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[byathread]

Cool, u show a list,.or a link?
First of all What would u consider a landrace, is a introduced strain a landrace after 10 Years? Here i north scandinavia we have strains inbreed for over 50 Years. They are really stabalized and stabil for our climate.

My opinion would be that your adapted Scandinavian seeds are indeed modern landraces, and something to be preserved! As for the question of OG Kush or other modern hybrids I would say definitively NO. Why? Because they are hybrids, F1s and not IBLs. A strain can only become adapted and "native-ized" by inbreeding within it's own line for years and decades (and centuries). I appreciate all the modern stuff and variety, but I think we are doing a disservice by not breeding/selecting quality hybrids across multiple generations. I respect all breeders, but particularly those folks going to F6, F8, F10+. That's dedication, and reaps unique rewards.

 

[420empire]

agree on that statement.
Yes they are considered landrace and really nice. Bald lala, Thy crewet, heinke, tanska, Hybrids from hell, and a hella of lot more local unknow breeders. They keept some sweet grass for sure.
Even though I love heriloom, landraces, then milk, zkittles, gmo, g.crack, silverhaze, cheese,etc. are lovely too. It all about picking the right profile for your mood(I think). But yes there is a lot of polypoly today. your truely right, alot of people don´t work a line. It takes years without a big operation + if no analytic equitment for genome your playin with, the seems like a long road ! But hey out ancestors used their body as the true test.

 

[Hellablaked]

Awesome! Count me in, sounds more fun than freemasonry..

How do I get a secret decoder ring and my first dossier?


... but seriously, how can I help?

Shit seems important and doing something important is important to me.

Even growing old important imports while imbibing port in Portola portapotties..

...Sorry I'm a wee bit stoneD

 

[Zero Hedge]

this...

Thought about this over the years. What about a crowdsource approach? Small focused efforts by a handful of people could additively facilitate selection from hundreds or more.

Peace,
F2F

 

[wildcannabis]

this...

i'm so in. we're all doing it on our own anyways. everyone grab a flavor, grow it out, open pollinate sequence, make lots of seed! repeat.

 

[acespicoli]

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Am a long time user of https://gnupg.org/software/frontends.html

For private secure correspondence do you feel its necessary ?
Or not needed ?

 

[acespicoli]

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Using the Seed Exchange​

What is the Exchange?
Who can use the Exchange?
What is available on the Exchange?

What is the Exchange?​

The Exchange is a seed swap, where gardeners from around the country offer seeds they've grown ("homegrown seeds"). The Exchange is facilitated by Seed Savers Exchange, a nonprofit dedicated to preserving and sharing heirloom seeds. The organization started with the sharing of seeds within a small group of people in 1975 and has continued to expand over the last 40+ years. The Exchange you findhere is a continuation of that tradition and facilitates the sharing and preservation of seeds amongst gardeners.


The organization maintains a Seed Bank containing over 25,000 varieties at their headquarters in Decorah, Iowa. Some of the varieties from the Bank are distributed in the Exchange and 600+ varieties are made commercially available to the public in the organization's seed catalog. The revenue from the seed sales, aswell as donations and memberships, serve to maintain the organization''s collection and promote and encourage the tradition of saving and sharing seeds.

Why does it matter?​

Participants in the Exchange have saved thousands of rare heirlooms from extinction by connecting with new seed stewards to carry on seed saving traditions to the next generation. Many of the heirlooms that have entered the marketplace in recent years were shared here first, and many more heirlooms are still only found in the gardens of this community.


This grassroots seed-saving community is saving and sharing America’s gardening heritage for future generations. The more people that participate, the stronger it will be. Please join!

Who can use the Exchange?​

Anyone can browse the Exchange, but you must have an account on the Exchange to request or list seeds. Sign up here.

What is available on the Exchange and what can I list?​

Exchange community members offer thousands of homegrown, heirloom and open-pollinated seeds to other Exchange members. “Homegrown” simply means the seeds were not grown by a commercial operation. We define "heirloom" as a seed that has been passed down from generation to generation within communities and families.


All of the seeds offered by Exchange listers are open-pollinated and non-hybrid - if you grow these seeds into mature plants, the plants will produce seeds that you can harvest and plant again next year. They are also non-patented, meaning that they can be grown, saved, and shared freely. Many, but not all, of Exchange listers offer organically-grown seed.


You'll also find potato tubers, garlic bulbs, apple tree cuttings, and other non-seed material for propagating new plants within the Exchange

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Joined long ago, thought it was a worthy endeavor!
Anyone using PGP ?

 

[acespicoli]

Choosing an IRC client

There are several different ways to connect to IRC; this page gives an overview of good clients for first-time IRC users. Once you have chosen a client to use, please refer to our repository of instructions for setting up SASL, which is our preferred authentication method.

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anyone still IRC ?

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Pidgin is a universal chat client, allowing you to consolidate all your different messaging apps into a single tool.

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[acespicoli]

Anyone have knowledge they can share on this company?
Legit? https://www.socalseedvault.com

 

[acespicoli]

For pure sativa on this list anyone see anything that is worthy? - Sorted by day length.

Name of the strain	Breeder
Colombian Black	Breeder Choice Organisation	150
Pure Haze	Breeder Choice Organisation	150
Pernambuco Gold	Brazilian S.C.	150
Santa Marta Colombian	Brazilian S.C.	150
Aracaju Red	Brazilian S.C.	150
Vietnam Tourist Hemp	Green Hornet	150
Kerala Chellakutti	Khalifa Genetics	150
Acapulco Gold - Preservation	MassMedicalStrains	150
Mulanje Gold	Mount Zion Seed Cooperative	150
Double Zamal	Underground Seeds Collective	147
Oldtimer's Haze	ACE Seeds	140
Colombia Mangobiche	Cannabiogen	140
Andhra Bhang	Indian Landrace Exchange	140
Cambodia Mekong River Delta	Indian Landrace Exchange	140
Idukki Gold	Indian Landrace Exchange	140
Colombian Gold	Landrace Seeds	135
Colombia Punto Rojo	Cannabiogen	133
Nepalese	The Landrace Team	133
Green Haze	ACE Seeds	126
Purple Haze	ACE Seeds	126
Double Thai	ACE Seeds	126
Purple Haze x Panama F1	ACE Seeds	126
Purple Haze x Thai	ACE Seeds	126
Colombian Gold 72	Underground Seeds Collective	126
Mekong Haze	Delta 9 Labs	126
Kullu Valley	Khalifa Genetics	126
Santa Marta	Farmer Brown Seeds	125
Kerala Gold	Indian Landrace Exchange	124
Haze-4-Dayz	Boneyard Seeds Norcal	121
Panama Red Pure	California Connoisseur Genetics	121
Panama Red x Black Congo	California Connoisseur Genetics	121
Haze	BlueHemp Switzerland	120
Oaxacan Gold	Cryptic Labs	120
Divine Sativa	Divine Seeds	120
K1	French Touch Seeds	120
Sri Lankan Ganja	Green Hornet	120
Thai Stick	ACE Seeds	119
Green Haze x Thai	ACE Seeds	119
Assam Hash Plant	Indian Landrace Exchange	119
Suratgarh	Indian Landrace Exchange	119
Black Congo Pure	California Connoisseur Genetics	116
Mango Biche	The Landrace Team	116
Mangu Karot	French Touch Seeds	115
Mango Biche	Hisens Crew	115
Zamal Kalitè Poivré	Hybrid Department	115
Oldtimer's Pupil	MassMedicalStrains	115
2046	Medical Seeds Co	115
Green Honduras Haze	ACE Seeds	112
Purple Honduras Haze	ACE Seeds	112
Malawi Gold	Christiania Seedbank	112
Colombian Black	Gage Green Genetics	112
Colombian Gold	Gage Green Genetics	112
Kalimpong	Indian Landrace Exchange	112
Eastern Manipur-Burma	Indian Landrace Exchange	112
Black Forrest	Kingdom Organic Seeds	112
Pure Zamal	ApeOrigin	110
Piff	Brazilian S.C.	110
Highland Guerrero	Cryptic Labs	110
Mango Pepper	French Touch Seeds	110
Filipino Kibungan	Khalifa Genetics	109
Thai Hill	The Landrace Team	109
Malawi Gold	Afropips Seeds	105
Malawi Mini	Afropips Seeds	105
Durban Poison	Afropips Seeds	105
Double Jam	Underground Seeds Collective	105
Coljam	Underground Seeds Collective	105
Jamaica Blue Mountain	Cannabiogen	105
Sikul	Indian Landrace Exchange	105
Lao Luang Prabang	ACE Seeds	102
Green Haze x Malawi	ACE Seeds	102
Purple Haze x Malawi	ACE Seeds	102
Panama Haze	ACE Seeds	102
Mauritius x Ethiopian	ACE Seeds	102
Llanera	The Landrace Team	102
Gambia	The Landrace Team	102
Nepalese Jam	ACE Seeds	100
Original Haze	Authentic Genetics	100
Angola Red	Brazilian S.C.	100
Oh/OthxSativa	B Seeds Co	100
Hawaiian Haze	Cosmic Wisdom	100
Golden Haze	Dr Greenthumb	100
Willie Nelson	Gage Green Genetics	100
Mango Zamal	Mandala Seeds	100
Walkabout	Mr Nice Seedbank	100
Carmagnola	North East Hemp	100
Honduras	ACE Seeds	98
Golden Tiger	ACE Seeds	98
Golden Tiger Third Version	ACE Seeds	98
Nepal Haze	Cannabiogen	98
North Indian Red Stem	Christiania Seedbank	98
Chocolate Thai	Dutch Flowers	98
M2	Elev8 Seeds	98
The original Haze	Flying Dutchmen	98
Green House Thai	Green House Seeds	98
Laos Muang Sing	Khalifa Genetics	98
Idukki	The Landrace Team	98

For our purposes here what should be removed ?
Maybe all the hybrids keeping only single source no mixed location strains?
Will keep seeds listed from defunct sellers in hopes someone saved old packs
Anything missing ???

 

[acespicoli]

Name of the strain	Breeder	Days Flo
Alien Technology	Obsoul33t Genetics	?
Chem 91 x Talk of Kabul	Bodhi Seeds	?
Chitrali #1	Breeder Choice Organisation	?
Golden Triangle Akha	The Real S.C.	?
Lashkar Gah	Unknown or Legendary	?
Mazar I Sharif	Seedsman	?
Oregon Afghani	Clone Only Strains	?
Original Afghani No1	Growers Choice	?
SoCal Master Kush x Uzbekistani Hashplant	Bodhi Seeds	?
Iranian Early Flower BX2	Oregon Green Seed	41
Lebanese	BlueHemp Switzerland	43
Landrace Afghanistan	Cartel Seeds	45
Chuck Berry	Apothecary Genetics	46
Original Afghani #1	Aficionado Seed Bank	46
Original Afghani #1	Seedsman	46
Cosmic Afghani	Cosmic Wisdom	49
Hash Passion	Seedsman	49
Lolab Valley	Indian Landrace Exchange	49
Enemy of the State	HY-PRO Seeds	50
Kabul Fast	Divine Seeds	50
Afghan Mother	Paul N Chuck Seeds	53
Hash Star	GreenLabel Seeds	53
Master Kush	Elev8 Seeds	53
Pure Afghan	DNA Genetics Seeds	53
Turkish Landrace	Underground Seeds Collective	53
Purple Kush	Huba Seed Bank	54
Agha Black (Maruf Black) Preservation	Red Scare S.C.	55
Agha Red (Maruf Black) Preservation	Red Scare S.C.	55
Kashmiri Sirnoo	Old World Organics	55
Afghan Kush +	BSB Genetics	56
Afghanica	Anesia Seeds	56
Afghanistan Hashplant	Annibale Genetics	56
Combat Cookies	2 Guns and a Guy S.C.	56
Freak Chunk Deep Chunk	The Real S.C.	56
Mazar I Sharif	Red Scare S.C.	56
Mazar-i-Sharif	ACE Seeds	56
Northern Legend	Aztech Genetics	56
VerryBerry Kush	Nasty Nugz Seed Co	56
Alien Technology	Seeds66	58
Afghan	Spliff Seeds	60
Black Afghani	Underground Seeds Collective	60
GG Allin	Southern Star Seeds	60
Pakistan Chitral Kush	ACE Seeds	60
Pakistani Hash Plant	Aficionado Seed Bank	60
Permanent Profile	GI Genetix	60
Purple Kush '68 IBL	Primordial Beanz	60
Quebec Pluton	Hash Hands Co	60
Taskenti	Cannabiogen	60
Uzbekistan Hash Plant	Nomad Seed Bank	60
War Trophy	2 Guns and a Guy S.C.	60
Zenaks	Koalatea Genetics	60
Azad Kashmir	Red Scare S.C.	63
Cider Kush (X18)	The Real S.C.	63
Hindu Kush	Indian Landrace Exchange	63
Kabul	Divine Seeds	63
Mazar i-Shariff x Mazar i-Shariff	New420Guy Seeds	63
Mr. E	MassMedicalStrains	63
The Kali	Big Buddha Seeds	63
Yumbolt	CBD Seeds	63
Zanjeer	Indian Landrace Exchange	63
Hawaiian Duckfoot	Pua Mana Pakalolo	64
AfghAlien	Sunleaf Seed Co	65
Shambhala Kush	Trichome Jungle Seeds	65
Maruf Kandahar	Indian Landrace Exchange	66
Baharak	Afghan Selection	67
Balkh	Afghan Selection	67
Chimtal	Afghan Selection	67
Kholm	Afghan Selection	67
Mazar-i-Sharif	Afghan Selection	67
Mazari Landrace	Indian Landrace Exchange	67
Sheberghan	Afghan Selection	67
Afghan Lemon	Khalifa Genetics	70
Balkh Hashplant	Khalifa Genetics	70
Ghazni	The Real S.C.	70
Iranian	The Real S.C.	70
Maruf Black	Tonygreens Tortured Beans	70
Purple Dasht	ACE Seeds	70
Purple Dashti	Indian Landrace Exchange	70
Sheberghan Hashplant	Khalifa Genetics	70
Balochistan Black Tiger	Indian Landrace Exchange	77
Manar Ghazni	Indian Landrace Exchange	77
Arghandab II Kandahar	Indian Landrace Exchange	84
Pre Soviet Afghani	Farmer Brown Seeds	90
Balochistan Quetta Purple Selection #1	Indian Landrace Exchange	98
Balochistan Quetta Purple Selection #2	Indian Landrace Exchange	98

For pure indica on this list anyone see anything that is worthy? - Sorted by day length.

For our purposes here what should be removed ?
Maybe all the hybrids keeping only single source no mixed location strains?
Will keep seeds listed from defunct sellers in hopes someone saved old packs
Anything missing ???

Pakistan Selections / Direct Descendents			Afghani Direct Descendents		Hindu Kush Direct Descendents			few rare others
Azad Kashmir » Pakistan - Indica Azad Kashmir			Afghan Cherries » Afghani		Afgan Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica Afghanistan			Karakoram Kush Karakoram - Indica Hopar Valley Karakoram - Indica Gilgit-Baltistan Hunza Valley Karakoram - Indica Gilgit-Baltistan
Balochistan Black Tiger » Pakistan - Indica Mastung, Balochistan			Afghan Hash Plant » Afghani x Afghani		Afgan Kush Special » Afgan Kush x Afgan Kush Mutant			Ata Tundra Alaska x Kazakhstan - Indica Ata Tundra USA, Alaska x Kazakhstan - Indica
Balochistan Quetta Purple Selection Nr1 » Pakistan - Indica Quetta, Balochistan F1			Afghan Helmand » Afghani Helmand		Afghan Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica			Ouzbekistan » Uzbekistan - Indica F12
Balochistan Quetta Purple Selection Nr2 » Pakistan - Indica Quetta, Balochistan			Afghan Mother » Afghani		Afghan Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica Afghanistan			Uzbekistan » Uzbekistan - Indica
Chitral » Pakistan - Indica			Afghani » Afghani		Afghan Kush Early Harvest » Afghan Kush fast version			Uzbekistan Hash Plant » Uzbekistan IBL
Chitrali Nr1 » Pakistan - Indica IBL			Afghani Bullrider » Afghani		Afghan Kush Plus » Hindu Kush - Indica
Cider Kush X18 » X18 x X18			Afghani Heirloom » Afghani S1		Afghani Hindu Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica x Hindu Kush - Indica
Citral » Pakistan - Indica Probably Indica			Afghani Nr1 » Afghani		Afghani Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
Citral » Citral			Afkansastan » Afghani		Baghlan Hashplant » Hindu Kush - Indica Baghlan province
Djinns Gift » Pakistan - Indica IBL			Apex Dominus » Afghani		Baghlan Hindu » Hindu Kush - Indica Baghlan province
Gilgit Valley » Pakistan - Indica			Aurora Borealis » Northern Lights		Baharak » Hindu Kush - Indica Badakhshan province
Jhelum Basin » Pakistan - Indica Neelum district			BC Mango » Afghani		Blackout Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
NW Balochistan Nr4 » Pakistan - Indica			Bomb » Afghani F1		Ceres Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
Old Man Purps » Chitral Kush Purple Pheno			Cherry Queen » Afghani Fat Cherry Afghani x Afghani Old Mother Ghani		Cherry Jam » Tuna Kush x Tuna Kush S1
Pakistan Chitral » Pakistan Chitral			Clementine » Afghani x Afghani		Chitrali » Hindu Kush - Indica Chitral
Pakistan Chitral Kush » Pakistan - Indica Chitral			Cosmic Afghani » Afghani		Dynamis » Hindu Kush - Indica selection probably
Pakistan Chitral Kush » Pakistan Chitral Kush			Desert Storm » Afghani x Afghani		Frosty Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica x Hindu Kush - Indica
Pakistani Hash Plant » Pakistan - Indica			Double G » Afghani		Ghazni » Hindu Kush - Indica Ghazni province
Pakistani Hash Plant » Pakistan - Indica			Hybrid X » Northern Lights non-smelly pheno		Golden Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica probably
Pakistani Hash Plant » Pakistan - Indica Probably Indica			Indian » Northern Lights		Gordo Master Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
Pine Tar Kush » Pakistan - Indica IBL			Kandahar Black » Afghani Kandahar		Hindu Dream » Hindu Kush - Indica
Pine Tar Kush » Pine Tar Kush			Kush 4 » Afghani		Hindu Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
Purple Dasht » Purple Dasht			La Cucaracha » Afghani		Hindu Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
Purple Dashti » Pakistan - Indica Quetta Baluchistan			Landrace Afghanistan » Afghani		Hindu Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
Purple Kush » Pakistan Chitral Kush x Pakistan Chitral Kush			Lashkar Gah » Afghani Helmand		Hindu Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
Purple Pakistan Chitral » Pakistan Chitral Kush Selection			Lucky Bubble » Afghani IBL		Hindu Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica India F1
Purple Pakistani Chitral » Pakistan - Indica IBL			Mazar » Afghani Mazar-i-Sharif		Hindu Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
Purple Pakistani Chitral » Pakistan Chitral Kush x Pakistan Chitral Kush			Moonlight » Northern Lights		Hindu Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica Probably Indica
TNT Kush » Pakistan - Indica			Mud Bight Delight » Afghani Ketchikan, Alaska		Hindu Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
X18 » Pakistan - Indica			Pre Soviet Afghani » Afghani Chimtal district x Afghani Chimtal district		Hindu Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica Tajikistan
X18 Pure Pakistani » X18			Procrasta » Afghani x Afghani F2		Hindu Kush Heirloom » Hindu Kush - Indica x Hindu Kush - Indica
			Purest Indica » Afghani		Hindu Kush x Hindu Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
			Purest Indica IBL » Purest Indica x Purest Indica		Jager » Hindu Kush - Indica probably
			Purple Afghani Kush » Afghani S1		Jager » Jager x Jager S1
			Road Kill Skunk » Afghani probably		Jahkirevi Kush » Unknown Cali Kush probably
			Road Kill Skunk » Road Kill Skunk		Ketama Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
			Spanish Nights » Northern Lights Selection		Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica Probably Indica
			Sterling Green Skunk » RKS Xochipilli Sterling Green x RKS Xochipilli Sterling Green		Kush Rau300 » Hindu Kush - Indica
			War Trophy » Afghani Purple pheno x Afghani Purple pheno IBL		Kush del arriero » Hindu Kush - Indica
					LA Pure Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica Probably
					LA Pure Kush F2 » LA Pure Kush F1 x LA Pure Kush F1 F2
					Lemon Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
					Master Kush » Master Kush probably
					Master Kush » Masterkush
					Masterkush » Hindu Kush - Indica x Hindu Kush - Indica
					Masterkush » Masterkush
					Mature Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
					Michigan Sweet Pine » Hindu Kush - Indica x Hindu Kush - Indica F2
					Mountain Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
					Narkush » Hindu Kush - Indica x Hindu Kush - Indica F1
					NineTails » Hindu Kush - Indica 80's
					Oregon Raspberry » Hindu Kush - Indica probably
					Pakistan Valley » Hindu Kush - Indica
					Pink Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
					Post Traumatic Purple » Hindu Kush - Indica
					Pure Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
					Pure Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica Probably
					Purple Skunk » Hindu Kush - Indica IBL
					Shivas Cheeba » Hindu Kush - Indica
					Sinister Kush » Unknown Kush Probably
					SoCal Master Kush » Masterkush Selection
					Sweet Valley Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica
					Topanga Pure Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica x Hindu Kush - Indica probably
					Tuna Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica x Hindu Kush - Indica
					Tuna Kush » Hindu Kush - Indica x Hindu Kush - Indica
					Zmoothiez Zignature » Hindu Kush - Indica IBL

 

[Zero Hedge]

Now that's a strain list!
I'm not sure what you're asking... what is worthy for you, for me, for us? I'm interested in the Zamals, the Zamal Kalitè Poivré looks killer. The French Touch offering are intersting. Someone gave me the K1 that they repro'ed, but I've not grown them yet. I'm growing a Mulanje Gold right now so I can't say what I think yet. And then, what's the criteria for removing them?
but man, this list is really sweet

 

[mexcurandero420]

Which IBL landrace strains from Africa do you have in the collection? I have travelled across East African countries collecting a variety of potent landrace sativas such as Ethiopian Shashamane Sativa and Kilimanjaro sativa from northern Tanzania. You can see them on my blog - eastafricagenes

Here's a photo of an eight-week old Ethiopian Shashamane sativa plant that I'm hoping to harvest in mid-September

Smoked that.Was really nice.

 

[Kidete]

Smoked that.Was really nice.

View attachment 18893594

Thanks for the shout out. It's Mike from East Africa Genes

 

[F2F]

Hiya @acespicoli,

the green hornet “Vietnamese tourist hemp”…is that the original Vietnamese black? If yes, would be a REAL gem.

Peace,
F2F

 

[acespicoli]

Hiya @acespicoli,

the green hornet “Vietnamese tourist hemp”…is that the original Vietnamese black? If yes, would be a REAL gem.

Peace,
F2F

They may be different, I will ask Charles what he knows about it and maybe he can add to the description. Either one both great real gems yes!

 

[goingrey]

Hiya @acespicoli,

the green hornet “Vietnamese tourist hemp”…is that the original Vietnamese black? If yes, would be a REAL gem.

Peace,
F2F

The other day I clicked on one of the banner ads here on ICMag, North Coast Genetics, and noticed they have VB.

Vietnamese Black - North Coast Genetics

Sold in packages of 5/10 regular seeds

northcoastgenetics.com

 

[F2F]

The other day I clicked on one of the banner ads here on ICMag, North Coast Genetics, and noticed they have VB.

Vietnamese Black - North Coast Genetics

Sold in packages of 5/10 regular seeds

northcoastgenetics.com

Interesting find @goingrey, devils in the details wonder the origins of that offering.

I’ve only grown crosses so don’t know what they should really look like. What I’ve seen on IG seems much much more NLD than that full flower pic. Who knows…

Peace
F2F

 

[acespicoli]

They may be different, I will ask Charles what he knows about it and maybe he can add to the description. Either one both great real gems yes!

Nam Black is a sativa variety from Dutch Flowers and can be cultivated indoors (where the plants will need a flowering time of ±70 days) and outdoors. Dutch Flowers' Nam Black is a THC dominant variety and is/was never available as feminized seeds.

Dutch Flowers' Nam Black Description​

I had the good fortune to get some VietNamese (aka Nam Black) seeds to grow out. These babies are pure SATIVA:
Seeds were soaked in H20 overnight. Most sprouted in 24 hours. 100% germination. Put in Organic Soil under 120 watts fluros. Vegged 5 weeks. Very distinct LONG Sativa leaves, Lime Green color. Plants develop into drooping umbrella form. Under HID's, plants STRETCH! Mine ended up at 2 1/2 - 3 1/2' in 3 gallon pots. Very branchy. Two phenotypes: One taller, leafier, more branching; the other shorter but heavier flowering, especially on the main stem. Fluffy white pistils. Plants start "putting on the weight" after 5 weeks. Final time 9 - 11 weeks.
Final product is "old time Sativa". Fruity Mango flavor. High is super Trippy Sativa like weed from the 70's. High can bring on paranoia, racing heart beat and hallucinations for those not used to it. Not for light weight smokers!!!!! This stuff is EXACTLY what I remember was around during the 70"s. You can almost hear the whoomp-whoomp of the Nam choppers. A great outdoors "Summer Day smoke". Just don't smoke it before your landlord or Mom comes by.... Hehehhehehe....
A 10 in my book! Sensi

These were from AF who asked me to test em.
These babies ARE NOT your typical Seed Bank seeds. They're pure Sativa, so they need tons of light, and patience. HOWEVER... for those willing to wait the 10 or so weeks, or have access to outdoor fields, its the real thing.
Indoors during the last few weeks you really need to use an extra fan, cause these babies will suck up water! You aint gonna over water these girls - they just pass it thru their huge Sativa leaves. Genetics for the Mecong Delta...
The high is exactly like the stuff I remember from the mid 70's. I recall some "body bag" weed (don't ask)that had a similar high: every puff took ya to another level, and there was this hum or buzz sound-noise in your head! Best smoked with a good friend at your side, if ya know what I mean. Odds are maybe one of you won't freak, hehehhe...
Yup, right up there with the old Columbian, Thai, and Panama stuff.
If you're into SCROG, these are it - very branchy and a million bud sites. Sensi

Nam F1 (Vietnamese sativa hybrid, aka Vietnam Black, aka NAM weed) -Original F1 cross: -Male Northern Vietnam/China Boarder (indica influence) -Female Southern Vietnam outskirts of Saigon (truebreeding pure Sativa NAM) Breeder's description: Originating from Vietnamese genetics brought back to North America in 77, she's an extremely potent exotic sativa. NOT RECOMMENDED FOR MEDICIAL USERS: usually resulting in shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, raised blood pressure, leans towards paranoia. Her sweet tropical ripe mango scent and sickly sweet taste will speak for itself. Vigorous strong brancher and top heavy - support recommended. A very heavy yield compensates for a longer flowering period. Indoor Specs: Flowering time: 9+ weeks, Height 150 cm, Yield: 1+ gm/watt Original Auction Description

here's my experience with the Nam:
Can you find good Mom's from 10 seeds? Most definitely! I had 10 for 10 germ, and btw, it was definitely one of the fastest germinating strains I've run across in years.
I ended up with 6 females, 4 males. Of the 6 females, I kept 3 with the best flowering characteristics, due to space limitations.
There are 2 phenotypes: One produces more bud sites early on, close to the main stem, and is less leafy. The other is leafier, more branchy, but produces bigger buds later on, particularly from side shoots. Either one is most suited to scrog - there's lots of stretching and branching. ( I went bush style route to "test' the strain, and they ended up stretching 4x initial 12/12 height!) I have one Mom that probably could have filled a small screen all by itself! (May have pics soon...) This is a low odor strain: little odor early on, later during heavy flowering a very subdued Mango odor. Being an almost pure Sativa, don't expect heavy "frost trichomes", but dont let that fool ya - this baby builds up the thc levels. High is rocket up, visual trippy. Takes a bit to "get yer bearings" if you're not used to Sat highs, hehehehe.. I would suggest a minimum of 400 as it likes to just keep on stretching and making more and more buds, so light penetration is the thing. Like I said, the perfect Scrog plant. Fert requirement is nominal, I would suggest more N early on and back off the N later on to keep the stretch down. This is a 10 to 12 week plant, so don't be choppin her down at 50 days! Sensi

Questions on Nam Black:

1. How uniform is it? How are the odds of getting a really nice mom (and dad) out of 10 ?

2. What planting density do you recommend in scrog for this plant. The plant in the pics covered how much space when flowered with no veg time in the chamber? I'm trying to get a feel for the timing/density with this strain for the set-up AF is building right now (2'wx4'lx4'h cabinet, 400hps on a linear mover, water-cooled light).

3. How strong is the odor? Anything in particular to be aware of? Any unusual nute preferences?

Short version:

1. very uniform. 4 to 6 females from 10.
2. 3 plants/ft2, 7.8 ft2, easy to time flush.
3. strong pungent, but easily manageable. Impatience = beware.

Long version:

1. She's very uniform in regards to potency, height, leaf structure, bud structure, and most general flowering givens with a rare exception. The main difference in phenotypes I've noticed from the norm are the odd "nothing but bud" single donkey dick like individuals, usually identified by the short, somewhat squat and bushy veg appearance (SOG) nearly butt naked when fully mature. Of the 10 from the above picture, 6 were males, 4 were females. Of the 4 females, 3 were very identical in appearance and in performance (ie.. strong branching, uniform tight internodal spacing, tall, water guzzling vigorous growth,) all great flowering prospects. I've made the effort to clone and keep all 3 mums as new additions in the veg room, for future cloning. The remaining female is the odd "nothing but bud" pheno, which btw, is looking really nice even scrogged right now. I'll try to post a picture of this pheno so you can easily spot it, as soon as reasonably possible. The fathers were all very uniform, though I didn't spend enough time with the males to able to give you a fair and more in depth description. So, to answer your question, ... even with my bad luck, I've managed to secure 3 outstanding ScrOG mums, even faced in a low fem ratio predicament. You should end up with 4-6 uniform mothers to painfully choose from, out of 10.....

2. Given a standard basic flat horizontal scrog, with the screen set 12" above the medium : 3 plants per ft2 works well, done only with MATURE clones. The ones in the pics covered 100% of the available 7.8 ft2 canopy planted at a density of 3 plants per ft2, with absolutely NO veg time in the chamber (done with 6" single topped clones). The buds ranged from 2-18 inches long with the average bud measuring between 8-12 inches long. The larger the plant at induction, the more likely you'll get away with using fewer plants, i.e.... additional veg time. Your friend may want to take into consideration the ventilation requirements which may present themselves amist growing in such a dense bud canopy. His 4x2 space gives the perfect opportunity to slide out the centre 24" module which leaves just enough space to confortably train inside the cabinet, a great opportunity to save work and training time, and of course, taking advantage of vertical screens ect...Done properly, your friend's 400W water cooled light should produce an abundance of outstanding buds on the heavy side. Timing should be easy with an overcrowded excessive amount of shoots "that you have to clip away!" that should begin to rise when they begin to bulk in the 6th week. The mimum reccommended finishing time is 9-10 weeks.

3. The scent is very strong, but not enough to worry about. I've found that all will exhibit this trait fairly well, though I wouldn't say the smell isn't as overly intense like many of the "skunk" varieties avail. Nothing to lose sleep over. But, be aware of premature flowering (12/12 induction "pre"- alternating phyllotaxy ), which is EASIEST trigger for hermaphrodism. NEVER induce flowering until alternating phyllotaxy. Can seem forever on a near pure sativa, .... but a mistake unfortunately made by many, myself included. Further veg time followed by re-flowering always proves that the trigger is environmental rather than genetic, at least with this strain. As for nutes, I feel it's one of the most vigorous plant I've ever grown, very hardy and forgiving. It's done well in the past using dirt bio, dirt chem, dirtless hydro, and looks very promising in DWC hydro and DWC aquaponics "so far" (even for a hydro-illiterate, like me) LOL. You should easily excell my efforts with your hydro experience I feel that most ppl will consider her a waterhog, and hardy and tolerant (nominal req's for survival, at the same time it handles force feeding well). Overall, an easy plant to grow and evolved, well,... ideally for scrog.... Ultimate

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Donated by Anonymous (check Private Breeders Stock) Heritage: ---------- Nam F1 (Vietnamese sativa hybrid, aka Vietnam Black, aka NAMweed) -Original F1 cross: -Male Northern Vietnam/China Boarder (indica influence) -Female Southern Vietnam outskirts of Saigon (truebreeding pure Sativa NAM) Breeder's description: --------------------- Originating from Vietnamese genetics brought back to North America in 77, she's an extremely potent exotic sativa. NOT RECOMMENDED FOR MEDICIAL USERS: usually resulting in shortness of breath,
difficulty breathing, raised blood pressure, leans towards paranoia. Her sweet tropical ripe mango scent and sickly sweet taste will speak for itself. Vigorous strong brancher and top heavy - support recommended. A very heavy yield compensates for a longer flowering period. Indoor
Specs: Flowering time: 9+ weeks, Height 150 cm, Yield: 1+ gm/watt

Indoors, these can finish faster and can be tricked. Outdoors in Northern Humboldt with straight VB out near Redding area. The record so far is 12lbs. That's good buds in 100gal grow bags, custom soil and done Sept-Oct. and that's taken to full term. Smoke this stuff and hang on for the trippy ride.

From Billygoat

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[Thcvhunter]

Much love, spicoli. This is very much needed as these days we are seeing a genetic genocide from these large farms popping thousands of seeds and only selecting a few keepers for production and to pollinate hype cuts, with no real preservation

Things I haven't been seeing around lately are:
Cabecca De Negra
Mauritius
Angola
Ghana
Gambia
Senegal
Zambian
Ecuadorian
Aruba
Gypsy Thai Stick
Red Thai (RSC)
Gypsy Zamal


I would vote for Green Hornet, Afropips, CBG, USC, Cryptic, Blue Hemp, and French Touch as sources of the purest and rarest landrace genetics and as such take priority. But thats just me.
Impressive list.