"Free To Tax"
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tenfeetofganja
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trouble said:
hrmm. except the difference is my lies dont perpetuate hate, violence and greed.
everyone talks about change. i hear it from hilary, i hear it from obama, even that old hard headed mccain is saying change. but thats NEVER going to happend. we will NEVER see free health care. we will continue to be this war mongering country regardless which ever puppet is installed to be the face of america.
ill show you change.
pullout from iraq
slash military spending
beef up homeland security
get rid of patriot act
lower taxes
divert funding toward education
legalize sale/use of cannabis
increase penalties on hard drug use/sales
Gypsy Nirvana said:
Gypsy, I would have to disagree that the British imposing taxes on the colonies was the main cause of the American War of Independence? The Stamp Act of 1765 or the Tea Act of 1773.
Clearly, if taxes were the main cause of the American Revololution, the war would have started much sooner than it did. And one would think that the Founding Fathers would have thought to list "imposing taxes" much higher up the list of grievances in the Declaration of Independence.
When the Second Continental Congress listed their specific grievances in the Declaration of Independance, they listed "imposing taxes on us without consent" as #17.
After the French & Indian War the British extended their merchantilistic polices on trade resrtictions and econmic control over the Colonies. They underminded the authority of Colonial Assemblies, imposed Martial Law in New England and threatened to do it eleswhere. By the late 1770's, it was clear that the British no longer respected the tradition of America self-governance.
Taxes were only a small part of a much larger problem.
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FrankRizzo
Listen to me jerky
Trouble- I'm am sorry if I came off rudely to you. I was just try to present some of the information for my side of the story. Since you found that information to be a "demented, delusional conspiracy" I will stop wasting your time. I honestly do not feel you really answered my questions to the degree I was hoping for. That is not here nor here. I know you will think I'm nuts for saying that, but I know nothing I will say will change your opinion. I respect your view on the subject and will close my mouth. I'm again sorry for coming off rudely, that is not my intention.
Another way to look at taxes is paying for protection......protection from those that tax you.....
.....many organized crime syndicates engage in what is known as 'Protection Rackets'......they do this by taxing businesses/people and if the owners of these businesses don't pay then they are penalized/brutalized in some way or another......
Governments...(legal syndicates) do pretty much the same thing......if taxes are not paid then the people are penalized/incarcerated and possibly brutalized there.....too...
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.....many organized crime syndicates engage in what is known as 'Protection Rackets'......they do this by taxing businesses/people and if the owners of these businesses don't pay then they are penalized/brutalized in some way or another......
Governments...(legal syndicates) do pretty much the same thing......if taxes are not paid then the people are penalized/incarcerated and possibly brutalized there.....too...
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FrankRizzo
Listen to me jerky
Even if we do as they say and pay all of their taxes I feel they still penalize/incarcerate and brutalize us. I don't really see an end to it, not matter how much we turn over to them it will never be enough. Our government loses some absurd amount of money every year, something like a trillion dollars. (That may not be the exact amount, but its a lot of dough) It just goes *poof* into thin air. No sane business could function if they just "misplaced" an amount equal to that. I guess the point I was ultimately try to make is that we need to investigate these people running the show more. They make it soo complicated that the average person (someone like me) can't do that, and they know it. Personally I see the disproportion of wealth getting so one sided that it has gotten me thinking in the last few weeks. I think trouble misunderstood me just a bit. My intention was just to bring some information I had found to the table. I'm not trying to totally convince anyone that I'm 100% right. More I just would like to see people looking into things one their own, getting the answers for themselves. Maybe that will happen, more than likely it won't and we will go on living our "happy" little lives.
Dr. Buzz
Member
In before the lock 
I think that when we live in a country, it is the duty of it's citizens to pay taxes. I do believe however, that the US government is very wasteful in it's spending and the media and government want us to pay more and get less and be happy about it. Is it too much to ask for an honest government that isn't rife with thieves? Isn't there a way to fix our healthcare system that doesn't include growing the government by leaps and bounds? Can't we keep our population safe without all of the secret police? (department of Homeland Security) Can't we have a government that isn't in so much debt?
I think that when we live in a country, it is the duty of it's citizens to pay taxes. I do believe however, that the US government is very wasteful in it's spending and the media and government want us to pay more and get less and be happy about it. Is it too much to ask for an honest government that isn't rife with thieves? Isn't there a way to fix our healthcare system that doesn't include growing the government by leaps and bounds? Can't we keep our population safe without all of the secret police? (department of Homeland Security) Can't we have a government that isn't in so much debt?
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This is exactly what I tell people when we're talking about government corruption. A government is nothing more than the reigning #1 mafia in the land. There are different levels of corruption in governments, the US is as bad as any. It may APPEAR the US isn't as bad as some, but that's because the US is better at hiding their activities than most governments.
Gypsy Nirvana said:
tenfeetofganja
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Dr. Buzz said:
As long as our government continues to borrow monies from the federal bank at interest to pay off its debt with monies previously borrowed at interest from the federal bank (and no, federal bank is not part of Govt.) our country will always be slaves to debt. and as citizen taxpayers, we will always be slaves to our corrupt goverment. and their corrupt friends.
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damn, some of you need to watch money masters. is that guy full of fiction too, greenhead?
creature from jeykll island. most powerful bankers in the world, secret meeting on rich only island, drafted federal reserve, voted it in during christmas. snakes.
all recessions are man made. wealth always transferred.
george carlin said it best...
edit: btw, federal reserve is the biggest scam ever.
creature from jeykll island. most powerful bankers in the world, secret meeting on rich only island, drafted federal reserve, voted it in during christmas. snakes.
all recessions are man made. wealth always transferred.
george carlin said it best...
edit: btw, federal reserve is the biggest scam ever.
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dbuzz said:
What about Money Masters? I watched it and found it to be nothing more than 3 1/2 hours of just another lame truther conspiracy theory film about how the "Evil Jews" are controling the world. Maybe I missed something in the film? Please, share with me what you found so enlightening about Money Masters?
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The_Leader
Non-Hilocentric
when the bankers owned it, you know, (take a left when you enter the isle and check out the houses) it was a private place. but it was the original prison in ga 1st
heres why taxes really sux. pay out ur nose. do exactly what gov wants. what do you get? thrown in jail for growing a weed, so wheres the freedom?
iv kids n schools that are under funded, no music, no after school activities? but billions going to iraq. think i can do better w/MY money.
heres why taxes really sux. pay out ur nose. do exactly what gov wants. what do you get? thrown in jail for growing a weed, so wheres the freedom?
iv kids n schools that are under funded, no music, no after school activities? but billions going to iraq. think i can do better w/MY money.
The_Leader
Non-Hilocentric
now thats funny...jekyll aint been happening since the drunk capt took out the only bridge...lol
i know the history because my kin were in that prison. u talk about lifetime crime family...
edit...is the island still dirty? i was thinking u go straight and end up at the conv center. that place was the bomb back in the day. jaycees anyone? last i was there? OO maybe. place looked bad.
i know the history because my kin were in that prison. u talk about lifetime crime family...
edit...is the island still dirty? i was thinking u go straight and end up at the conv center. that place was the bomb back in the day. jaycees anyone? last i was there? OO maybe. place looked bad.
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"Truther"! hahaha I think you've called me that before. Conservatives on pot sites are a funny thing. No matter where they go, THEY know what's really up, and everyone else is wrong wrong wrong. Oh yeah, listen to the folks who say the US government's not that bad, that's a GREAT idea! That way you can feel all warm and fuzzy, even as the walls crumble all around you.
Let me tell you folks, when one of the sheep is winking at you, and urging you to come back to the pen, just SAY NO! These sheep are cunning. They'll act like they are SO SURE that all these conspiracies are nothing more than theories, not real conspiracies. They'll talk with gusto about how it's fair that the farmer gets to shave all your hair off once or twice a year since he's the one who feeds you. They'll childishly refer to the brave, black sheep as fools and truthers.
People like these make it possible, nay, COMFORTABLE for our masters to continue to fuck us deeply. The 9-11 conspiracy is all but hushed already. Good job conservatives! We're moving further from holding those responsible accountable for this shit. More and more people are called names and heckled by ignorant, loud mouthed conservatives for believing that a few terrorists DIDN'T perpetrate the 9-11 attacks. There's plenty of evidence showing that rogue elements of the US government, and massive corporate interests were involved in making the attacks possible. Don't say it isn't so, you conservative bastards! I know you think you're right (that's the nature of the conservative beast), but stop thinking that, so maybe you'll have a chance to be turned on to some truth some time.
The Federal Reserve IS a criminal organization, NOT of the people, NOT for the people. The US government is a hostage of the bankers. We've even had ex presidents come out and say so!
All is NOT peachy, folks. The media puts such a fine sheen on all the atrocities going on all around you that you simply can't see what's really happening. The more commercial television you watch (cable, satellite with commercials), the more easily you are convinced of what they're saying. The programming is sneaky, but its there all the time. My family has been away from commercial television for more than a year. When I DO see commercial television programming, it makes me sick. Being away from it's influence for this long gives a person a good perspective on the situation. The methods are amazingly devious. They are corralling you into the pens they want you in when you watch commercial tv. And what pisses me off the most about it is... THEY MAKE YOU PAY FOR THE PRIVILEGE TO BRAINWASH YOU.
It used to piss me off to see my young son playing on the floor, while a commercial was playing on the tube over his head. These bastards spend BILLIONS every year on advertising, and they KNOW how to make your brain react, even if you're not paying attention. To see my boy marinating in the juices sent through the tube by corporate America, was to watch them prep my son for the raping they were intending to give him when he had money later in life. BASTARDS!
The other day the wife and I were in a grocery store and saw a blatant example of the brainwashing forced on us daily... It comes in small but powerful packages. We were standing in the check-out line and saw the cover of one of the tabloid mags in the rack. It's headline was about Tom Cruise and how he doesn't let his kid have McDonald's, no tv, no pharmaceutical drugs, only herbals, etc. We couldn't believe our eyes! They might as well have been talking about how WE raise our kids. You see, you don't even have to buy the tabloid to be brainwashed. The headline said something like "They've gone too far". So if you're a regular American at the checkout line, and you see this, your opinions of herbal medicines have just been diminished somewhat, you think McDonald's is a little better than before reading how crazy it is NOT to eat McDonald's, and you love your tv that much more. UNBELIEVABLE. But this shit is happening EVERYWHERE, and is the reason we have conservatives! hehehe people who are SOOOOOOOO sure our taxes are justified, and our politicians are trying to help.
Now all my kids are allowed to watch are DVDs WE buy for them. Mostly nature documentaries and morally sound movies with no subversive BS thrown in. That means very little Disney. The kids can play video games... only on the Wii, and ONLY games where you have to be standing to play. It is against the rules of my house to play any video game you can sit to play.
I guess I'm just crazy, like Tom Cruise is. Rules that keep their minds their own. Let the conservatives scream and shout about how us black sheep are truthers, and paranoid conspiracy theorists. I care only because there are many folks who might be led down the path of ignorance because these conservatives have the biggest mouths you'll ever run into. (see: Rush Limbaugh)
For the record, I hate no one. I understand how deeply brainwashed conservatives are, and that it's not their fault. It's just terribly annoying and disappointing to see cultural ignorance spread so voraciously with words.
ICMAg is for everyone who loves cannabis, but it's surprising to see conservatives spending time here. Damn surprising. The very nature of conservatism in this country (and many others) makes it amazing to see any of them here. Even more amazing to see them squaring off against the great majority of us in the pot communities who are the polar opposite of conservative. But such is the nature of the beast.
Take care of your own and try to enlighten whoever has ears for the truth. cc
Let me tell you folks, when one of the sheep is winking at you, and urging you to come back to the pen, just SAY NO! These sheep are cunning. They'll act like they are SO SURE that all these conspiracies are nothing more than theories, not real conspiracies. They'll talk with gusto about how it's fair that the farmer gets to shave all your hair off once or twice a year since he's the one who feeds you. They'll childishly refer to the brave, black sheep as fools and truthers.
People like these make it possible, nay, COMFORTABLE for our masters to continue to fuck us deeply. The 9-11 conspiracy is all but hushed already. Good job conservatives! We're moving further from holding those responsible accountable for this shit. More and more people are called names and heckled by ignorant, loud mouthed conservatives for believing that a few terrorists DIDN'T perpetrate the 9-11 attacks. There's plenty of evidence showing that rogue elements of the US government, and massive corporate interests were involved in making the attacks possible. Don't say it isn't so, you conservative bastards! I know you think you're right (that's the nature of the conservative beast), but stop thinking that, so maybe you'll have a chance to be turned on to some truth some time.
The Federal Reserve IS a criminal organization, NOT of the people, NOT for the people. The US government is a hostage of the bankers. We've even had ex presidents come out and say so!
All is NOT peachy, folks. The media puts such a fine sheen on all the atrocities going on all around you that you simply can't see what's really happening. The more commercial television you watch (cable, satellite with commercials), the more easily you are convinced of what they're saying. The programming is sneaky, but its there all the time. My family has been away from commercial television for more than a year. When I DO see commercial television programming, it makes me sick. Being away from it's influence for this long gives a person a good perspective on the situation. The methods are amazingly devious. They are corralling you into the pens they want you in when you watch commercial tv. And what pisses me off the most about it is... THEY MAKE YOU PAY FOR THE PRIVILEGE TO BRAINWASH YOU.
It used to piss me off to see my young son playing on the floor, while a commercial was playing on the tube over his head. These bastards spend BILLIONS every year on advertising, and they KNOW how to make your brain react, even if you're not paying attention. To see my boy marinating in the juices sent through the tube by corporate America, was to watch them prep my son for the raping they were intending to give him when he had money later in life. BASTARDS!
The other day the wife and I were in a grocery store and saw a blatant example of the brainwashing forced on us daily... It comes in small but powerful packages. We were standing in the check-out line and saw the cover of one of the tabloid mags in the rack. It's headline was about Tom Cruise and how he doesn't let his kid have McDonald's, no tv, no pharmaceutical drugs, only herbals, etc. We couldn't believe our eyes! They might as well have been talking about how WE raise our kids. You see, you don't even have to buy the tabloid to be brainwashed. The headline said something like "They've gone too far". So if you're a regular American at the checkout line, and you see this, your opinions of herbal medicines have just been diminished somewhat, you think McDonald's is a little better than before reading how crazy it is NOT to eat McDonald's, and you love your tv that much more. UNBELIEVABLE. But this shit is happening EVERYWHERE, and is the reason we have conservatives! hehehe people who are SOOOOOOOO sure our taxes are justified, and our politicians are trying to help.
Now all my kids are allowed to watch are DVDs WE buy for them. Mostly nature documentaries and morally sound movies with no subversive BS thrown in. That means very little Disney.
The kids can play video games... only on the Wii, and ONLY games where you have to be standing to play. It is against the rules of my house to play any video game you can sit to play.I guess I'm just crazy, like Tom Cruise is. Rules that keep their minds their own. Let the conservatives scream and shout about how us black sheep are truthers, and paranoid conspiracy theorists. I care only because there are many folks who might be led down the path of ignorance because these conservatives have the biggest mouths you'll ever run into. (see: Rush Limbaugh)
For the record, I hate no one. I understand how deeply brainwashed conservatives are, and that it's not their fault. It's just terribly annoying and disappointing to see cultural ignorance spread so voraciously with words.
ICMAg is for everyone who loves cannabis, but it's surprising to see conservatives spending time here. Damn surprising. The very nature of conservatism in this country (and many others) makes it amazing to see any of them here. Even more amazing to see them squaring off against the great majority of us in the pot communities who are the polar opposite of conservative. But such is the nature of the beast.
Take care of your own and try to enlighten whoever has ears for the truth. cc
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Crazy Composer said:
Brainwashed liberals, troofers and other sorts of outcasts from society do not have a monopoly on the cannabis plant nor do they represent any cannabis movement.
Anybody who has been around the block and has any real world experience knows that cannabis is smoked and enjoyed by all sorts of people.
Yup, I know some American conservatives in real life, smoke and drink with them too. But they admit to me that they will cheat, steal and scrape others' eyes out to get their way... Exactly what I have come to expect from conservatives. Fat smile, bad intention. Very little concept of karma, nay, mocking of karma. Oh, and...... they're ALWAYS correct.
Oh, you saw that tabloid too, eh? Se how fast it works, folks! hahaha
