exoticrobotic
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Only 6 bottles? You no understand pain in the ass
Try organic Yellow bottle nutrients.
It's a truly amazing feed but with 17 bottles you will really start to understand pain in the ass.
Is Biobizz a good choice?
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Only 6 bottles? You no understand pain in the ass
Try organic Yellow bottle nutrients.
It's a truly amazing feed but with 17 bottles you will really start to understand pain in the ass.
crazyben
Active member
True, Im growin with 6 or 10 litre pots which gives more tolerance.
GrayZone
Member
Bio Heaven is bio-heavenly expensive compared to the rest of their products. 1l of grow and bloom cost
less than 500ml of that crap. I don't doubt your observation, just wondering how bad things would get if not using it, in small pots. Are we talking nute deficiency?
GrayZone
Member
Ya, doesn't sound like much fun, especially as I don't have the PH pen. Alright, I'll see what to do. Maybe Canna would do the trick. Their line-up is simpler, apparently.
After learning more about the growing properties of the strain I'm planning to run, I might be switching to SCROG, so I'd used a tad bigger pots(3,4 liter) than for SOG(2,5liter). Guess that doesn't change much in terms of Heaven use.
Btw. thank you for all the useful info Hmong!
Usually at least half of what BB advices,,,
Sometimes more or a bit less ,,
Strain dependant ,,
1ml per litre in a 10 litre can during veg at the moment ,,OG Diesels S1s and British Petroleum on the go presently
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Cal mag on leds come with not incomplete light spectrum. Or slow flow of cal mag ions through plant caused by slow metabolism and colder room/box temps.Yes I struggle too with led lights and cal/mag
it won't be so easy with that yield etc... if you grow something different every time, it can distort because each strain can have slightly different requirements for nutrients.
organic feeding is alchemy
GF-Z
Active member
Exactly...
I had some overwatered, stunted girl Zstrawberry, which was under some cheap led light (growstar s1200 / niellol s1200, thats basically same brand)... Light was stated as 128w power draw, then I put wattmeter it showed 256w ~ .... I was frying poor girl, overwatering it and on top fungus gnats where killing her roots all the time in cold temperatures... And now after 1 month trying to recover her, figuring out I'm out of height for this led light, disconnecting half of board, so it would only draw 120w~, I stepped on another problem: COLD nights, its like 14degrees in night... Starter 12/12 this tortured plant and it cant form a buds... I decided to put heating mat under pot and let it run 24h... Wow in 2 days plant did more than in 1 week...
So having right temperature in root zone with led lights is a biggest problem trying to get decent crop...
Another thing which showed clones is cal/mag deficiency. Which I see obviously in indica dominant strain (GHS money maker), but I dont see it in Zstrawberry clones, which is quite strange (50/50 sativa/indica)...
What would be solution, because there is no possibility to buy "right" cal-mag, thats basically not exist in my country and buying it from growshop vendors is way to risky for this micro grow.
[Question]
What are natural fast release calcium which would buffer soil ph at same time, because it is neutralised peat w/ 15-20% coco coir / 5-10% perlite / 5% worm castings (leftovers).
There is plently isolated chemicals/minerals to choose from, like espom salt, calcium nitrate, potasium phosphate and etc.
Clones will veg for another 3 weeks in 500-700ppfd homemade led light (60w 6500k + 80w 3000k) and will be thrown in 12/12 no matter what... And I really want them to have a decent quallity life during this period =))
T.y. for answers
There are many things here that need to be changed.
You will grow good crop indoors if you stick few things.
Air humidity around 40-45 in flower.
and room temp around 22-24C.
Just those 2 things if they are constant you will see difference.
And with watering just old school finger method or rise a bit pot if its heavy wait few more days.
Its not rocket science and cannabis is very tought plant it can handle tons of stress.
sublingual
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Make your own bottled nutes with dry ferts, it's easy and saves money for things like a pH pen and TDS meter. You're wasting money buying mostly water. Think long-term and get the tools you need or otherwise fly blind (to an extent). Coco will allow you smaller pots and has a great aeration; use it straight with pumice (20%) or make coco the bulk with other media.
Also, do your own research or you will be lead astray by too many voices. Agriculture is a huge field and it helps to learn what they (real farmers) are doing. The only bottled nutes I use is silica, Cal Mag, enzymes, and molasses. You tube has videos how to make your own Cannabis concentrated stock from dry nutes. 120 grams of Epsom, 420 grams main poly nutes, and 240 Cal Nit. in that order. Once you "get it" you won't fall for that sucker's bet of bottled nutes.
There are also specialized nutes for different plant phases such as seedlings (or clones), veg. and sex indication, flowering, and finish. There are dry nutes for those phases too which enables tailoring for specific plant or human needs: indicating sex, extending or hurrying up a plant, or dealing with issues (there are always issues). Anyway, with this method at least you will learn exactly what the plant needs and grow good buds where you will soon find yourself with a plethora of excellent product.
I can't find the link but Kootmeds as a great chart for using Peter's products. If you can't get that brand, don't worry since there are different brands that give the same or close fertilizer value (NPK) where it's easy to mix and match for your application.
Also, do your own research or you will be lead astray by too many voices. Agriculture is a huge field and it helps to learn what they (real farmers) are doing. The only bottled nutes I use is silica, Cal Mag, enzymes, and molasses. You tube has videos how to make your own Cannabis concentrated stock from dry nutes. 120 grams of Epsom, 420 grams main poly nutes, and 240 Cal Nit. in that order. Once you "get it" you won't fall for that sucker's bet of bottled nutes.
There are also specialized nutes for different plant phases such as seedlings (or clones), veg. and sex indication, flowering, and finish. There are dry nutes for those phases too which enables tailoring for specific plant or human needs: indicating sex, extending or hurrying up a plant, or dealing with issues (there are always issues). Anyway, with this method at least you will learn exactly what the plant needs and grow good buds where you will soon find yourself with a plethora of excellent product.
I can't find the link but Kootmeds as a great chart for using Peter's products. If you can't get that brand, don't worry since there are different brands that give the same or close fertilizer value (NPK) where it's easy to mix and match for your application.
GrayZone
Member
@sublingual , that's a good point and if I were that much into growing I'd consider it. But right now, I have too much going on to bother with studying that and I'm not sure there'll be another grow, after this one.
Cerathule
Well-known member
1. Amino Acids are NOT, or do work like, steroids.
2. There are much less-dilute, professional and far cheaper AA products on the market.
3. Bacteria do NOT break up salts.
4. Your plants show a full N-def chlorosis so proof said product doesn't supplement these building blocks in meaningful amounts.
GrayZone
Member
Like Hesi's SuperVit?
That would be a much more affordable option than heavenly-priced BioHeaven.
GrayZone
Member
@Hmong , so both Bio Heaven and Hesi's SuperVit are amino acids + other stuff. It seems that amino acids are the key ingredient thou.
So why not use 8 bucks SuperVit amino over 25 bucks organic soya Bio Heaven amino? Thoughts?
I guess you could argue that BH has different or better amino acids, but would that really matter?
So why not use 8 bucks SuperVit amino over 25 bucks organic soya Bio Heaven amino? Thoughts?
I guess you could argue that BH has different or better amino acids, but would that really matter?
@GrayZone trying out SuperVit with your mircro grow, might be the best idea. You only need the 10ml bottle for the whole thing. Just try it out and give us a report
no that's the wrong stuff for it, Aminos always come from living sources, by way of fermentation.
Animal and plant based waste materials are used for industrial scale.
It's hard to find actual ingredients of grow brands, as 99% of info on the web is just marketing.
I found a EU security certificate though, and that has to have a content analysis for security labeling.
It's only in German, but just use google trans https://www.gbk-shop.de/mediafiles/sicherheitsdatenblaetter/hesi_supervit.pdf
When it comes to Biobizz, you guys first need to understand what Organic certification implies?
The "good" base materials are just that much more expensive, than like bulk GMO stuff.
Which is in abundance in today's world. So all this investment into product sourcing, certification and marketing, gets priced into the product.
That doesn't mean anything in relation to growing performance, just that the product has all the "good" labels. It's the equivalent of taking a paper bag over plastic at the grocery checkout...
It means nothing, so please stop overthinking this shit.
no that's the wrong stuff for it, Aminos always come from living sources, by way of fermentation.
Animal and plant based waste materials are used for industrial scale.
It's hard to find actual ingredients of grow brands, as 99% of info on the web is just marketing.
I found a EU security certificate though, and that has to have a content analysis for security labeling.
It's only in German, but just use google trans https://www.gbk-shop.de/mediafiles/sicherheitsdatenblaetter/hesi_supervit.pdf
When it comes to Biobizz, you guys first need to understand what Organic certification implies?
The "good" base materials are just that much more expensive, than like bulk GMO stuff.
Which is in abundance in today's world. So all this investment into product sourcing, certification and marketing, gets priced into the product.
That doesn't mean anything in relation to growing performance, just that the product has all the "good" labels. It's the equivalent of taking a paper bag over plastic at the grocery checkout...
It means nothing, so please stop overthinking this shit.
GrayZone
Member
After visiting my local grow shop, talking to the owner, and getting a suggestion from @Hmong to use BioCanna instead of BioBizz, the verdict is here, and it's gonna be BioCanna
The owner told me that a lot of people are complaining that BioBizz is thinner than before and the quality dropped. As both brands' bottles are transparent, I compared both and BioCanna is waaayyy thicker. BioBizz seems like water vs syrup(BioCanna). Pricewise it's the same ballpark. I still can grab a small SuperVit bottle for that amino-jazz and that should work fine.
Good info there in that German document!
I'm not concerned about all that "it's healthier" thing. Life is a deadly thing, there are no survivors.
I like bio cos I don't have a PH pen, that's all
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