No. You would have to send it to Cali, or, you could send some stems into an agricultural testing place near you and say it's tomato vine. I've heard of other people doing that. To get to the bottom of this, we need peeps to have samples tested.
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No. You would have to send it to Cali, or, you could send some stems into an agricultural testing place near you and say it's tomato vine. I've heard of other people doing that. To get to the bottom of this, we need peeps to have samples tested.
LOL I don't care either way I just want to know what's up regarding the glue/dub / dudd cuz u guys flip the script...often
Makes me wonder who's actually doing the testing because the correct samples to take are the oldest and. NeWest fully formed leaf
no one is flipping the script, all are posting there experience . as far as running 20 lights of it ? no I wouldent unless I had experience with duds, I can spot them in veg . I have had the cut longer than anyone with no duds, knock on wood, lol. when it does me like sour dub did then its gone.
deezy can you post pic's of your friends duds ? I am really hoping the test that some are talking about will find the cause of this,
also if any of you are afraid to grow it then by all means don't. don't take the risk especialy if your doing big grows dedicated to one strain. but I will be growing her till I die.
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My personal experience with dudd's is they have not all come from the same mother, aside from sour dubb and GG#4 which I personally have taken cuts from a healthy mom and had a mix of healthy plants and dudds show. I've only gotten dudd cuts from progressive options(a lot of their stuff had issues a few years back, around the time that they were mass producing sour dubb clones) and a Southwest Og cut i got from an icer in san diego, and looking back I'm thinking i had some dudd hindu skunks back in 09 that came from some family.
the issues with dudd's is that they typically have very brittle stems and petioles; which are shorter than normal. the leaves are typically smaller and always look dark green. branching is very lateral, even at the nodes closest to the tops. they generally don't drink as much or have as large of a main stem...just total lack of vigor. these are all signs that can be recognized in veg, if you don't catch it before that point and end up flowering out a dudd you are left with the same symptoms in addition to a complete lack of frost, terps, smell, etc. if you can blow on a branch and break it off you probably have a dudd.
My approach to fixing a dudd was culling it, they had already taken enough of my energy and resources, and when it's one plant out of 30 or so the best thing to do for me is to kill em and keep the strong healthy ones going...no time to be nursing back a dudd when the same energy would show up more in trying to maximize the now 29 plant room, it's just always been my take on it. I veg for 7-8 weeks before flipping the switch...if I've got something struggling after being established for that long, I feel it's safe to say that it's not gonna recover(at least in a timely manner thus justifying the culling and moving on)
I will look for some pics in my albums but I typically take shots of the pretty ladies, the dudd ladies are like backups to the b-teams b-team.
djxx- dudds are a reality, don't read these posts if it bothers you that much...when there are problems this medium is the perfect way in coming together to find solutions...debate opens a forum up to multiple perspectives, something that can be used constructively to find real applicable solutions... I for one am all about solutions.
i edited the post...it is a very important topic...sorry DJXX
THATS what I thought all the dudds came from the same place. IF anyone would have gotten dudds from the GG4 it would be me.
NO DUDDS YET
IF that were the case I would have had some dudds by now
an nope not yet knock on wood.
Whadeez, I had a long reply typed out and I closed the wrong tab....
Anyway, it all revolved around how stems lignify and how to refresh cuts. Also about why some clones take off quicker and the importance of cutting back.
In a nutshell, when you see weak growth, it's very important that you cut that growth back to the lowest shoot, and if the plant is root bound do the same to the roots. If the roots are just forming then don't cut them back and just cut the new growth right back. In almost all cases like that you will see that the new growth is much stronger.
Be very careful with nutes on any clones which are slow to develop. Revegging clones for example will curl and burn even at lower doses than their vegging counterparts.
Without seeing the pictures first hand I can't say exactly what I think, obviously. But if in future you get what you would describe as a dud, or anyone else for that matter, please drop me a pm because I'd be very interested to see how it comes around if you do some things you might not have done before.
In the meantime, crack on with your bud shots
Anyway, it all revolved around how stems lignify and how to refresh cuts. Also about why some clones take off quicker and the importance of cutting back.
In a nutshell, when you see weak growth, it's very important that you cut that growth back to the lowest shoot, and if the plant is root bound do the same to the roots. If the roots are just forming then don't cut them back and just cut the new growth right back. In almost all cases like that you will see that the new growth is much stronger.
Be very careful with nutes on any clones which are slow to develop. Revegging clones for example will curl and burn even at lower doses than their vegging counterparts.
Without seeing the pictures first hand I can't say exactly what I think, obviously. But if in future you get what you would describe as a dud, or anyone else for that matter, please drop me a pm because I'd be very interested to see how it comes around if you do some things you might not have done before.
In the meantime, crack on with your bud shots
i take cuts from all over my plants and do not have this happen from doing so. i have taken cuts from the little wispy runts underneath. while bigger healthier ones from the top take faster and take off faster into growth, once they are the same size and more or less caught up they are indistinguishable ime.
The dudding was not grower error in most cases ive seen. Shit, i grew the gg dudds the same way im growing the real ones now. In the same soil, given just ro water to veg. The old ones barely grew at all and the new ones grow like wildfire. The only other explanation would be that the gg "dudds" weren't gg at all. But for everyone who had the dudds to all have the same symptoms and whatnot just screams genetic issues and not user error. Or all of us who had the dudds must have been making the same mistake in completely diff setups and environments yielding the same bunk results. That just sounds unlikely. Now, the person who passed the dudds mixing the label up on a mom and giving out tons of cuts from her.....that seems more likely.
Is it rude or difficult to remind you guys that "dud" isn't a thing in agronomy and that there are labs that will tell you the exact problem ? And to point out that you're a shitty grower if you have a problem , the tools to figure out what it is how to fix it ...and continue to speculate on "dud" ...I almost WANT. A "dud" so I can test the tissue ...but I can't get anything to dud on me, not even gg4.
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