farmhouse cat
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Thanks Buddy...no bottom row, (need that space for drainage to the return res, but need to get some plants to fill the top row on the next round.
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Thanks Buddy...no bottom row, (need that space for drainage to the return res, but need to get some plants to fill the top row on the next round.
farmhouse cat
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Those plants look very healthy bro, congrats... Just go in there once a week and take as many large fan out as you can, and then go back the next week, and the next week... until the plants are in week 8 and have nothing left on them but sugar leaves.
I've been lazy on my defoiling up until now... but with larger grows, imo it's mandatory to follow this practice, otherwise leaves start dying, and receding into the buds and inducing rot. That's unless you don't flush... cause if you don't flush then you'll have vibrant green leaves at harvest instead of the yellow nasty looking things that the plants ate up in their last days...
Thx bobble....Thats the plan..i usually never flush. I always let the plants use up whats left in the res and just keep adding plain water for the last week until there done.
Ive never seen the plants eat so much! They dropped the ppms from 650 to 430 in about 3 days. And the ph slowly rises from 5.7 to 5.9 over a 24 hour period like clockwork. Ive never used ph up on this grow. My previous horizontal flat grows in fence posts always had crazy ups and downs. I knew the roots were gonna be happy with all that DO and (no puddling water) but this is sweet!
farmhouse cat
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Puddling or pooling of water around the roots causing root rot and pyrethium. Its a design flaw in alot of aeroponic designs where the root chambers dont have proper drainage and the roots sit in pools of water causing all kinds of problems.
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Swellage begins
Dude..your killing it, awesome job.....happy thanksgiving mate!
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greenmatter
that is awesome FC !!
i see plenty off quality bud porn in the forecast
thank you
i see plenty off quality bud porn in the forecast
thank you
farmhouse cat
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THX again my friends!
The system is working great, the only problem i forsee is i may need to get a bigger reservoir. The system is only half full and they drink up a ton of water every day. (about 2o gallons a day.) At that rate just imagine when the system is full on my next round.
Anyhow...heres some pics from this morning 31 days in.
The system is working great, the only problem i forsee is i may need to get a bigger reservoir. The system is only half full and they drink up a ton of water every day. (about 2o gallons a day.) At that rate just imagine when the system is full on my next round.
Anyhow...heres some pics from this morning 31 days in.
Yeah bro, it's crazy how much healthy plants can drink... Looking good. Loving the sideways colas.
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DHF
I`m pissed cuz I can`t see the pics damnit....Grrrr.....Fer shits and giggles I went back over the whole thread after watchin football yesterday.....and....
You`ve come a long way my buddy......hope yas bring home the bacon this time after havin all kinds of shit to overcome.....
Shows character that you`re still strokin and headin toward Dialage-ville......and....I see you`re smart enough not ta put all yer eggs in 1 basket.....respect....
I thought it was my bullshit dialup connection here at the farm that`s keepin me from seein your pics , but on several pages in the thread the pics came through fine so wtf ?.....
Am I doin somethin wrong when I log on ?......dunno....anyways....
Saw 1 pic where the plants in the corners were all bunched up and that`s a big no no and expressly why I built my racks with angled corners covered in reflectix and holding all equipment mounted thru wall with all heat exhausting back into the lungrooms....
What the angled corners did was to buffer the distance between the end plants so they wouldn`t choke out and grow into each other or compete for light or environment to provide the most uniform plant structure and most manageable even canopy with all my 64 plants looking identical at harvey.......
4 plants on 4 walls on 4 levels 1 ft apart in #5 sp`s fed once a day with basket stakes in recycled coco blend with perlite for added rootzone aeration.....simple.... babyshit....
Twice a day last few weeks of swellage to keep the medium flushed out , and all locations finished within grams of 1 1/2 oz finished plants X 64 , so the potential for what you and Bobbles are doing is wide ass open IME......sky`s the limit.....
There`s not a faster hydro setup than aero once dialed so I`d expect big yields and the need for horti-trellis hung where the end colas can have support for the rest of the plant to keep em from stressin out and fallin over when they get too heavy.....I mean....
You see how much your bitches are drinkin now ?......Better get some more Rezzage since late flower`s beginning right now Bro and they`re gonna get heavy .....trust me.....and ...20 gals a day ain`t shit when the plants are in that "circadian rythym" of suckin juice and sweatin it out/transpiring/suckin juice/sweatin it out perfect dialed flow for max swellage during lights off.....
My ebb and flow bucket flip room setups had 35 buckets in each room and drank at least 70 gals a day in late flower minimum till end of cycle thus why I had 325 gal tanks with 150 gal R/O topoff rez`s.......for example....
Aight...nuff outta my coffee and pre 98 Bubba induced wake and bake sunday mornin old ass....Git `er done son....
Peace....Freds....
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You`ve come a long way my buddy......hope yas bring home the bacon this time after havin all kinds of shit to overcome.....
Shows character that you`re still strokin and headin toward Dialage-ville......and....I see you`re smart enough not ta put all yer eggs in 1 basket.....respect....
I thought it was my bullshit dialup connection here at the farm that`s keepin me from seein your pics , but on several pages in the thread the pics came through fine so wtf ?.....
Am I doin somethin wrong when I log on ?......dunno....anyways....
Saw 1 pic where the plants in the corners were all bunched up and that`s a big no no and expressly why I built my racks with angled corners covered in reflectix and holding all equipment mounted thru wall with all heat exhausting back into the lungrooms....
What the angled corners did was to buffer the distance between the end plants so they wouldn`t choke out and grow into each other or compete for light or environment to provide the most uniform plant structure and most manageable even canopy with all my 64 plants looking identical at harvey.......
4 plants on 4 walls on 4 levels 1 ft apart in #5 sp`s fed once a day with basket stakes in recycled coco blend with perlite for added rootzone aeration.....simple.... babyshit....
Twice a day last few weeks of swellage to keep the medium flushed out , and all locations finished within grams of 1 1/2 oz finished plants X 64 , so the potential for what you and Bobbles are doing is wide ass open IME......sky`s the limit.....
There`s not a faster hydro setup than aero once dialed so I`d expect big yields and the need for horti-trellis hung where the end colas can have support for the rest of the plant to keep em from stressin out and fallin over when they get too heavy.....I mean....
You see how much your bitches are drinkin now ?......Better get some more Rezzage since late flower`s beginning right now Bro and they`re gonna get heavy .....trust me.....and ...20 gals a day ain`t shit when the plants are in that "circadian rythym" of suckin juice and sweatin it out/transpiring/suckin juice/sweatin it out perfect dialed flow for max swellage during lights off.....
My ebb and flow bucket flip room setups had 35 buckets in each room and drank at least 70 gals a day in late flower minimum till end of cycle thus why I had 325 gal tanks with 150 gal R/O topoff rez`s.......for example....
Aight...nuff outta my coffee and pre 98 Bubba induced wake and bake sunday mornin old ass....Git `er done son....
Peace....Freds....
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I'm gonna need a bigger res... lol...
Freds, if you could see the pics, you would be proud... FHC has 3 walls of 2'? long sideways leaning colas. That room just needs to be defoliated so the lights can reach all the way through his thick assed canopy.
FHC, like Freds said, hang up some horti-trellis... before it's too late.
Freds, if you could see the pics, you would be proud... FHC has 3 walls of 2'? long sideways leaning colas. That room just needs to be defoliated so the lights can reach all the way through his thick assed canopy.
FHC, like Freds said, hang up some horti-trellis... before it's too late.
farmhouse cat
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I loaded a couple pics to IC rather then my photo program. Let me know DHF if you can see them now?
You guys on this site and especially DHF and Bobble, have been a huge help getting me goin in the right direction with the whole vertical challenge, and how important dialage is. I have to throw out some huge respect and thanks to Heath also, his vertical racks were the inspiration for this whole thing.
Aero is the only way ive ever grown and ive never done it any other way. So once i understood how aero worked i just implimented it into a vertical heath rack. Its obviously still a work in progress with lots of trial and error to overcome. But im hoping that soon i will get there and then it will be , as DHF SAYS "peat and repeat".
There is no question i will need a bigger res. This 55 gallon drum i have now is not going to cut it. If you think about it, 55 gallons and the plants are drinking at least 20 g a night.. they go through a whole res in less then 72 hours. In aero you want to change the reservoir when youve added the equal amout back. That would mean with a 55 gallon res i would need to change out to a fresh res every couple days. NOT GONNA DO IT.
I will make due until harvest but next round its upgrade time.
DHF, you are spot on about the corners plants. Beacuse im not going to rebuild this thing anytime soon, ive been contemplating how to stagger the plants on the next run to counter this and i think i have a solution. I have 5 spots on each row. (3 rows) I will fill 4 spots on each row and stagger that to each wall. so where the corners meet, the plants on the adjoing wall have that open space. 12 plants per wall= 48 plants. I do need to get some netting up real soon!!
Thanks again friends for the compliments.. and i hope you can see the pics now DHF.
You guys on this site and especially DHF and Bobble, have been a huge help getting me goin in the right direction with the whole vertical challenge, and how important dialage is. I have to throw out some huge respect and thanks to Heath also, his vertical racks were the inspiration for this whole thing.
Aero is the only way ive ever grown and ive never done it any other way. So once i understood how aero worked i just implimented it into a vertical heath rack. Its obviously still a work in progress with lots of trial and error to overcome. But im hoping that soon i will get there and then it will be , as DHF SAYS "peat and repeat".
There is no question i will need a bigger res. This 55 gallon drum i have now is not going to cut it. If you think about it, 55 gallons and the plants are drinking at least 20 g a night.. they go through a whole res in less then 72 hours. In aero you want to change the reservoir when youve added the equal amout back. That would mean with a 55 gallon res i would need to change out to a fresh res every couple days. NOT GONNA DO IT.
I will make due until harvest but next round its upgrade time.
DHF, you are spot on about the corners plants. Beacuse im not going to rebuild this thing anytime soon, ive been contemplating how to stagger the plants on the next run to counter this and i think i have a solution. I have 5 spots on each row. (3 rows) I will fill 4 spots on each row and stagger that to each wall. so where the corners meet, the plants on the adjoing wall have that open space. 12 plants per wall= 48 plants. I do need to get some netting up real soon!!
Thanks again friends for the compliments.. and i hope you can see the pics now DHF.
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I hear you on sticking with what you know. I am the same with DWC.
Do you have an RO filter? My 60 gal res feeds my control bucket automatically, maintaining the same water levels. If you are recirculating your nutes, it may be a quick fix, and you would just need to add nutes as needed to maintain nutrient strength. You can make a spread sheet to calculate how much each nutrient adds to your existing ppms. Like DHF said, they will be drinking even more, maybe twice by the end of flower depending on how far in you are.
Looks awesome so far! Do you have an anticipated chop date yet?
farmhouse cat
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I do have RO water hooked to a float valve in the reservoir, and it keeps the water level up where it needs to be. I monitor the water usage every couple days by turning off my RO supply just to get an idea of whats goin on.
I wanted to stay away from adding nutes to a half used reservoir beacuse you have no way of knowing what then plants have eaten and its easy for things to get all out of whack. I know this firsthand..lol
I think the way to get this dialed is to find the right size res, (preferably about 10 days before the plants have drank the size of the res) then find the right nute strength to get to that 10 days. As of right now the plants are eating and drinking perfectly... my ppms and ph are spot on. I just need to get this way with a bigger res.
Aero plants eat fast! This strain is an 8 week strain so should be done in 26 days or so.
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Hey guys i believe its time to do some major defoliating, would you agree? Ive always been skeptical about cutting too much, and stunting the plants. ?? just do it or what? DHF...bobble? Marlo?
Also, Ive been thinking about something and hope i can get some feedback.
We all agree less is more right? nutrientwise. I think the general idea is to feed just enough to prevent deficiencies..right?
So if the plants are looking healthy, and growing vigorously at a certain strength, then why fix it?
But would the plants benefit more and grow bigger buds if one upped the nute strength?
In my situtation the plants are looking very healthy. I have been starting a new reservoir every 10 days. I mix up the res to about 650 ppm. After only 3 days the ppms will drop to about 450ppm. At 450ppm they still have a week to go before the next res change. During that last week the ppms will slowly fall from 450 but (not as fast).
Its this week of low strength that concerns me?
Ive stayed away on this grow from adding nutrients to the res between changes, in fear of creating inbalances and salt buildups.
This is the first grow i have not added, and my PH has never been so ROCK SOLID. I have to assume its beacuse the plants are eating what they need and are not being overloaded with too much of this or that.
Thoughts?
Also, Ive been thinking about something and hope i can get some feedback.
We all agree less is more right? nutrientwise. I think the general idea is to feed just enough to prevent deficiencies..right?
So if the plants are looking healthy, and growing vigorously at a certain strength, then why fix it?
But would the plants benefit more and grow bigger buds if one upped the nute strength?
In my situtation the plants are looking very healthy. I have been starting a new reservoir every 10 days. I mix up the res to about 650 ppm. After only 3 days the ppms will drop to about 450ppm. At 450ppm they still have a week to go before the next res change. During that last week the ppms will slowly fall from 450 but (not as fast).
Its this week of low strength that concerns me?
Ive stayed away on this grow from adding nutrients to the res between changes, in fear of creating inbalances and salt buildups.
This is the first grow i have not added, and my PH has never been so ROCK SOLID. I have to assume its beacuse the plants are eating what they need and are not being overloaded with too much of this or that.
Thoughts?
