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Cheap Nutrient Line for Commercial and Home Grows?
- Thread starter BillFarthing
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xet
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Here is what I use, http://www.austinwhitelime.net/products.html
That 50lb bag was $3.00 only 2 years ago, almost $30.00 today because of this excellent never been better before economy
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mountainfarmer1
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Bill, I picked up some Albion Metalosate. I know you said to add 1 gram per gallon during transition. How much epsom should be added with the extra calcium? I’m in coco, Feeding masterblend, calnit and epsom at 2/2/1 grams per gallon. I’m lighting with LED’s and and using co2. Thanks in advance.When I am consulting, I get asked for a complete but cheap nutrient lineup that is suitable for commercial usage. This lineup can also be scaled for the home grower to save some serious cash.
You start with a salt base nutrient. Jack's classic hydro, Masterblend, Jack's Nutrients TAP or Growmore soluble powders also work depending on your access.
Jack’s Hydro Feed- 25 lb bag
$70- 2000 gallons
$0.035/gallon
Add your biostimulant. Mr. Fulvic is the home and garden version and has fulvic, amino and organic acids, chelated micros and trace elements. AGT-50 is the commercial wholesale version. They both help make nutrients available regardless of pH and give salts organic taste and smell.
AGT-50- 20L
$460- 20,000 gallons
$0.023/gallon
Extra calcium is needed at transition. Growmore Flowering Cal-Mag also has kelp to help stack nodes going into flower. Albion metalosate and epsom salt can also be used.
Growmore flowering cal-mag- 2.5 gal
$90- 1900 gallons
$0.047/gallon
PH down is pH control, but also adds soluble phosphorus when something like HydroFeed is low in Phosphorus.
Advanced pH down- 4L
$82- 6600 gallons
$0.01/gallon
For IPM, insecticidal soap will take care of bugs and mold.
DES-X Insecticidal Soap- 2.5 g
$85- 300 gallons (@1%)
$0.28.3/gal.
For a bloom booster, Monopotassium phosphate used weeks 4-6 of flower.
Haifa MKP- 4 lb
$20- 1820 gallons
$0.01/gallon
This is a complete lineup including IPM. It can be used large or small. There's no reason to spend a ton of money on fertilizer for excellent quality cannabis.
A stock solution calnit 1.5kg to 10ltr of water to make a base solution to be diluted
B stock solution bloom 2kg to 10ltr of water to make a base solution to be diluted
Supplements similar
something like that, a little experimentation, suggest supplement are not mixed with B stock for greater control.
Phosphorous. will drop ph in the irrigation tank, so this can be ph up or add liquid silicon to up ph.
enjoy
B stock solution bloom 2kg to 10ltr of water to make a base solution to be diluted
Supplements similar
something like that, a little experimentation, suggest supplement are not mixed with B stock for greater control.
Phosphorous. will drop ph in the irrigation tank, so this can be ph up or add liquid silicon to up ph.
enjoy
Three Berries
Active member
Is that liquid silicone Potassium Silicate?
Now that Athena has been pushing their new “fade” product, which is calcium chloride+micros, it got me thinking could we just drop the calnit it the last couple weeks of flower and substitute it for calcium chloride and use something like STEM or MOST for the micros? Or are there already enough micros in Mr fulvic?
Finish with molasses or homemade sugar/maple syrup diluted base, have to watch the tank though as the sugars can create a perfect breeding ground in a recirculating irrigation system, to counters this you can use hydrogen peroxide to keep this in check.
If you want to use a calcium product you could use cal mag finisher with high K this is commercial salt and cheap, again you would need to make a base stock of 1kg to 10ltrs of water and then dilute it for irrigation.
When making your own base stock you normally only need 1ml or less to be mixed with 1 ltr of water to feed as you are not paying for packaging etc. Hope that makes some sense.
If you want to use a calcium product you could use cal mag finisher with high K this is commercial salt and cheap, again you would need to make a base stock of 1kg to 10ltrs of water and then dilute it for irrigation.
When making your own base stock you normally only need 1ml or less to be mixed with 1 ltr of water to feed as you are not paying for packaging etc. Hope that makes some sense.
indocult
Active member
Is this actually useful though? I have tried side by side molasses and no molasses for first week of flush, noticed no discernable difference. I know a lot of hydro store products are molasses and water... but why, what does it do that justifies adding sugars to thin hydro lines?
indocult
Active member
Search for cannastats nutrient calculator, look for an angelfire website result, click on it and scroll to the bottom.
sportyridr
New member
try here, this is what most folks use I think
Legalcdn
Well-known member
Nute calculator. Post #194
Understanding and Calculating Nutrient PPM
For the ideal ratios. Is that for throughout the whole cycle or for veg? I've seen people say go 0-3-2 for late flower. So if I'm using GH Flora series should I not use micro/gro since it has nitrogen? What do you do for late flower?
www.rollitup.org
jackspratt61
Active member
Supplies energy to roots once plant slows sending energy to the roots and focuses on flower. Not sure a good idea in supply lines
Tomatoesonly
Active member
I thought this kind of stuff had been driven out by education. Sugars exists in a nutrient for one reason, to feed microbes. That's IT. The plant can't do anything what so ever with sugars.
Plus it has to be introduced when it matters that you have a flourishing microbe population.
Next topic, how to drain THC out of the roots with gravity....
Three Berries
Active member
But but but have you ever tasted raw sugar maple sap in the spring???????
Something like this, not quite the same, but still that's the idea
bionovanutrients.com
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indocult
Active member
I was certain it had been, wasn't sure if there was some crazy new study I hadn't heard of. So completely useless unless using living soil.
goingrey
Well-known member
Sugar maybe but molasses has a lot more than just sugar. A lot of K for example. Still wouldn't personally use it in hydro.
wandering81
Member
you need WAY more magnesium under leds. 1 gram of epsom salts is 26ppm magnesium. i aim for 80-90 in masterblend which is 2.5g epsom AND 1g Magnesium nitrate during veg. 3.5g epsom in flower,, thats just my setup brother
