean to distinguish from "inorganic", which is a chemistry term, we mean to distinguish from "not organic" or "conventional", which is an agricultural term in this case. Let's not confuse that anymore, ok?
As for your demands for explanations from Microbeman, simply click on his name and look for more posts by him, where he explains the differences between synthetic chemical growing with direct application of ionic nutes and organic growing with the microherd.
For further research, google "food soil web", and you will learn why nutrients stay in an organic grow instead of flushing out and polluting our bodies of water. You should also look up your own biology and learn what percentage of the cells in your body are actually microbes. You have a microherd too. Now are you getting a feel for how a symbiotic relationships work. There is a quid pro quo going on beneath the surface of the soil, with various organisms trading one resource or service for another and effectively responding to supply and demand. A nute marketplace with predators and victims. Yes, it's that complex, beautiful, and utterly improbable. But it's true.
We try to grow with our health and our environment in mind. We grow organic.
and we don't flush it down, unless it's brown. (or if your lady is around, yellow.)
jaykush said:what kind of soil did you use, just curious? regular potting soil + molasses only will grow mediocre buds at best, even with a mycorrhizal fungi.
.....alpinestar said:no it applies in the same way
any way you add it, the nitrogen will do the same thing if its there in excess
depending on what organic method you're using (such as a preammended soil) you may have to "flush" earlier
the more you grow, the more you will realize that every watering is a flush to some degree, and cutting out nutes of one type such as N while still adding normal p and k to the water solution that you use, is essentially "flushing" out the nitrogen, while not being what someone would traditionally consider a "flush" - which would be straight h20 or a very low ec solution
this helps bring up the importance of the issue of good drainage and a soil/media mix that doesnt hold nutrients for too long
that can/may be the case, but the basic 15-30-15 npk plant food can sometimes quickly revive and revitalize.magiccannabus said:My hatred of Miracle Grow is right up there with my hatred of Bose speakers. I sometimes type it when I am just thinking negative thoughts about something else lol
mgiaccannabus said:Organic is definitely a tricky term. There's more to the picture than just what goes into the soil and plant though. Fertilizer salts break down differently than other fertilizer forms. Sure it may effectively be the same thing to the plant, but to the soil biology it's not the same thing at all, thus it's not "organic".
Was this a blind, or double-blind study? I really think a study of that sort needs to be done over a wider field than just your personal experience. I'm not even saying I doubt your results, but there's a lot of factors. Did you add beneficials other than the myco tab to the soil fed with molasses? How much molasses did you use? Did you use water with chlorine in it?
The plants also uptake more heavy metals from chemical fertilizers. There's a lot of incidental toxins that end up attracted to the salt crystals. More mercury, more lead, more radioactivity. Flushing only partly fixes this problem. I don't flush though and my bud tastes better straight off the plant than most cured bud I've ever had. It's clean because I know what I'm putting into it, and what I am NOT putting into it.
To a degree this is true, but organics has allowed me a level of hands-off that I never had before. I no longer even THINK about pH, and thanks to coco coir, I also never think about over-watering. I run a pretty lazy grow in a lot of ways. When I used chemicals, it was much more work, and at least a hundred times more problematic. pH issues, disease, pests, and the risk of burning were all problems I had with chemical salts that I do not have with a healthy and active rhizosphere.
microherd is in chem media as well as organic media. dont think microherd has adapted to the indoor gardens of modern times? same as plants have adapted to indoor growing. all species seek to adapt and survive. some gardeners simply prefer organic mineral application.
flush is real simple due to most indoor plants being annuals, that only require pushing along to finish - and fully blossom in that single season.
whether fertilizers break down quickly or slowly, the key is knowing when to stop n.