Everybody a breeder ?

[Tom Hill]

Yeah al-k-mist weird stumbled onto something we've been talking about for years, he doesn't get credit for that anymore than Matt does for learning genotyping through selfing, then saying "like I said before" lol.

 

[Weird]

Weird, I believe the answer you are looking for is this: Though others may argue the answer is wrong, at least it addresses the question.
The environment the selection takes place in will alter the expression of the genes slightly, but it will not alter the genes themselves. Therefore the ratio stays the same, but selection can only be made for the environment the selection takes place in. The point being made by Tom (if I may Tom) is that the selection process should not depend on the traits you see expressed, but by the ratio of desirable traits expressing in the offspring. Which means high numbers are necessary due to the logistics of that process. Indoor or outdoor, the logistics remain.

thank you very much

the best 5% in those ratios is relative to the amount of phenotypes expressed which are environmentally triggered

if they don't show and aren't going to and there is no need to preserve them how do they factor in when looking for a best of phenotype?

 

[Weird]

Yeah al-k-mist weird stumbled onto something we've been talking about for years, he doesn't get credit for that anymore than Matt does for learning genotyping through selfing, then saying "like I said before" lol.

yeah cause ive ever been in any breeder or grow thread discussion or debate before

but even better if here i am with the same observation other have made and I pulled that from my own experience then its one more piece of evidence supporting it is it not?

or are you gonna say ive been here for all these years trolling and reading and waiting for the moment when i coudl go AHHH gotcha

give me a fucking break

enough people will weed through 50 pages of you avoiding the question and come to a conclusion as to why

i have all the answers i wanted

peace

thread is all yours

 

[Tom Hill]

WHAT QUESTION????

 

[xmobotx]

Can't help noticing we have very few seedbay retailers in this thread.

i m in this discussion to learn

and am more the type to encourage people to try their own hand at doing some breeding it kind of makes more sense than buying @ $10/seed; culling males; then buying more the next time

that said there is an obviously steep learning curve if one wants to understand what they are doing

Tom what is 'SCA'

 

[Tom Hill]

I sincerely get through each one of your posts until I hit roadblock #1, that's as far as I get. You've given me no reason to read through it all, WHAT QUESTION do you have????

 

[new3]

weird you said entirely nothing the entire time your here, the general vibe i get from you is an ignorant approach that just wants to duckspeak into oblivion, well i suggest you go make some puppets and be a puppetteer and talk to yourself some other way, i myself will continue to take advice from people who put serious thought and experience toward a breeding practice that achieves a higher standard of cannabis for whatever reason/s that may be for a particular strain/family tree

 

[Tom Hill]

SCA = specific combining ability

 

[xmobotx]

i m all out of thanks

 

[Tom Hill]

Specific combining ability refers to two (lines or individuals) who combine well together, GCA (general combining ability) refers to an individual or line, that combines well with many others lines or individuals.

 

[Tom Hill]

People should be able to review the forums and see right through all the breeder art in selection bs, and cut right through the heart of the matter, and make informed decisions based on the science in front of them. They will not have that ability however, uinless they learn something about the science before their eyes.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Matt you have picked up a book or two, learned some vocabulary, but you really don't seem to have understood wtf you were reading. Instead, you went and read thoughts of folk like Nev and are now trying to meld the two together in finding some kind of knowledge you can call your own - but those two things meld together like oil and water lol. If you don't understand how to massive advantage a breeder can use reversal techniques (and you're not even close) then I am not going to walk you through it. Here's a hint, it's in the books you're learning all that vocab from, not in Nev's et al dribble.

Instead of comparing my old pure lines I maintain through open pollination, with 1:1 hybrids, you ought to just be spending your time trying to actually comprehend some of those books. Then you would have the ability to gaze out over the cannabis scene with a new eye, pick up a few publicly traded clones of exceptionally high breeding worth, and get somewhere worthwhile with some dispatch and ease instead of just sitting there spinning around in circles.

I just want to express my thanks for your preservation of some very key lines.

I already have 3 packs of Haze and I have 3 more looming on the horizon.

I will find "it".

 

[rhinoman 1]

yeah man!

 

[siftedunity]

Clear up you sentences so I can understand it first Tom. If you want sombody of my calibre to talk to you, address you comments in proper English context so I can understand the shit that comes out your mouth, please.

Your the last breeder I would ever ask breeding advice from dude you don't know anything!! I would ask English Rick advice first.


Stop trying to cover up using a lack of cohesion on your behalf, is not washing with any of the long time growers here, it only gets you wound up in knots!.

lol im kinda wondering whether your profile is a joke for your own amusement. its gotta be a joke? april 1st has been and gone man!

 

[Tom Hill]

I'm still trying to figure out what exactly weird said? Except of course that he was offended and that he doesn't understand what is being said at all....

 

[Weird]

I'm still trying to figure out what exactly weird said? Except of course that he was offended and that he doesn't understand what is being said at all....

Read the "book" Tom

Modern Genetic Analysis.
Griffiths AJF, Gelbart WM, Miller JH, et al.
New York: W. H. Freeman; 1999.


Genotypes and Phenotypic Distribution

When the same genotypes as those in Figure 18-3 are grown in carefully controlled stress environments, the result is a smaller phenotypic variation in each genotype.

Griffiths AJF, Gelbart WM, Miller JH, et al. Modern Genetic Analysis. New York: W. H. Freeman; 1999. Genotypes and Phenotypic Distribution. Available from: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21305/





Norm of reaction and phenotypic distribution

Figure 25-6

Two different environmental distributions are converted into different phenotypic distributions by two different genotypes.

Griffiths AJF, Miller JH, Suzuki DT, et al. An Introduction to Genetic Analysis. 7th edition. New York: W. H. Freeman; 2000. Norm of reaction and phenotypic distribution. Available from: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22080/

 

[Tom Hill]

Weird, I stated that in 2009, wtf? https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2727278&postcount=10 already told you it was a given, is this really the only morsel you have to hang onto? And further, what has folks "agreeing" with you? lmao!!!@

 

[Bag]

ok let me get this, different plants in different conditions = different weed ?

 

[Weird]

Weird, I stated that in 2009, wtf? Again, that's a given, is this really the only morsel you have to hang onto?

im done with the thread i just wanted to make sure everyone had access to the same research materials

peace

 

[TrichyTrichy]