Haze Discussion Thread continued

[JohnnyChicago]

"Haze x NL" male grown by @flylowgethigh

Haze x NL = Incense OT1xOH x inbred NL

 

[midwestkid]

Madmac seedsman Ohaze repro

 

[flylowgethigh]

"Haze x NL" male grown by @flylowgethigh

Haze x NL = Incense OT1xOH x inbred NL
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Does he look bonified? Besides taking the plant outside from11/13 a couple weeks ago, I haven't touched it. Watering with pond water and rain. I did try to get some pollen that was forming as I took it outside, and hope it was viable. I will collect pollen as it makes it.

Reminds me of a sheepdawg with the hair, er I mean the droopy leaves. A 16+ week male is also out there with this one, but the leaves are praying.

Edit: I figured out why this NLH male is so bushy. It has 4 fans and 4 branches coming from each node.. The plants I have grown before had 2, and they were 180* apart. The direction changed 90 on each subsequent node. Not this bad boy:



Check out how stout the main stem is.

 

[William76]

Is that not a polyploid?,76

 

[Hammerhead]

Is that not a polyploid?,76

No, it's called fasciation. I don't keep plants that have this mutation. It's never worked out well.

Fasciation is defined as the development of elongated, flattened stems in plants. Fasciation occurs in a wide assortment of species and has interested plant scientists for years. Fasciation in cannabis is infrequent. Unfortunately, flower bud growth is also negatively affected. In most cases, the cause is a genetic mutation and not an infectious disease. The affected plant part can be localized in a single stem, which can be trimmed out so the remainder of the plant will grow normally.

 

[Sub24ox7]

I have one icmag o. Haze that’s Fasciated and only the main branch.

 

[William76]

No, I was talking about the double budsites,isnt that sometimes found on polyploids?,76

 

[Hammerhead]

No, I was talking about the double budsites,isnt that sometimes found on polyploids?,76

Fasciation (pronounced /ˌfæʃiˈeɪʃən/, from the Latin root meaning "band" or "stripe"), also known as cresting, is a relatively rare condition of abnormal growth in vascular plants in which the apical meristem (growing tip), which normally is concentrated around a single point and produces approximately cylindrical tissue, instead becomes elongated perpendicularly to the direction of growth, thus producing flattened, ribbon-like, crested (or "cristate"), or elaborately contorted tissue.[1] Fasciation may also cause plant parts to increase in weight and volume in some instances. The phenomenon may occur in the stem, root, fruit, or flower head.
Some plants are grown and prized aesthetically for their development of fasciation. Any occurrence of fasciation has several possible causes, including hormonal, genetic, bacterial, fungal, viral, and environmental causes.

Polyploids are flowers and fruits with multiples. It's commonly used in breeding plants. It's about a plant's chromosomes. I tried to find a video but all are about Polyploid science. They are often confused. Many still call them polyploid.

This works lol.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

This is what SamS wrote when he saw my fasciated mother in 2015.
He also wrote he used her "for massive seed production".

How do I get a leaf to test the DNA of the fasciated stem plant? Get your post count to over 50 so I can PM you.
I bet the mother I used to make the seed was also fasciated, I like her and used her a lot. When a small clone she acts normal when over 3 feet tall she fasciates every time with the top of the central stalk. I have had her for over 20 years. Not many reported fasciated progeny.

-SamS

 

[flylowgethigh]

Biggest problem is the outdoor photoperiod has messed up the pollen production, and the girls are in the tent maturing under 12/12, with who-knows how much time they have left on their biological clock.

I like the SKOHLP structure also, and would like to make some seeds with the smaller NLH female T1. A friend may have 2 SKOHLP females, and I will try to hit them too. Neither of the boyz smells like much, but my nose isn't that good these daze.

It is gonna be hot the next couple weeks, and hopefully pollen will be made.

 

[flylowgethigh]

BTW, I was just looking at the 4 leaf NLH while I was watering, and the 4 leaf stuff started at around the 3rd or 4th node. I am glad I didn't pinch it back then.

 

[William76]

Yea,I know what fascation is,but usually when u find a plant with double budsites without fascation/flat stems it can be a polyploid .76

 

[GoatCheese]

I’ve read that when polyploid plants are crossed with normal plants their offspring will have growth problems; smaller yield than both parents etc.. And if you want to have the benefits of polyploid-plants (larger yields) in the offspring you have to breed a polyploid with other polyploids.

..so if fasciated plants are crossed with normal plants and the offspring would have normal growth vigor, it would mean the fasciated plant wasn’t a polyploid.

 

[Sub24ox7]

Thh f2 mint

 

[Chi13]

There's a lot of Haze threads so not sure where to ask this.
I have heard some say that Oldtimers Haze isn't really a Haze. Is that correct or not? If not, then what is it?

 

[herbgreen]

There's a lot of Haze threads so not sure where to ask this.
I have heard some say that Oldtimers Haze isn't really a Haze. Is that correct or not? If not, then what is it?

This what I have on it...Its a hazey plant but not direct line to haze bros

Time 15:15, 25 Dec 1998

From oldtimer1

My haze was brought here [uk] from the states during its development it was still being developed field scale and may not represent the finished product. From what I have gleaned the nearest to the real thing on sale in Europe was sold by Wernard of Positronics. After he went bankrupt his stock and seed Co was taken over by Dutch passion / Home grown fantaseeds. Both these seed banks are run by relatives. The thing is that the spec for their haze has been changed from posies one in a big reduction on the finish time on 12/12. I suspect they have made a cross to a non dom indica. The thing is if you want to grow real haze it takes 12 to 16 weeks on 12/12 the very best being the late ones. The only other Haze that may have some of the original one in could be Nevils haze but greenhouse haven't published its spec yet but once again I suspect it will have indica added we will see. Most the other so called haze are lambs breath and Thai crosses. In fact in Holland haze has become a generic term for a sat with a strong up high.
All the best Ot1.

 

[goingrey]

There's a lot of Haze threads so not sure where to ask this.
I have heard some say that Oldtimers Haze isn't really a Haze. Is that correct or not? If not, then what is it?

What's really a Haze? To me the fact the Haze Bros called theirs "Original" suggests there were others even back then.

But to back up @herbgreen, based on what Oldtimer1 himself said the lines are different.

https://www.icmag.com/threads/tfds-original-haze-vs-aces-oldtimers-haze.112656/post-3217372

Oldtimer1
7-16-2001
Posts: 1,032
Budm, to answer your question no, this haze line is from a commune north of Sacramento and evolved separately but at the same time as Dutchmen haze lines.

What is it? Probably seeds from Colombian import worked/reproduced in California (walks like a duck theorem).

 

[RoyalFlush]

(walks like a duck theorem).

Quacks like a Rhino?

I thought OT1 was a pure Columbian line that was unrelated too HazeBro's Haze.

 

[goingrey]

Quacks like a Rhino?

I thought OT1 was a pure Columbian line that was unrelated too HazeBro's Haze.

Rhinos make some funny sounds alright. But I think we agree then?

 

[Sub24ox7]

Purple haze v2 thank you @JohnnyChicago
It’s 100 degrees F air temp today