now that you mention it when I have done very small batches I have just gotten amber.. your right..
ps- i still consider the budder of this sort "shatter".. It still has shatter consistency, unlike real budder
If you are ever in Amsterdam PM me.
-SamS
medicalgreen,
You say you don't like bubble hash, but what about dry sift resin cleaned up to over 70% THC? Maybe you have seen the photos of my basically 100% resin heads with all other waste removed?
I always worried about oil, who made it using what solvents, and were they all removed at the end? That and I know a lot of growers that made oil from inferior Cannabis products, even moldy ones. I am not trying to say you would do this, I am pointing out how difficult it is for the consumer to make safe and wise and economic choices.
With herb or resin you can tell if it has been adulterated for example, with oil not so easy, with shatter maybe a bit easier.
Something is still in your shatter oil, as 100% pure THC has no taste or smell or color and is a very very thick oil not a solid. The red color is from degraded oxidized THC it can be removed like is done with honey oil.
If you are ever in Amsterdam PM me.
-SamS
Ya my buddies has no taste or smell, and he claims that its b/c taste and smell are impurities.. You would still want to smoke it hehe, but ya the taste from jumps amber when properly extracted is awesome!
Jump- How do you KNOW that its the bleeding of the pistils? Im not questioning you, im wondering what your sources are or if its more of a guess?
SAME! mine sticks, his has no stick..
OMG pure OG amber would be redic!
I remember the pic now that you mention it of green shatter.. Theres the proof right there, no need for you to respond in this thread, to my previous question, Jump.
=)
Thanks for the info Sam. Also, thank for the invitation.
According to Jump, the reddish color comes from pistils, not plant matter. But who can say for sure?
If it truly has no taste, no color and no smell, I doubt I would want to smoke it, even if it's pure THC. I LOVE the flavor of the amber glass. Even the budder does not taste as good. Personally, I have never smoked anything as clean feeling as the shatter glass.
Maybe the pistils contribute to the red color, but if you make oil out of resin only it still comes out red. Also if you make THC synthetically it is clear when made then when exposed to oxygen it first turns violet for a short time, then red, with zero exposure to pistils.
I am not saying that pure THC is better, I am only saying that the shatter oil is not pure THC. I am the one that first claimed and then proved that terpenoids contribute to the high, more then a decade ago. And yes 100% pure THC is boring and lacks any individuality. Have you ever tested the highest grade shatter with a GC? What was the THC level?
All the best,
-SamS
Sam_Skunkman,
I believe you are probably correct, because I have made oil from bubble only and it came out red, too, with no pistils. Very good point.
I see what you are saying. And I agree with you, as well.
I have yet to have mine tested. But will when I can afford to.
Here, they want $120 per sample in 1 gr samples, and you don't even get the gr back. lol
I'm pretty happy with what i'm making, considering the great flavor and effect. I have seen this other shatter a couple times now, that's kinda reddish, or orangish, but it has a different consistency. It has no flavor really. I don't care for it nearly as much as what i'm making.
I find the budder has less flavor than the shatter i'm making. And it's the same material, but with less terpenoids because of decarb process occurring.
I concur completely.
Talk to the people doing the testing, I see no reason they need more then 1/10 of a gram to do the testing. If they smoked it first with them, and it is as good as you say, then maybe they would do the test for free, if you are not trying to sell products, maybe they will cut you some slack.
Don't be surprised if the very best shatter is not quite as high in THC as ones you like better with more taste.
I am curious as I have seen oils that were in the high 80%'s they were close to shatter in taste and quality, if you removed the very last bit of ethanol.
-SamS
According to Jump, the reddish color comes from pistils, not plant matter. But who can say for sure?
Jump- How do you KNOW that its the bleeding of the pistils? Im not questioning you, im wondering what your sources are or if its more of a guess?
I reported about bleeding pistils in thread “Theory about oil color and density” posts #20,25Maybe the pistils contribute to the red color, but if you make oil out of resin only it still comes out red. Also if you make THC synthetically it is clear when made then when exposed to oxygen it first turns violet for a short time, then red, with zero exposure to pistils.
Green shatter for me was a miracle for which I have not found an explanation,
I was not surprised by its fragility, but surprised the color, I have not figured out how did chlorophyll got there through non-polar butane.
can anyone point me in the direction of a thread explaining washing and second washings ect. i am a baby with concentrates and have only made the messiest nastiest darkest qwiso
edit: i would use the search feature if it didnt give me a 404 error every time
I reported about bleeding pistils in thread “Theory about oil color and density” posts #20,25
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2158410&postcount=20
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2161447&postcount=25
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For sure there are few reasons witch cause different changes of color.
The color bleeding from pistils seems to be pioneering before oxidation & UV.
These trichs were found in a cavern after alco-wash.
They weren’t heated or UV-exposed nor even opened, but they are already colored with red pistils’ color.
I’m sure that UV doesn’t play any role in case of my studies. There is no UV in my kitchen in the evening in winter.
To be more correct - it’s too little UV here to be considered as a reason of color changes.
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ICMagger gunnaknow suggested the role of pigments in the coloration of the extract into the red.
-“Red pistills aren't the only culprit for the red colour in oil …
The red colour is probably largely to do with carotenoids and perhaps also anthocyanins.” (click)
I know little about the pigments and their behavior, but I am confident in the significant role of oxidation.
Effect of oxidation on the color change is well illustrated by the dark color of the resin,
ethanol extracted from the filters that were used to obtain resin amber.
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Even earlier, in 2008 thread “Resin Tear Drop from clear to red” (click) ,
I registered the change of color of sap from the clear light yellow to dark red during the half-year of storage in a dark place at room temperature.
Those photos are located in the old gallery. I could not shift them here in the form of thumbnails.
I think that's oxidation is the cause of the appearance of dark color in decarboxylate THC,
which should be colorless, as Sam reports about this.
Unfortunately I have not had the opportunity to make these experiments in an inert atmosphere.
Green shatter for me was a miracle for which I have not found an explanation,
I was not surprised by its fragility, but surprised the color, I have not figured out how did chlorophyll got there through non-polar butane.
My buddy got his amber tested at a highly respected lab... tested out at 98%thc..
he uses dry trim im pretty sure, which is why its not thca
I think that's oxidation is the cause of the appearance of dark color in decarboxylate THC,
which should be colorless, as Sam reports about this.
Unfortunately I have not had the opportunity to make these experiments in an inert atmosphere.
Green shatter for me was a miracle for which I have not found an explanation,