EVERYONE READ THIS!!...BC Recreational Use Regulations

[Rider420]

It is not a rule/section, it is a matter of constitutional interpretation in accordance with longstanding caselaw. It first arose in another prohibition context (alcohol, of course) in 1896. Ontario AG v. Canada AG, otherwise known as the Prohibition Case, was decided by the Privy Council (it was at that time, Canada's highest court).

https://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKPC/1896/1896_20.html

Short strokes: It is beyond provincial power to ban alcohol outright, though they can regulate its sale and even ban the sale of it (but not its possession or mere manufacture). It is not beyond the power of Parliament to ban possession of alcohol outright or its manufacture under the criminal power, but the extensive regulation of commerce within a particular province is the jurisdiction of the provinces, not the federal government.

Sound familiar? The current cannabis issue reaches the very heart of the same issue decided in 1896 in one baby step. It's on all fours.

Paramountcy: Where there is a conflict between the two, the Federal statute prevails.

Moreover, it is more than that, as unlike the sale of alcohol, the regulation of conduct within a private residence is the sine qua non of the criminal power. Given that Parliament has acted (and continues to act in relation to cannabis under the CDSA) it's beyond provincial jurisdiction to ban the home growing of it outright. What a person does in the privacy of their own residence is not the business of the state other than through the criminal law (though it might be the business of your landlord; however, the law of landlord and tenant is not constitutional law). And the criminal law in Canada is reserved exclusively to the federal government under the constitution. (There are minor provincial offences, but they may not conflict with the criminal power of Parliament. And Parliament made growing 4 plants an exception to the existing criminal law. So the feds have occupied the field.

And that will be that.

Anyways, the presumption of Quebec and Manitoba to ban homegrowing outright will die a fiery death on first contact with a Superior court - and the provinces know it.

So why are they doing it anyways? Because that way it is Trudeau's fault. Simply put: they don't care. The prohibitionists will not go down without a fight.

Depending on the poll you read, Quebec is either only just in favour of legalization or is slightly against it. When it comes to likely voters, they remain opposed as the demographics are clear that support/opposition is disproportionate among the young/older voter (and younger voters often cannot be bothered to vote). Plus, it is never a loss in Quebec to have its legislation overturned by the "bully" federal government, because Quebec.

In Manitoba, it's purely ideological opposition from the PC party in power there. The majority of the people of Manitoba support legalization (and home growing). The PCs in Manitoba don't care. Since when has public opposition ever stopped a Tory in Canada on its own?

Kudos

 

[Rocky Mtn Squid]

RMS

 

[Rider420]

SAJLMFAO Yup Canada is going where no other nation has gone before. We are legalizing Cannabis!

When your driving down a road never traveled before no one fucking knows where its going to lead to next. Exiting for adventurers like Liberals but terrifying for cowards like Conservatives who prefer to live under a rock.


FYI that cartoon is misleading Justin should be in the drivers seat smiling while the premiers cringe in fear as passengers.

 

[Rico _El_Guapo]

https://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/rss/T-2030-13%20reasons%2024-02-2016%20(ENG).pdf

Page 101 is the conclusion
This was a major turning point on this issue, for us med users.

The majority of dispensarys out west and specially on the island look like coffee shops, and there are ones that look a little shady, but nothing to be scared of.

Every dispensary I went into on vanisland and gulf islands had their business license posted, so I'm pretty sure they're all on board. Just like in Ontario where out in the county the general store has a "lcbo agency"

 

[fatigues]

FYI that cartoon is misleading Justin should be in the drivers seat smiling while the premiers cringe in fear as passengers.

Not at all. Legalization, in the sense of relaxing criminal laws, was within the federal government's control.

The unfolding clusterfuck of cannabis retailing in Quebec and Ontario is a situation when the federal government has no control or input. If it did, this wouldn't be happening - and there would be 300 more stores ready to go, just like New Brunswick already is.

When cannabis is ILLEGAL, the Feds control it; When it is LEGAL, the provinces control it. You can count on most of them to screw it up.

Trudeau and the Federal government is not behind this wheel any longer. Which is precisely why this is a mess. Wynne clearly didn't want to legalize it. Neither does Quebec.

So here we are.

 

[Rico _El_Guapo]

If you guys had any clue on how infrastructure works, you might be able to comprehend what's going on here. Stuff gets tested, samples are taken with batch numbers, etc...

Federal government is letting provincial jurisdictions prevail. Just like it's being mucked up it the states.

Certainly there are provinces that understand it, and have systems in place, and those who don't... or those who don't want it regulated... but that's none of my business

There are laws, and then us as citizens have rights. If you are a citizen with licences for certain things, or within the legal limits, what are you worried about?

 

[Buddha1]

I'm going to piss everyone off and probably kill this thread, by adapting the new attitude that 9/10 people in this world now have.

I don't care...it doesn't effect me directly, I own my own house and can grow, smoke and vap, in any room I choose... so I simply just don't care.


Peace...B.

I own my own house as well and its really sad you have no empathy for your fellow man.

BTW its easy to blame others for your own actions, just because you don't care does not mean others don't.


I'm kind of shocked at how many cannabis growers are angry old men. Poetic justice or instant karma take your pick either is right.

Have a nice day hope your as high as I.

Wow...Have you been reading this thread and paid any attention to the first 3 pages of post.
My post was angry, because I was angry and being extremely sarcastic.

In a nutshell....I started the thread to inform BC'ers of what the BC provincial government has/is setting up for provincial legalization plan(this could very well be revised...anybody's guess at this point).
Then I noticed and posted that renters can't grow without the permission of their landlord and 3 pages later after going round and round and round the same issue...I posted my angry sarcastic statement.

I'm kind of shocked at how many cannabis growers are angry old men. Poetic justice or instant karma take your pick either is right.

As for the above comment...

We are old men because we started using and growing back in the 70's(50 years ago...half a century ago) and we are angry because we have 50 years experiance under our belts and we are dismissed by the young.

Peace...B

 

[Rider420]

We are old men because we started using and growing back in the 70's(50 years ago...half a century ago) and we are angry because we have 50 years experiance under our belts and we are dismissed by the young.

Peace...B

Dismissed by the young like all young people are clones unlike people in their 70ies? Sad how our egos blinds us to what we are.

SAJLMFAO I'm 52 buddy and unlike you still enjoying life, planted my first seed in 80 and been growing under HID lights since 88. How old are you? I was 15 when I planted my first seed a little younger then most eh.

Relax smoke a joint and stop getting angry at the cannabis legalization process. Its too funny watching people both pro and con whine about how cannabis legalization is terrible.

BTW Renters have the right to smoke and grow in their apartments if they strike out the anti smoking and growing clause in the tenants agreement before signing it. Those renters who had that clause retroactively put into their tenants contract by the provincial government after they signed it will easily win in court.

 

[Rider420]

Not at all. Legalization, in the sense of relaxing criminal laws, was within the federal government's control.

The unfolding clusterfuck of cannabis retailing in Quebec and Ontario is a situation when the federal government has no control or input. If it did, this wouldn't be happening - and there would be 300 more stores ready to go, just like New Brunswick already is.

When cannabis is ILLEGAL, the Feds control it; When it is LEGAL, the provinces control it. You can count on most of them to screw it up.

Trudeau and the Federal government is not behind this wheel any longer. Which is precisely why this is a mess. Wynne clearly didn't want to legalize it. Neither does Quebec.

So here we are.

So why is Trudeau asking the preimers what do to in the cartoon? Like you said the preimers are just along for the ride and some of them are doing thier level best to fuck things up.

BTW do you really believe that cannabis should remain illegal so it stays under Federal control? Keeping in mind the next federal government could be conservatives who would then reinstate mandatory minimums for cannabis use.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Wow...Have you been reading this thread and paid any attention to the first 3 pages of post.
My post was angry, because I was angry and being extremely sarcastic.

In a nutshell....I started the thread to inform BC'ers of what the BC provincial government has/is setting up for provincial legalization plan(this could very well be revised...anybody's guess at this point).
Then I noticed and posted that renters can't grow without the permission of their landlord and 3 pages later after going round and round and round the same issue...I posted my angry sarcastic statement.



As for the above comment...

We are old men because we started using and growing back in the 70's(50 years ago...half a century ago) and we are angry because we have 50 years experiance under our belts and we are dismissed by the young.

Peace...B

My clients, mostly 55-60yrs, will move my weed for me, but Hash is their cup of tea. If they don't have any, they get pissed. Come to think of it, they're always angry. lol

 

[Buddha1]

Dismissed by the young like all young people are clones unlike people in their 70ies? Sad how our egos blinds us to what we are.

SAJLMFAO I'm 52 buddy and unlike you still enjoying life, planted my first seed in 80 and been growing under HID lights since 88. How old are you? I was 15 when I planted my first seed a little younger then most eh.

Relax smoke a joint and stop getting angry at the cannabis legalization process. Its too funny watching people both pro and con whine about how cannabis legalization is terrible.

BTW Renters have the right to smoke and grow in their apartments if they strike out the anti smoking and growing clause in the tenants agreement before signing it. Those renters who had that clause retroactively put into their tenants contract by the provincial government after they signed it will easily win in court.

And you accuse me of being angry...
Me thinks we are being trolled... lol.
Lmao...l8r Dude.

Peace...B

 

[Rider420]

And you accuse me of being angry...
Me thinks we are being trolled... lol.
Lmao...l8r Dude.

Peace...B

Sure your just another angry old man that can only see the glass as half empty. Always whining and complaining.

I'm not trolling you buddy your doing way too good of a job at that to need my help.

SAJLMFAO Smoking a joint laughing my fucking ass off.

 

[Buddha1]

Sure your just another angry old man that can only see the glass as half empty. Always whining and complaining.

I'm not trolling you buddy your doing way too good of a job at that to need my help.

SAJLMFAO Smoking a joint laughing my fucking ass off.

Give it a rest Dude... Someone didn't agree with you and they have a different opinion that you... so you get all up tight.

I'm sorry your Mommy and Daddy didn't tell you the truth about life and instead told you that you are the most perfect human on the planet, with great things to say and that anyone that doesn't agree with you are just small minded and ignorant.

But my friend the reality of it is... there are many different ideas and opinions in this life that will differ from yours and the world doesn't revolve around you.
Life is great most of the time...but sometimes life kicks you hard and usually kicks you again while your down... but you get up and push forward.
And believe it or not... those kicks effects a person, so talk to me in 10-15 years and we'll see if you still have your rose colored glasses on.

This is the last I have to say to you... rant away or go away...I really could care less. But either way I'm done with this childish out burst of yours.

Peace...B

 

[fatigues]

So why is Trudeau asking the preimers what do to in the cartoon? Like you said the preimers are just along for the ride and some of them are doing thier level best to fuck things up.

BTW do you really believe that cannabis should remain illegal so it stays under Federal control? Keeping in mind the next federal government could be conservatives who would then reinstate mandatory minimums for cannabis use.

The premiers are not "just along for the ride". They are driving the damn car. They simply didn't have a choice on WHETHER they wanted to get behind the wheel or not. The Feds forced them to. They had no choice over that. They were forced behind the wheel.

But that's the way the constitutional division of powers works in our country. Too damned bad.

Do I wish the Feds remained in control? Of course not. I'm for legalization. But the reality is, under Canada's constitution, legal weed is a matter that falls within provincial jurisdiction. Matters were different when pot was illegal and there was an exception carved out for medical marijuana. Then it was still entirely under federal control.

The practical advantage of Canopy Growth, Aurora, Asperia and other large businesses being involved in cannabis is that to re-criminalize it, you have to get by them. You have to get by their lobby, their money, their influence. You ALSO need to get by the Big Five Chartered Banks who loaned them money based on the legality of that business and the ongoing value of their security under the PPSA and the Bank Act. And the feds would ALSO have to get by the TSE stock market and the underwriters of those shares. And every pension fund and other institutional investor who put money into those shares. In short: the new government would have to get past Bay Street.

And that's not going to happen. That's not the way our world or our country works. It means that there's no real turning back, no matter who wins the next federal election or the one after that, or so on. Cannabis legalization will be beyond any political weather-vane. You can adjust some policies and direction over time -- but reverse legalization itself? Nope. Big Business and Big Banks have their uses. THAT is why I was happy to take corporate weed every day of the week. It means that legal means LEGAL. For the rest of our lives.

But when it's legal? It's for the provinces to control the trade of it. There's no avoiding that. It's just that the average guy on the street does not understand that to be the case.

There can be some broader product quality and labeling management enabled under the Federal legislation relying upon the Feds power over Health and Safety and to regulate inter-Provincial trade. So we have packaging and labeling requirements on cannabis. The Feds have also claimed to retain some jurisdiction to prohibit advertising (which is a sketchy assumption of federal jurisdiction, but so far, the Provinces aren't complaining. If they do, matters may prove to be different).

But the bottom line is that business of legal products in Canada is a business for the provinces to regulate. Yes, even when that's legal pot. Legalized pot always meant provincial control over the retailing of it. That's the way Canada works.

The unfolding retail clusterfuck is therefore ENTIRELY the fault of the provinces of Ontario and Quebec. 100%, their fault. All of it; no exceptions.

Anybody who is trying to tell you differently has no idea what they are actually talking about (although they might think they do).

 

[Switcher56]

The premiers are not "just along for the ride". They are driving the damn car. They simply didn't have a choice on WHETHER they wanted to get behind the wheel or not. The Feds forced them to. They had no choice over that. They were forced behind the wheel.

But that's the way the constitutional division of powers works in our country. Too damned bad.

Do I wish the Feds remained in control? Of course not. I'm for legalization. But the reality is, under Canada's constitution, legal weed is a matter that falls within provincial jurisdiction. Matters were different when pot was illegal and there was an exception carved out for medical marijuana. Then it was still entirely under federal control.

But when it's legal? It's for the provinces to control the trade of it. There's no avoiding that. It's just that the average guy on the street does not understand that to be the case.

There can be some broader product quality and labeling management enabled under the Federal legislation relying upon the Feds power over Health and Safety and to regulate inter-Provincial trade. So we have packaging and labeling requirements on cannabis. The Feds have also claimed to retain some jurisdiction to prohibit advertising (which is a sketchy assumption of federal jurisdiction, but so far, the Provinces aren't complaining. If they do, matters may prove to be different).

But the bottom line is that business of legal products in Canada is a business for the provinces to regulate. Yes, even when that's legal pot. Legalized pot always meant provincial control over the retailing of it. That's the way Canada works.

The unfolding retail clusterfuck is therefore ENTIRELY the fault of the provinces of Ontario and Quebec. 100%, their fault. All of it; no exceptions.

Anybody who is trying to tell you differently has no idea what they are actually talking about (although they might think they do).

Quebec doesn't surprise me in the least. They always want to be different. Then we look at Ford. I rest my case!!

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Wait until the allure of sin tax revenues infect them.

 

[Switcher56]

Wait until the allure of sin tax revenues infect them.

I don't have a dog in this fight! I have an incredible gratefulness towards the breeders (they had a mission), and they wholeheartedly should be recognized for what they have done. IMHO wrt "the guerillas" it is high time you earned an honest living! Instead of falling behind these fine pioneers. AFAIC the "guerilas" are nothing more than PROFITEERS! Now with all due respect, sex and travel.
I have nothing against the foundation of the movement, but I do have an objection of the folks that rode on their coat tails!

 

[TychoMonolyth]

And the other shoe hits the floor.

"When marijuana is fully legal in October, recreational and medical products will be taxed the same" (CBC)

 

[3snowboards]

SAJLMFAO Yup Canada is going where no other nation has gone before. We are legalizing Cannabis!

Canada population 2017
Est. 35,151,000

California population 2017
Est. 39,540,000

I think you will be okay.
Stay warm

 

[Buddha1]

Canada population 2017
Est. 35,151,000

California population 2017
Est. 39,540,000

I think you will be okay.
Stay warm

Could you please clairify your post a bit more.

Apologies...I know you are trying to say something encouraging... but I'm not getting it....

Peace...B